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RE: ULL thread
(03-06-2017 12:05 PM)Eagle9 Wrote:  Traditionally in baseball, sidearm and submarine pitchers just don't start. Mostly they are seen as groundball pitchers to come in and get a few outs and get out of a jam. That's partly it and I think another reason is because he weighs about 160. Might be hard to hold up over 5 or 6 innings.

Also, maybe Berry just feels Sandlin is more valuable in the pen ?? He can bring him in whenever he wants for multiple innings. If we move him to being a starter, that makes us really thin in the late innings, when the game matters most.


I think the reasons in your first paragraph are more so why Sandlin won't get a look as a starter. For sidearmers/submariners, much of their success is due to their deceptive deliveries to guys on the same side of the plate. (Obviously, Sandlin has nasty stuff too). More than other pitchers, their effectiveness tends to go down as hitters get more looks at their delivery. That is even more of a danger with hitters from the other side of the plate, as the sidearm/submarine delivery is easier to pick up (which is why you rarely see lefty submariners). And yeah...Sandlin is probably too small to handle the wear and tear, especially since sidearm is harder to generate velocity to begin with.

It is going to be interesting to see how Sandlin is used this season and how that affects things in other games. This week was probably how we should use him (though, I doubt you'll see him throw 88 pitches in a week frequently). Using him more in non-save situations probably means that we will have several games where he cannot finish a game (e.g. yesterday) and will need a middle reliever to end it.
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Congratulations guys, I hope we can continue this series in the future. I know we have two midweek games scheduled for next year, but I've always enjoyed the home/home weekend series as I think both parks are great fan situations. If you haven't been to Lafayette, I would recommend it as any future dates will have the stadium completed.
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RE: ULL thread
(03-06-2017 06:20 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  Congratulations guys, I hope we can continue this series in the future. I know we have two midweek games scheduled for next year, but I've always enjoyed the home/home weekend series as I think both parks are great fan situations. If you haven't been to Lafayette, I would recommend it as any future dates will have the stadium completed.

Thanks. I busted y'all's balls some in this thread but I post stupid crap when I'm pissed (Friday, Saturday, and much of Sunday).

15,000+ is incredible for a weekend series. Very impressive. We got close to 13k awhile back against Rice but that was it (we do open up with MSU next year, so that could draw around 17-18k). As far as I'm concerned, the USM and Cajun fanbases are the best in college baseball among the non-P5.
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The amount of stupidity and lack of baseball knowledge in this thread is embarrassing and funny.

I am entertained.
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(03-06-2017 08:35 PM)tg300 Wrote:  The amount of stupidity and lack of baseball knowledge in this thread is embarrassing and funny.

I am entertained.

Examples?
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(03-06-2017 08:53 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 08:35 PM)tg300 Wrote:  The amount of stupidity and lack of baseball knowledge in this thread is embarrassing and funny.

I am entertained.

Examples?

Don't care to read it again. I read it all at once, not in real time. Don't know or care if any is attributed to you.

I am entertained. That is all that matters.

Carry on.
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(03-06-2017 09:00 PM)tg300 Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 08:53 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 08:35 PM)tg300 Wrote:  The amount of stupidity and lack of baseball knowledge in this thread is embarrassing and funny.

I am entertained.

Examples?

Don't care to read it again. I read it all at once, not in real time. Don't know or care if any is attributed to you.

I am entertained. That is all that matters.

Carry on.

Cool. Would enjoy some of your insight if you know everything there is to know about baseball.
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(03-06-2017 09:14 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 09:00 PM)tg300 Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 08:53 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 08:35 PM)tg300 Wrote:  The amount of stupidity and lack of baseball knowledge in this thread is embarrassing and funny.

I am entertained.

Examples?

Don't care to read it again. I read it all at once, not in real time. Don't know or care if any is attributed to you.

I am entertained. That is all that matters.

Carry on.

Well then. Would enjoy some of your insight if you know everything there is to know about baseball.

Don't know everything. Far from it. The argument for starting Sandlin is an 'example.' Can't happen. Never. Ever. Period. End of sentence. Would be hell of some extenuating circumstances to consider it.

Watch the games. Some of these kids have the stuff. Some don't. Some have the mentality. Some don't. Those groups overlap. There are always those with the stuff who can't make it. There are always those who don't have it who will their way. The staff has to figure these things out. I have my opinions, but opinions are like assh**es, everybody has one.

And I am probably the as**ole. I don't care. I read stupid crap. I laugh. I am entertained. The board has performed it's function. I am at every home game and some road games. Come have a beer. Wear your earplugs.
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Oh yeah, definitely in agreement. Feels he's far more effective out of the pen.
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(03-06-2017 09:33 PM)tg300 Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 09:14 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 09:00 PM)tg300 Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 08:53 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 08:35 PM)tg300 Wrote:  The amount of stupidity and lack of baseball knowledge in this thread is embarrassing and funny.

I am entertained.

Examples?

Don't care to read it again. I read it all at once, not in real time. Don't know or care if any is attributed to you.

I am entertained. That is all that matters.

Carry on.

Well then. Would enjoy some of your insight if you know everything there is to know about baseball.

Don't know everything. Far from it. The argument for starting Sandlin is an 'example.' Can't happen. Never. Ever. Period. End of sentence. Would be hell of some extenuating circumstances to consider it.

I understand the logic of Sandlin as a closer due to the fact that he throws mostly slide arm, but he also comes over the top at 91-93 mph. So, he's not a pure sidearm pitcher. And I agree that he's small, but so was McInnis. The fact is that Carroll isn't ready to be the Sunday starter. Not sure who else is. Braley or Keys? Both have had a few outings that were iffy and a few that were good. We have two effective closers in Sandlin and Wallner. I suggested one of them should move to the Sunday starter role. Not sure why that makes me stupid but glad I could provide some amusement.
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(03-07-2017 10:40 AM)ProfessorEagle Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 09:33 PM)tg300 Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 09:14 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 09:00 PM)tg300 Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 08:53 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  Examples?

Don't care to read it again. I read it all at once, not in real time. Don't know or care if any is attributed to you.

I am entertained. That is all that matters.

Carry on.

Well then. Would enjoy some of your insight if you know everything there is to know about baseball.

Don't know everything. Far from it. The argument for starting Sandlin is an 'example.' Can't happen. Never. Ever. Period. End of sentence. Would be hell of some extenuating circumstances to consider it.

I understand the logic of Sandlin as a closer due to the fact that he throws mostly slide arm, but he also comes over the top at 91-93 mph. So, he's not a pure sidearm pitcher. And I agree that he's small, but so was McInnis. The fact is that Carroll isn't ready to be the Sunday starter. Not sure who else is. Braley or Keys? Both have had a few outings that were iffy and a few that were good. We have two effective closers in Sandlin and Wallner. I suggested one of them should move to the Sunday starter role. Not sure why that makes me stupid but glad I could provide some amusement.

Wallner could start if his mindset is right. He deserves a shot. Sandlin has the closer/stopper mentality and fills that role well.

Mid week is a cluster f**k. Someone has to step up. There are a few that have shown signs and perhaps deserve a shot.
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Will say that pitchers who are effective as closer's aren't always good as starters, especially gimmicky styles. Relievers can come in throwing hard as they typically won't have to throw 75-85 pitches, only 20-30. Most will take a little off to extend their effectiveness and work multiple pitches while closer's can sometime get away with one or two pitches since they'll typically only face one time through the order. What makes starter's effective is being able to face a hitter 2-3 times and change pitches/locations giving the batter a different look each time (reverse pitching). Good college hitters are at a disadvantage the first time through an order having never seen a pitcher, but each time through they become much more effective. The gimmicky I'm speaking of are side arm, exaggerated over the top look, or someone with a hitch in their delivery of who hides the ball well (like the Cajuns Dylan Moore). I don't think he would be effective as a starter, but he's deadly for up to three innings.
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(03-07-2017 04:10 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  Will say that pitchers who are effective as closer's aren't always good as starters, especially gimmicky styles. Relievers can come in throwing hard as they typically won't have to throw 75-85 pitches, only 20-30. Most will take a little off to extend their effectiveness and work multiple pitches while closer's can sometime get away with one or two pitches since they'll typically only face one time through the order. What makes starter's effective is being able to face a hitter 2-3 times and change pitches/locations giving the batter a different look each time (reverse pitching). Good college hitters are at a disadvantage the first time through an order having never seen a pitcher, but each time through they become much more effective. The gimmicky I'm speaking of are side arm, exaggerated over the top look, or someone with a hitch in their delivery of who hides the ball well (like the Cajuns Dylan Moore). I don't think he would be effective as a starter, but he's deadly for up to three innings.

Well said.

And interestingly, the opposite can be true. We had James McMahon two years ago, who spent three years struggling as a reliever. He started as a senior and had a sub 2.00 ERA. He said in interviews that he just wasn't effective with the mentality that he had to go 100 percent in short appearances.

Also, a big difference between a starter and reliever has the former having a reliable third pitch than they can get near the zone.
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