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RE: Scheduling agreement with Liberty?
(03-02-2017 06:17 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 10:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 08:38 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  "This scheduling agreement could allow the Flames to play 4-6 games per season against another G5 conference, such as the Conference USA or Sun Belt, and then schedule another 4-6 games against other Independent schools and Power 5 opponents with 1 FCS game per season."

Apparently Liberty is trying to get a Notre Dame/ACC agreement. The SBC and CUSA are being the main ones talked about. Would y'all be interested in this? Would this be essentially a tryout for them to get into the conference if needed later on? I'm just looking to see what the pros and cons in yalls mind would be of agreeing to this.

Why would we agree to this? There's nothing in it for our teams. Nothing. At all. Their TV network is a big ole nothing. Why take the reputational hit of being aligned with LU? I don't get the benefit.

Why are we willing to help Liberty when we aren't willing to help out Idaho or NMSU? Destroy the programs that helped us out and help out the program that wont hire Gays or Jews? Absolutely ridiculous.

I'll be rather unhappy if USA or the Belt affirms LU's discriminatory practices and subjects our fans to discriminatory treatment.

There should be no alignment (which is an endorsement) of Liberty's discrimination by the Sun Belt Conference. If a member institution wishes to subject its students, faculty, athletes, fans and staff to LU, that's between them and their fans (and their LGBT and aligned student, faculty, alumni, and student groups - by the way - expect them to be involved if this happens).

Any school working with LU is affirming keeping Jews and Gays out of employment and participation in FBS athletics and employment. Full stop.

Again, if we're giving away 'scheduling alliances', I'd argue that NMSU is more deserving, UMass can probably offer more (basketball), and LU cant offer much to us.




Think you are all wet on this one. The Lord that Liberty and it's students worship was a Jew and he asked all followers to love their neighbors. Sometimes things get a little twisted and I think this may be one of them.

You are entitled to your opinion. Just know that some of us would resent it greatly if the Conference we call home endorsed exclusion and discrimination. Notre Dame and TCU don't discriminate. Evangelicals and non-evangelicals can and do contribute greatly to each current Sun Belt Conference institution as students, athletes, faculty, alumni, staff, coaches and fans and fully participate in all of the benefits of that association. Some of us would like to keep it that way. I've called this conference home for 40 years. I'm not alone here either.

Besides, what does LU have to offer? A payday game? We can get those. A game on the internet? All of our games are on ESPN3 or better. A game on some channel that few get on their cable packages and who few watch? Who besides App recruits South Central Virginia?

And what do we get in return? Some crummy game against a low performing FCS callup that no one wanted in their conference? Heck, they couldn't even get in another FCS conference either. Perhaps people look at the Belt as 'the land of the misfit toys' because we act like we are the 'land of the misfit toys'. No one else is going to give LU anything for a reason....because they don't have anything to offer. Are we the 'rent a space' conference? Come on guys.

Seriously, did any of us move up to play Liberty on the road?
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RE: Scheduling agreement with Liberty?
(03-02-2017 07:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 06:17 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 10:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 08:38 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  "This scheduling agreement could allow the Flames to play 4-6 games per season against another G5 conference, such as the Conference USA or Sun Belt, and then schedule another 4-6 games against other Independent schools and Power 5 opponents with 1 FCS game per season."

Apparently Liberty is trying to get a Notre Dame/ACC agreement. The SBC and CUSA are being the main ones talked about. Would y'all be interested in this? Would this be essentially a tryout for them to get into the conference if needed later on? I'm just looking to see what the pros and cons in yalls mind would be of agreeing to this.

Why would we agree to this? There's nothing in it for our teams. Nothing. At all. Their TV network is a big ole nothing. Why take the reputational hit of being aligned with LU? I don't get the benefit.

Why are we willing to help Liberty when we aren't willing to help out Idaho or NMSU? Destroy the programs that helped us out and help out the program that wont hire Gays or Jews? Absolutely ridiculous.

I'll be rather unhappy if USA or the Belt affirms LU's discriminatory practices and subjects our fans to discriminatory treatment.

There should be no alignment (which is an endorsement) of Liberty's discrimination by the Sun Belt Conference. If a member institution wishes to subject its students, faculty, athletes, fans and staff to LU, that's between them and their fans (and their LGBT and aligned student, faculty, alumni, and student groups - by the way - expect them to be involved if this happens).

Any school working with LU is affirming keeping Jews and Gays out of employment and participation in FBS athletics and employment. Full stop.

Again, if we're giving away 'scheduling alliances', I'd argue that NMSU is more deserving, UMass can probably offer more (basketball), and LU cant offer much to us.




Think you are all wet on this one. The Lord that Liberty and it's students worship was a Jew and he asked all followers to love their neighbors. Sometimes things get a little twisted and I think this may be one of them.

You are entitled to your opinion. Just know that some of us would resent it greatly if the Conference we call home endorsed exclusion and discrimination. Notre Dame and TCU don't discriminate. Evangelicals and non-evangelicals can and do contribute greatly to each current Sun Belt Conference institution as students, athletes, faculty, alumni, staff, coaches and fans and fully participate in all of the benefits of that association. Some of us would like to keep it that way. I've called this conference home for 40 years. I'm not alone here either.

Besides, what does LU have to offer? A payday game? We can get those. A game on the internet? All of our games are on ESPN3 or better. A game on some channel that few get on their cable packages and who few watch? Who besides App recruits South Central Virginia?

And what do we get in return? Some crummy game against a low performing FCS callup that no one wanted in their conference? Heck, they couldn't even get in another FCS conference either. Perhaps people look at the Belt as 'the land of the misfit toys' because we act like we are the 'land of the misfit toys'. No one else is going to give LU anything for a reason....because they don't have anything to offer. Are we the 'rent a space' conference? Come on guys.

Seriously, did any of us move up to play Liberty on the road?

I'm agree with most of what you say but like someone said earlier, you seem to be taking this Liberty hoopla very personally. Why stress over things you can't control? Hopefully it never happens and all the Sun Belt schools can sing kumbaya without Liberty lol.

It is a little ironic though that you want to exclude them because apparently they exclude others.
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RE: Scheduling agreement with Liberty?
(03-02-2017 07:47 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 07:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 06:17 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 10:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 08:38 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  "This scheduling agreement could allow the Flames to play 4-6 games per season against another G5 conference, such as the Conference USA or Sun Belt, and then schedule another 4-6 games against other Independent schools and Power 5 opponents with 1 FCS game per season."

Apparently Liberty is trying to get a Notre Dame/ACC agreement. The SBC and CUSA are being the main ones talked about. Would y'all be interested in this? Would this be essentially a tryout for them to get into the conference if needed later on? I'm just looking to see what the pros and cons in yalls mind would be of agreeing to this.

Why would we agree to this? There's nothing in it for our teams. Nothing. At all. Their TV network is a big ole nothing. Why take the reputational hit of being aligned with LU? I don't get the benefit.

Why are we willing to help Liberty when we aren't willing to help out Idaho or NMSU? Destroy the programs that helped us out and help out the program that wont hire Gays or Jews? Absolutely ridiculous.

I'll be rather unhappy if USA or the Belt affirms LU's discriminatory practices and subjects our fans to discriminatory treatment.

There should be no alignment (which is an endorsement) of Liberty's discrimination by the Sun Belt Conference. If a member institution wishes to subject its students, faculty, athletes, fans and staff to LU, that's between them and their fans (and their LGBT and aligned student, faculty, alumni, and student groups - by the way - expect them to be involved if this happens).

Any school working with LU is affirming keeping Jews and Gays out of employment and participation in FBS athletics and employment. Full stop.

Again, if we're giving away 'scheduling alliances', I'd argue that NMSU is more deserving, UMass can probably offer more (basketball), and LU cant offer much to us.




Think you are all wet on this one. The Lord that Liberty and it's students worship was a Jew and he asked all followers to love their neighbors. Sometimes things get a little twisted and I think this may be one of them.

You are entitled to your opinion. Just know that some of us would resent it greatly if the Conference we call home endorsed exclusion and discrimination. Notre Dame and TCU don't discriminate. Evangelicals and non-evangelicals can and do contribute greatly to each current Sun Belt Conference institution as students, athletes, faculty, alumni, staff, coaches and fans and fully participate in all of the benefits of that association. Some of us would like to keep it that way. I've called this conference home for 40 years. I'm not alone here either.

Besides, what does LU have to offer? A payday game? We can get those. A game on the internet? All of our games are on ESPN3 or better. A game on some channel that few get on their cable packages and who few watch? Who besides App recruits South Central Virginia?

And what do we get in return? Some crummy game against a low performing FCS callup that no one wanted in their conference? Heck, they couldn't even get in another FCS conference either. Perhaps people look at the Belt as 'the land of the misfit toys' because we act like we are the 'land of the misfit toys'. No one else is going to give LU anything for a reason....because they don't have anything to offer. Are we the 'rent a space' conference? Come on guys.

Seriously, did any of us move up to play Liberty on the road?

I'm agree with most of what you say but like someone said earlier, you seem to be taking this Liberty hoopla very personally. Why stress over things you can't control? Hopefully it never happens and all the Sun Belt schools can sing kumbaya without Liberty lol.

It is a little ironic though that you want to exclude them because apparently they exclude others.

You noticed that too...Lol. Play 'em. I doubt they will corrupt anyone with a football game.
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RE: Scheduling agreement with Liberty?
I'm not seeing the benefit to the Sun Belt. If schools individually want to schedule Liberty H&H, so be it, but I don't see why the entire league should have some agreement with them.

What am I missing? What's in it for the Sun Belt?
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RE: Scheduling agreement with Liberty?
(03-02-2017 08:42 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 07:47 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 07:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 06:17 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 10:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Why would we agree to this? There's nothing in it for our teams. Nothing. At all. Their TV network is a big ole nothing. Why take the reputational hit of being aligned with LU? I don't get the benefit.

Why are we willing to help Liberty when we aren't willing to help out Idaho or NMSU? Destroy the programs that helped us out and help out the program that wont hire Gays or Jews? Absolutely ridiculous.

I'll be rather unhappy if USA or the Belt affirms LU's discriminatory practices and subjects our fans to discriminatory treatment.

There should be no alignment (which is an endorsement) of Liberty's discrimination by the Sun Belt Conference. If a member institution wishes to subject its students, faculty, athletes, fans and staff to LU, that's between them and their fans (and their LGBT and aligned student, faculty, alumni, and student groups - by the way - expect them to be involved if this happens).

Any school working with LU is affirming keeping Jews and Gays out of employment and participation in FBS athletics and employment. Full stop.

Again, if we're giving away 'scheduling alliances', I'd argue that NMSU is more deserving, UMass can probably offer more (basketball), and LU cant offer much to us.




Think you are all wet on this one. The Lord that Liberty and it's students worship was a Jew and he asked all followers to love their neighbors. Sometimes things get a little twisted and I think this may be one of them.

You are entitled to your opinion. Just know that some of us would resent it greatly if the Conference we call home endorsed exclusion and discrimination. Notre Dame and TCU don't discriminate. Evangelicals and non-evangelicals can and do contribute greatly to each current Sun Belt Conference institution as students, athletes, faculty, alumni, staff, coaches and fans and fully participate in all of the benefits of that association. Some of us would like to keep it that way. I've called this conference home for 40 years. I'm not alone here either.

Besides, what does LU have to offer? A payday game? We can get those. A game on the internet? All of our games are on ESPN3 or better. A game on some channel that few get on their cable packages and who few watch? Who besides App recruits South Central Virginia?

And what do we get in return? Some crummy game against a low performing FCS callup that no one wanted in their conference? Heck, they couldn't even get in another FCS conference either. Perhaps people look at the Belt as 'the land of the misfit toys' because we act like we are the 'land of the misfit toys'. No one else is going to give LU anything for a reason....because they don't have anything to offer. Are we the 'rent a space' conference? Come on guys.

Seriously, did any of us move up to play Liberty on the road?

I'm agree with most of what you say but like someone said earlier, you seem to be taking this Liberty hoopla very personally. Why stress over things you can't control? Hopefully it never happens and all the Sun Belt schools can sing kumbaya without Liberty lol.

It is a little ironic though that you want to exclude them because apparently they exclude others.

You noticed that too...Lol. Play 'em. I doubt they will corrupt anyone with a football game.

Evangelicals can and do contribute on all levels and for all positions at all Sun Belt schools. There's zero exclusion on my part.
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RE: Scheduling agreement with Liberty?
I think there's a few obvious things being missed here.

For one, the LU getting involved in a conference's "bowl tie in" thing needs to stop. There's no precedence anywhere, not even for mighty Notre Dame and their ACC arrangement. It's not gonna happen ever.

Two, people keep saying "unless there's money involved". Well duh. But yet we all know exactly how LU has been able to get to this point... $$. "Why would anyone agree to this unless getting paid"... It's rhetorical.

Lastly, those who doubt there'd be a "conference initiative" to have this happen are underestimating two things, ease of finding AVAILABLE winnable FBS games, and the importance of those wins on bowl eligibility. While they may initially be a doormat, who out there can state that a group of ADs tired of turning over rocks to find such situations wouldn't find this a gift wrapped present?

It may/may not be the Sun Belt in talks... And I don't really care one way or another. But no group of ADs, or school fanbases are gonna care about the politics of an OOC opponent that they can look forward to getting a win and some money from.
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This whole story was put on the Liberty board with nothing substantiating it. It would be good for Liberty, but I find it funny there's 5 pages over a rumor that probably isn't true. I guess that's what message boards are for though. Carry on!
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RE: Scheduling agreement with Liberty?
(03-02-2017 09:28 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  I think there's a few obvious things being missed here.

For one, the LU getting involved in a conference's "bowl tie in" thing needs to stop. There's no precedence anywhere, not even for mighty Notre Dame and their ACC arrangement. It's not gonna happen ever.

Two, people keep saying "unless there's money involved". Well duh. But yet we all know exactly how LU has been able to get to this point... $$. "Why would anyone agree to this unless getting paid"... It's rhetorical.

Lastly, those who doubt there'd be a "conference initiative" to have this happen are underestimating two things, ease of finding AVAILABLE winnable FBS games, and the importance of those wins on bowl eligibility. While they may initially be a doormat, who out there can state that a group of ADs tired of turning over rocks to find such situations wouldn't find this a gift wrapped present?

It may/may not be the Sun Belt in talks... And I don't really care one way or another. But no group of ADs, or school fanbases are gonna care about the politics of an OOC opponent that they can look forward to getting a win and some money from.

On your point regarding easy scheduling, why aren't teams lining up to play NMSU, if teams are looking for easier FBS OOC wins? There are plenty of easier OOC FBS teams.

From a practical perspective, there's really only room on our schedules for two g5 games a year. You get one payday game at a P5, one game you buy against a FCS at home, and two OOC games.

I don't get why some teams struggle so much with scheduling. Heck USA plays in a total dump of a stadium (and it is a total dump) and we can get games. I don't see Coastal having too much difficulty. Either way, if y'all want to schedule LU, go right ahead.
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TL, I rarely agree with you, but I do agree NMSU should be the Indy the Sunbelt helps out with some scheduling. As I stated, I think Liberty and CUSA makes far more sense the SB. CUSA is hurting with their TV contract and I don't see it getting a whole lot better. In addition, it could be a good in for Liberty with BEIN and ASN.

I hope it works for Liberty and provides opportunity for other schools who may wish to move up to FBS Independent.
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If it is true, no thanks. Texas St has nothing to gain from Liberty and vice versa. The same goes for UMass. I wouldn't mind NMSU but if I think about it they don't get fans excited or bring strong traveling fans. But if I had to pick an indy team it would be them. I don't like the idea of a Notre Dame type agreement. I would rather keep scheduling home and homes with regional teams.
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RE: Scheduling agreement with Liberty?
I've reached out to a few folks around the league. No one knows anything about any discussion of a scheduling agreement. Unless Bird comes on here and says he's hearing different, I consider the matter closed.
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I'm sure we will take a cool 10 mil to play at Liberty. We do need an on campus stadium and every little bit helps.
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RE: Scheduling agreement with Liberty?
(03-02-2017 09:28 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  I think there's a few obvious things being missed here.

For one, the LU getting involved in a conference's "bowl tie in" thing needs to stop. There's no precedence anywhere, not even for mighty Notre Dame and their ACC arrangement. It's not gonna happen ever.

You sure about that?

Quote:Notre Dame is eligible for any ACC bowl tie-in as long as it’s within one game of the team eligible for the slot, except the Orange Bowl.

http://collegefootballnews.com/2016/coll...conference
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I wouldn't be surprised if in the next 10 years, Liberty becomes some powerhouse independent school, similar to BYU... but without the tradition. Then we'll all be looking back saying "well crap, why didn't the Sun Belt invite them..." They certainly have the budget and fan support. They averaged nearly 19,000 in football, which is more than most SBC schools average. Their basketball arena would be one of the top 5 largest arenas in the SBC. Their baseball stadium puts some ACC schools to shame, and so does their softball stadium. Liberty's softball stadium would only compare to ULL's in my opinion.
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(03-03-2017 03:18 AM)SouthJags2012 Wrote:  I'm sure we will take a cool 10 mil to play at Liberty. We do need an on campus stadium and every little bit helps.

I can assure you if Liberty pays anyone 10 million to play there it will not be y'all 03-lmfao seriously though I think Clemson would be interested in that money lol.
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(03-03-2017 08:40 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if in the next 10 years, Liberty becomes some powerhouse independent school, similar to BYU... but without the tradition. Then we'll all be looking back saying "well crap, why didn't the Sun Belt invite them..." They certainly have the budget and fan support. They averaged nearly 19,000 in football, which is more than most SBC schools average. Their basketball arena would be one of the top 5 largest arenas in the SBC. Their baseball stadium puts some ACC schools to shame, and so does their softball stadium. Liberty's softball stadium would only compare to ULL's in my opinion.

I don't see how they wouldn't accept a conference invite down the road 5-10 years. It will be much easier for them to schedule with a conference than without one.

When you're BYU and Notre Dame scheduling as an independent isn't hard because you're BYU and Notre Dame.

Liberty might be good as an FBS team but they won't be a brand like BYU and ND any time soon.
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I'd like to schedule them once in Boone, beat the breaks off of them to get back at them for beating us when we were at our worst rut in decades, and then never schedule them again.

Terrible biology department/online school/scumbag AD/scumbag chancellor issues aside, playing them in football just doesn't have any benefit. It takes away a spot on our schedule that could go to either a local G5, P5 home game, or P5 money game.
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(03-03-2017 08:40 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if in the next 10 years, Liberty becomes some powerhouse independent school, similar to BYU... but without the tradition. Then we'll all be looking back saying "well crap, why didn't the Sun Belt invite them..." They certainly have the budget and fan support. They averaged nearly 19,000 in football, which is more than most SBC schools average. Their basketball arena would be one of the top 5 largest arenas in the SBC. Their baseball stadium puts some ACC schools to shame, and so does their softball stadium. Liberty's softball stadium would only compare to ULL's in my opinion.

The more I think about it the more I agree with this. Maybe give them a temporary membership like we did with Idaho and NMSU. Invite them and NMSU for let's say 5 years. That way if they drag us down we can kick them out but if they turn out to be a great addition then they can help us out. At the very least they'll help our attendance averages lol even if all of their students are forced to go to the games.
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RE: Scheduling agreement with Liberty?
(03-02-2017 06:17 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 10:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 08:38 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  "This scheduling agreement could allow the Flames to play 4-6 games per season against another G5 conference, such as the Conference USA or Sun Belt, and then schedule another 4-6 games against other Independent schools and Power 5 opponents with 1 FCS game per season."

Apparently Liberty is trying to get a Notre Dame/ACC agreement. The SBC and CUSA are being the main ones talked about. Would y'all be interested in this? Would this be essentially a tryout for them to get into the conference if needed later on? I'm just looking to see what the pros and cons in yalls mind would be of agreeing to this.

Why would we agree to this? There's nothing in it for our teams. Nothing. At all. Their TV network is a big ole nothing. Why take the reputational hit of being aligned with LU? I don't get the benefit.

Why are we willing to help Liberty when we aren't willing to help out Idaho or NMSU? Destroy the programs that helped us out and help out the program that wont hire Gays or Jews? Absolutely ridiculous.

I'll be rather unhappy if USA or the Belt affirms LU's discriminatory practices and subjects our fans to discriminatory treatment.

There should be no alignment (which is an endorsement) of Liberty's discrimination by the Sun Belt Conference. If a member institution wishes to subject its students, faculty, athletes, fans and staff to LU, that's between them and their fans (and their LGBT and aligned student, faculty, alumni, and student groups - by the way - expect them to be involved if this happens).

Any school working with LU is affirming keeping Jews and Gays out of employment and participation in FBS athletics and employment. Full stop.

Again, if we're giving away 'scheduling alliances', I'd argue that NMSU is more deserving, UMass can probably offer more (basketball), and LU cant offer much to us.




Think you are all wet on this one. The Lord that Liberty and it's students worship was a Jew and he asked all followers to love their neighbors. Sometimes things get a little twisted and I think this may be one of them.


I disagree. Based on actions, Liberty is closer to being the Official School of The American Taliban than the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.
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(03-02-2017 10:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-02-2017 08:38 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  "This scheduling agreement could allow the Flames to play 4-6 games per season against another G5 conference, such as the Conference USA or Sun Belt, and then schedule another 4-6 games against other Independent schools and Power 5 opponents with 1 FCS game per season."

Apparently Liberty is trying to get a Notre Dame/ACC agreement. The SBC and CUSA are being the main ones talked about. Would y'all be interested in this? Would this be essentially a tryout for them to get into the conference if needed later on? I'm just looking to see what the pros and cons in yalls mind would be of agreeing to this.

Why would we agree to this? There's nothing in it for our teams. Nothing. At all. Their TV network is a big ole nothing. Why take the reputational hit of being aligned with LU? I don't get the benefit.

Why are we willing to help Liberty when we aren't willing to help out Idaho or NMSU? Destroy the programs that helped us out and help out the program that wont hire Gays or Jews? Absolutely ridiculous.

I'll be rather unhappy if USA or the Belt affirms LU's discriminatory practices and subjects our fans to discriminatory treatment.

There should be no alignment (which is an endorsement) of Liberty's discrimination by the Sun Belt Conference. If a member institution wishes to subject its students, faculty, athletes, fans and staff to LU, that's between them and their fans (and their LGBT and aligned student, faculty, alumni, and student groups - by the way - expect them to be involved if this happens).

Any school working with LU is affirming keeping Jews and Gays out of employment and participation in FBS athletics and employment. Full stop.

Again, if we're giving away 'scheduling alliances', I'd argue that NMSU is more deserving, UMass can probably offer more (basketball), and LU cant offer much to us.

I'm not a huge supporter of Liberty, nor am I a religious person, but your version of Liberty sounds very inaccurate, much like that Southern Miss fan that was on here recently saying Liberty is racist and hates black people.

What evidence is there of this homosexual bias against any students, athletes, or faculty, besides the things that the long deceased Jerry Falwell said 10+ years ago.

As a matter of fact, read THIS article written by a gay Liberty student, who actually describes how he thought Liberty was going to be this major anti-gay school, but he actually wound up enjoying his time there. Many of the faculty members, which were pro-marriage/pro-life/conservative people, showed nothing but love and support for him, despite him coming out as gay publicly to other Christian students and teachers.

This version of Liberty that some of you people come up with is so far off that it's comical. You need to get the correct information from unbiased sources before coming to a conclusion on how Liberty University runs their school.

(03-03-2017 10:34 AM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  I disagree. Based on actions, Liberty is closer to being the Official School of The American Taliban than the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.

You must not know the real-life difference between the Taliban and Liberty.
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