(03-02-2017 10:40 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:34 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 10:12 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 10:08 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 08:04 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  The hundreds of thousands of people that watch it on TV are predominately guys like you who have no invested interest in the schools and won't donate a dime to the school or purchase a ticket to a MAC sporting event ever in your life. People that attend live sporting events at colleges are statistically much more likely to donate than those that don't. The MAC is gaining some short-term TV dollars, but it's sacrificing it's long-term health.

Yep. This sucks for the MAC. I remember when ESPN bullied both CUSA and the MWC in the early 2000's with a proposal to put their football games on weekdays and both conferences told ESPN to shove it and found different network partners to play their football games on Saturdays. Imagine Louisville, Houston, Cincinnati Utah, BYU and TCU playing football games on ESPN on Tuesday and Wednesday nights? Me either. College Football is a Saturday sport. NFL Sunday. HS on Friday..
Cheers!

I think the MAC needs to cut a deal with the B1G to put content on their network.

Nothing wrong with being on B1GN.

The reality is the MAC does not do well competing against other ESPN games on Saturdays so looking at other options might be worth it. Playing an early game on BTN might have more viewers than being on ESPN3 for example.

The only problem with that plan is that B1GN has B1G games to broadcast at 12p on Saturday.

(03-02-2017 12:39 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:40 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:34 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 10:12 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 10:08 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Yep. This sucks for the MAC. I remember when ESPN bullied both CUSA and the MWC in the early 2000's with a proposal to put their football games on weekdays and both conferences told ESPN to shove it and found different network partners to play their football games on Saturdays. Imagine Louisville, Houston, Cincinnati Utah, BYU and TCU playing football games on ESPN on Tuesday and Wednesday nights? Me either. College Football is a Saturday sport. NFL Sunday. HS on Friday..
Cheers!

I think the MAC needs to cut a deal with the B1G to put content on their network.

Nothing wrong with being on B1GN.

The reality is the MAC does not do well competing against other ESPN games on Saturdays so looking at other options might be worth it. Playing an early game on BTN might have more viewers than being on ESPN3 for example.

The only problem with that plan is that B1GN has B1G games to broadcast at 12p on Saturday.

The B1G does not show a full day of football on the network. 1-2 games tops. Could easily add in 1-2 MAC games to make a full day. 9 AM kick on Saturday is not bad compared to Tuesday.

I actually watched a few UMass games (flipping to and fro with other games) this past year and they were pretty competitive with bigger name teams like South Carolina and Miss St. I remember they were on the young side and seemed pretty well coached. I'm interested in checking their progress this season.

(03-02-2017 12:47 PM)esayem Wrote:  I actually watched a few UMass games (flipping to and fro with other games) this year and they were pretty competitive with bigger name teams like South Carolina and Miss St. I remember they were on the young side and seemed pretty well coached. I'm interested in checking their progress this season.

So you watched them on SECN but not ESPN3. That's the downside to regional networks and ESPN3.

Playing 12 pay games at the SEC on SECN would be more lucrative and gain better exposure than the current TV setup.

(03-02-2017 12:49 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:47 PM)esayem Wrote:  I actually watched a few UMass games (flipping to and fro with other games) this year and they were pretty competitive with bigger name teams like South Carolina and Miss St. I remember they were on the young side and seemed pretty well coached. I'm interested in checking their progress this season.

So you watched them on SECN but not ESPN3. That's the downside to regional networks and ESPN3.

Playing 12 pay games at the SEC on SECN would be more lucrative and gain better exposure than the current TV setup.

It seemed like they were on ASN (?) every week.

(03-02-2017 12:46 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:39 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:40 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:34 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 10:12 PM)p23570 Wrote:  I think the MAC needs to cut a deal with the B1G to put content on their network.

Nothing wrong with being on B1GN.

The reality is the MAC does not do well competing against other ESPN games on Saturdays so looking at other options might be worth it. Playing an early game on BTN might have more viewers than being on ESPN3 for example.

The only problem with that plan is that B1GN has B1G games to broadcast at 12p on Saturday.

The B1G does not show a full day of football on the network. 1-2 games tops. Could easily add in 1-2 MAC games to make a full day. 9 AM kick on Saturday is not bad compared to Tuesday.

1-2 games tops? Sorry bud, on this one your wrong, unfortunately. Way too many games on Big 10 network. I was a subscriber for 5 years because I love Iowa Hawkeye wrestling. I made a stand and no longer have any conference tv networks.
Cheers!

(03-02-2017 01:07 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:49 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:47 PM)esayem Wrote:  I actually watched a few UMass games (flipping to and fro with other games) this year and they were pretty competitive with bigger name teams like South Carolina and Miss St. I remember they were on the young side and seemed pretty well coached. I'm interested in checking their progress this season.

So you watched them on SECN but not ESPN3. That's the downside to regional networks and ESPN3.

Playing 12 pay games at the SEC on SECN would be more lucrative and gain better exposure than the current TV setup.

It seemed like they were on ASN (?) every week.

Not for the SC and Miss St games.

(03-02-2017 01:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:46 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:39 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:40 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:34 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

Nothing wrong with being on B1GN.

The reality is the MAC does not do well competing against other ESPN games on Saturdays so looking at other options might be worth it. Playing an early game on BTN might have more viewers than being on ESPN3 for example.

The only problem with that plan is that B1GN has B1G games to broadcast at 12p on Saturday.

The B1G does not show a full day of football on the network. 1-2 games tops. Could easily add in 1-2 MAC games to make a full day. 9 AM kick on Saturday is not bad compared to Tuesday.

1-2 games tops? Sorry bud, on this one your wrong, unfortunately. Way too many games on Big 10 network. I was a subscriber for 5 years because I love Iowa Hawkeye wrestling. I made a stand and no longer have any conference tv networks.
Cheers!

Sorry bud, we ain't talking wrasslin. We are talking how may FB games on a saturday are on B1GN. If there are 3-4 FB games every saturday on B1G then I'll eat my crow but I was not aware of any conference networks that offer a full day of football on Saturdays.

I personally think conference networks should consider adding a g-5 game on Saturdays to make a full day of programming. Conference like the PAC might find that a SDSU vs UNLV game might bring one viewers to the network who wouldn't otherwise watch. A full day of football makes the channel more of a destination than 1-2 games does.

And for conferences like the MAC who are being hurt by all the weekday games maybe being on a conference network on Saturday might be better than being on ESPN 3 or some regional channel. I suspect many BiG fans have family ties to a MAC schools so there should be at least mild interest.

(03-02-2017 01:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:46 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:39 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:40 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:34 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

Nothing wrong with being on B1GN.

The reality is the MAC does not do well competing against other ESPN games on Saturdays so looking at other options might be worth it. Playing an early game on BTN might have more viewers than being on ESPN3 for example.

The only problem with that plan is that B1GN has B1G games to broadcast at 12p on Saturday.

The B1G does not show a full day of football on the network. 1-2 games tops. Could easily add in 1-2 MAC games to make a full day. 9 AM kick on Saturday is not bad compared to Tuesday.

1-2 games tops? Sorry bud, on this one your wrong, unfortunately. Way too many games on Big 10 network. I was a subscriber for 5 years because I love Iowa Hawkeye wrestling. I made a stand and no longer have any conference tv networks.
Cheers!

Wut??

We are talking the number of football games on B1G on a typical Saturday. IF there are 3-4 every week then I'll eat my crow but I do not think that is the case.



So for the MAC
ESPN = Games on during the week which kills attendance and being lost on espn 3 on saturdays.
B1G= playing on Saturdays with early/late time slots. Being on a conference network where many B1G fans probably have family who attend MAC schools or some connection.

I remember when the only time a MAC football team could get good television exposure was to play in a bowl game in Fresno. Even then, sometimes only a regional sports channel would air it.

I don't want to go back to those days. Weeknight #MACtion is worth it.

Compare NIU's fan base to, say, 2003, and this tv deal has decimated attendance, donors, gameday experience and hype. Same story for other MAC programs. MAC is horribly run. All for a measly 6-figure gain per school.

(03-02-2017 04:03 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Compare NIU's fan base to, say, 2003, and this tv deal has decimated attendance, donors, gameday experience and hype. Same story for other MAC programs. MAC is horribly run. All for a measly 6-figure gain per school.

I didn't believe this earlier in the thread but can confirm it is 100% accurate. Attendance used to be around 20k and now it's just a fraction of that.

(03-02-2017 02:30 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:46 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:39 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:40 AM)p23570 Wrote:  Nothing wrong with being on B1GN.

The reality is the MAC does not do well competing against other ESPN games on Saturdays so looking at other options might be worth it. Playing an early game on BTN might have more viewers than being on ESPN3 for example.

The only problem with that plan is that B1GN has B1G games to broadcast at 12p on Saturday.

The B1G does not show a full day of football on the network. 1-2 games tops. Could easily add in 1-2 MAC games to make a full day. 9 AM kick on Saturday is not bad compared to Tuesday.

1-2 games tops? Sorry bud, on this one your wrong, unfortunately. Way too many games on Big 10 network. I was a subscriber for 5 years because I love Iowa Hawkeye wrestling. I made a stand and no longer have any conference tv networks.
Cheers!

Wut??

We are talking the number of football games on B1G on a typical Saturday. IF there are 3-4 every week then I'll eat my crow but I do not think that is the case.



So for the MAC
ESPN = Games on during the week which kills attendance and being lost on espn 3 on saturdays.
B1G= playing on Saturdays with early/late time slots. Being on a conference network where many B1G fans probably have family who attend MAC schools or some connection.

There are usually at least 3 games on Big 10 network on Saturdays. I mentioned wrestling because that's the reason I paid to have the Big 10 network. There was even an "overflow" big 10 network channel as part of package so if Iowa was playing at the same time as Indiana, both games could still be shown.
Cheers!

(03-02-2017 02:27 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:46 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:39 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:40 AM)p23570 Wrote:  Nothing wrong with being on B1GN.

The reality is the MAC does not do well competing against other ESPN games on Saturdays so looking at other options might be worth it. Playing an early game on BTN might have more viewers than being on ESPN3 for example.

The only problem with that plan is that B1GN has B1G games to broadcast at 12p on Saturday.

The B1G does not show a full day of football on the network. 1-2 games tops. Could easily add in 1-2 MAC games to make a full day. 9 AM kick on Saturday is not bad compared to Tuesday.

1-2 games tops? Sorry bud, on this one your wrong, unfortunately. Way too many games on Big 10 network. I was a subscriber for 5 years because I love Iowa Hawkeye wrestling. I made a stand and no longer have any conference tv networks.
Cheers!

Sorry bud, we ain't talking wrasslin. We are talking how may FB games on a saturday are on B1GN. If there are 3-4 FB games every saturday on B1G then I'll eat my crow but I was not aware of any conference networks that offer a full day of football on Saturdays.

I personally think conference networks should consider adding a g-5 game on Saturdays to make a full day of programming. Conference like the PAC might find that a SDSU vs UNLV game might bring one viewers to the network who wouldn't otherwise watch. A full day of football makes the channel more of a destination than 1-2 games does.

And for conferences like the MAC who are being hurt by all the weekday games maybe being on a conference network on Saturday might be better than being on ESPN 3 or some regional channel. I suspect many BiG fans have family ties to a MAC schools so there should be at least mild interest.

You don't like being called Bud huh? Sorry Pal. I suggest a little Tabasco on your Crow to get it down, sport.

Cheers!

75% of the MAC would have lower attendance playing on Saturdays because their fans would be watching the Spartans, Wolverines, and Buckeyes.

(03-02-2017 05:47 PM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  75% of the MAC would have lower attendance playing on Saturdays because their fans would be watching the Spartans, Wolverines, and Buckeyes.

That's just not true. Those t-shirt fans don't go to MAC games on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, or even on Saturdays when OSU, UM, or MSU have bye weeks.

I consider myself a loyal Akron fan. I'm by all definitions a booster and I don't even bother messing with weekday night games as rushing there from work to just make kickoff, sit there for 4 hours, drive home late, and wake up early to go to work the next day is a huge hassle. If I'm not willing to deal with the headache of a mid week game, why would someone who treats the team with low priority attend?

(03-02-2017 10:42 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 09:05 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  One plus of independence for UMass is not having the weeknight games. We have a Saturday "home" game in November and it's at Fenway Park.

the downside is nobody wants the UMAss games on TV becasue they are on regional channels at best going head to head with much better games on ESPN, Fox, CBS, etc...

Really only 2 games that had any viewers and both were on SECN.
Schedule[edit]
Date Time Opponent Site TV Result Attendance
September 3 7:30 p.m. at No. 25 Florida Ben Hill Griffin Stadium • Gainesville, FL SECN L 7–24 88,121
September 10 12:00 p.m. Boston College Gillette Stadium • Foxboro, MA (Rivalry) ASN/ESPN3 L 7–26 25,112
September 17 3:30 p.m. FIU Warren McGuirk Alumni Stadium • Hadley, MA ASN/ESPN3 W 21–13 12,202
September 24 3:30 p.m. Mississippi State Gillette Stadium • Foxboro, MA ASN/ESPN3 L 35–47 13,074
October 1 3:30 p.m. Tulane Warren McGuirk Alumni Stadium • Hadley, MA ASN/ESPN3 L 24–31 14,892
October 7[a] 8:00 p.m. at Old Dominion Foreman Field • Norfolk, VA CUSA.tv L 16–36 20,118
October 15 3:30 p.m. Louisiana Tech Gillette Stadium • Foxboro, MA ASN/ESPN3 L 28–56 13,311
October 22 12:00 p.m. at South Carolina Williams-Brice Stadium • Columbia, SC SECN L 28–34 73,428
October 29 12:00 p.m. Wagnerdagger Warren McGuirk Alumni Stadium • Hadley, MA ASN/ESPN3 W 34–10 8,468
November 5 3:30 p.m. at Troy Veterans Memorial Stadium • Troy, AL ESPN3 L 31–52 21,763
November 19 2:00 p.m. at BYU LaVell Edwards Stadium • Provo, UT BYUtv/ESPN3 L 9–51 51,190
November 26 11:00 p.m. at Hawaii Aloha Stadium • Honolulu, HI Oceanic PPV L 40–46 22,739

THere isn't a Gang of 5 team that wouldn't want to have that schedule, at least for recruiting purposes. 3 SEC games, plus BC at home, at BYU the week before Tday (skiing mountains) and the Sat after Tday in Hawaii!

I believe it was 2003 when TCU was in CUSA, we played every single day of the week that year if you include the bowl game. It was unbelievable trying to attend games. All for TV. Now our biggest problem is playing day games in September and October in 97-100 degree heat. I feel for the MAC. They got some really good programs, but they are making it impossible for the fans.

The scheduling is a bear but having 2 MAC programs make a Big time bowl in the last 5 years says alot about the talent level of the league. Mid week games on TV may not be helping recruiting but they sure aren't hurting it either. Those checks that NIU & WMU earned for the conference and each program were nice too.

(03-02-2017 02:30 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 01:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:46 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 12:39 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:40 AM)p23570 Wrote:  Nothing wrong with being on B1GN.

The reality is the MAC does not do well competing against other ESPN games on Saturdays so looking at other options might be worth it. Playing an early game on BTN might have more viewers than being on ESPN3 for example.

The only problem with that plan is that B1GN has B1G games to broadcast at 12p on Saturday.

The B1G does not show a full day of football on the network. 1-2 games tops. Could easily add in 1-2 MAC games to make a full day. 9 AM kick on Saturday is not bad compared to Tuesday.

1-2 games tops? Sorry bud, on this one your wrong, unfortunately. Way too many games on Big 10 network. I was a subscriber for 5 years because I love Iowa Hawkeye wrestling. I made a stand and no longer have any conference tv networks.
Cheers!

Wut??

We are talking the number of football games on B1G on a typical Saturday. IF there are 3-4 every week then I'll eat my crow but I do not think that is the case.



So for the MAC
ESPN = Games on during the week which kills attendance and being lost on espn 3 on saturdays.
B1G= playing on Saturdays with early/late time slots. Being on a conference network where many B1G fans probably have family who attend MAC schools or some connection.

You are a troll. You got banned.

Cheers!