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(03-01-2017 03:51 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 08:40 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Anyone in favor of starting some new traditions. This one is so played out and I was never really a fan of it anyways. ODU thinks this is the only tradition we have and uses it non stop. I am kinda tired of it. We need someone new at the help of these decisions. I don't know that much about chandlers powers but I thought he would be doing more on these fronts.

Over my dead body.

That would not be a tasteful application of Ice Cream & Cake

What disappoints me is that this is what the University has chosen to put its efforts behind. Just like season ticket sales, atmosphere & student turn out has to be manufactured. It takes effort and leadership. ODU is teaching incoming Fresh IC&C at student orientations, etc. The reason it is successful is that ODU has put effort into this. They have chosen to put their effort into a chant/cheer that has nothing to do with ODU. Why not teach the students chants/cheers that promote pride in ODU? I'm not a fan but I'm fine with keeping IC&C - but there has to be more emphasis on ODU. It's literally an inculcation of culture that takes place on campuses with strong student pride, game atmosphere, etc. Call it brain washing if you want but it is well thought out and it is precisely planned by colleges across the country. The best college atmospheres are completely manufactured - they don't just happen. I can give you a list of examples I've seen in person.

Agree completely. This action goes hand-in-hand with the investments in becoming a residential campus in the first place.

(03-02-2017 10:18 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  What disappoints me is that this is what the University has chosen to put its efforts behind. Just like season ticket sales, atmosphere & student turn out has to be manufactured. It takes effort and leadership. ODU is teaching incoming Fresh IC&C at student orientations, etc. The reason it is successful is that ODU has put effort into this. They have chosen to put their effort into a chant/cheer that has nothing to do with ODU. Why not teach the students chants/cheers that promote pride in ODU? I'm not a fan but I'm fine with keeping IC&C - but there has to be more emphasis on ODU. It's literally an inculcation of culture that takes place on campuses with strong student pride, game atmosphere, etc. Call it brain washing if you want but it is well thought out and it is precisely planned by colleges across the country. The best college atmospheres are completely manufactured - they don't just happen. I can give you a list of examples I've seen in person.

Finally someone gets it. This goes in hand with my "ODU needs a fight chant" thread. This IC&C crap has nothing to do with ODU at all. How does it mean anything to ODU. Let's get someone clever to get some creative chants started

(03-02-2017 03:58 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:18 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  What disappoints me is that this is what the University has chosen to put its efforts behind. Just like season ticket sales, atmosphere & student turn out has to be manufactured. It takes effort and leadership. ODU is teaching incoming Fresh IC&C at student orientations, etc. The reason it is successful is that ODU has put effort into this. They have chosen to put their effort into a chant/cheer that has nothing to do with ODU. Why not teach the students chants/cheers that promote pride in ODU? I'm not a fan but I'm fine with keeping IC&C - but there has to be more emphasis on ODU. It's literally an inculcation of culture that takes place on campuses with strong student pride, game atmosphere, etc. Call it brain washing if you want but it is well thought out and it is precisely planned by colleges across the country. The best college atmospheres are completely manufactured - they don't just happen. I can give you a list of examples I've seen in person.

Finally someone gets it. This goes in hand with my "ODU needs a fight chant" thread. This IC&C crap has nothing to do with ODU at all. How does it mean anything to ODU. Let's get someone clever to get some creative chants started

How can anyone say that IC&C has nothing to do with ODU at this point? Its a tradition that actually worked. Lets just get rid of it and come up with some campy "ODU, Monarch, Big Blue" song that sucks?

I'm not even a huge fan of it, but when the crowd gets into it and they show it on TV it looks great.

(03-02-2017 03:58 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:18 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  What disappoints me is that this is what the University has chosen to put its efforts behind. Just like season ticket sales, atmosphere & student turn out has to be manufactured. It takes effort and leadership. ODU is teaching incoming Fresh IC&C at student orientations, etc. The reason it is successful is that ODU has put effort into this. They have chosen to put their effort into a chant/cheer that has nothing to do with ODU. Why not teach the students chants/cheers that promote pride in ODU? I'm not a fan but I'm fine with keeping IC&C - but there has to be more emphasis on ODU. It's literally an inculcation of culture that takes place on campuses with strong student pride, game atmosphere, etc. Call it brain washing if you want but it is well thought out and it is precisely planned by colleges across the country. The best college atmospheres are completely manufactured - they don't just happen. I can give you a list of examples I've seen in person.

Finally someone gets it. This goes in hand with my "ODU needs a fight chant" thread. This IC&C crap has nothing to do with ODU at all. How does it mean anything to ODU. Let's get someone clever to get some creative chants started

Here's the thing with Ice Cream and Cake...its not going anywhere. Not because anyone in Athletics said so, because the students said so. A couple years ago student government decided to establish ODU's campus traditions by way of a student body vote. Seven traditions were selected. Most of them were your standard stuff...rub the statue, don't step on the seal, etc. The only one that wasn't traditional, Ice Cream and Cake. It's now an official tradition of the university, as selected by the students. So this has bypassed Athletics to become a university tradition. These seven traditions are the ones that are provided to the students at Orientation. It's not Athletics that is pushing Ice Cream and Cake outside of our games, as in the Al Roker invite video someone mentioned, that idea came from the student body.

https://www.odu.edu/life/gettinginvolved...traditions

Students pay tuition. When it comes to things like selecting traditions, or what club sport team to create, students have a lot of say in what happens in regards to campus life. And rightfully so. As long as they keep engaging with the song and they like it, why change it? To our current students Ice Cream and Cake is ODU. Just like Hang on Sloopy is to Ohio State and Enter Sandman is to VT and Jump Around is to Wisconsin. Those songs are not original to the school, but they have become ingrained in their game atmosphere and they are now linked together.

(03-02-2017 05:14 PM)JChandler Wrote:  Here's the thing with Ice Cream and Cake...its not going anywhere. Not because anyone in Athletics said so, because the students said so. A couple years ago student government decided to establish ODU's campus traditions by way of a student body vote. Seven traditions were selected. Most of them were your standard stuff...rub the statue, don't step on the seal, etc. The only one that wasn't traditional, Ice Cream and Cake. It's now an official tradition of the university, as selected by the students. So this has bypassed Athletics to become a university tradition. These seven traditions are the ones that are provided to the students at Orientation. It's not Athletics that is pushing Ice Cream and Cake outside of our games, as in the Al Roker invite video someone mentioned, that idea came from the student body.

https://www.odu.edu/life/gettinginvolved...traditions

Students pay tuition. When it comes to things like selecting traditions, or what club sport team to create, students have a lot of say in what happens in regards to campus life. And rightfully so. As long as they keep engaging with the song and they like it, why change it? To our current students Ice Cream and Cake is ODU. Just like Hang on Sloopy is to Ohio State and Enter Sandman is to VT and Jump Around is to Wisconsin. Those songs are not original to the school, but they have become ingrained in their game atmosphere and they are now linked together.

Thank you for the clarification Mr. Chandler. As always, your input is much appreciated.

I completely agree Mr. Chandler. The debate continues... they like the song, but why won't they come to see it?! =]

Did you read my idea of a local DJ and getting students there early? Taking queues from the Grand Canyon video.

I just wish the crowd would engage with the fight song. It's played so damn much, is it really that hard to clap and spell M O N A R C H S at the end of it?

(03-02-2017 05:14 PM)JChandler Wrote:  Here's the thing with Ice Cream and Cake...its not going anywhere. Not because anyone in Athletics said so, because the students said so. A couple years ago student government decided to establish ODU's campus traditions by way of a student body vote. Seven traditions were selected. Most of them were your standard stuff...rub the statue, don't step on the seal, etc. The only one that wasn't traditional, Ice Cream and Cake. It's now an official tradition of the university, as selected by the students. So this has bypassed Athletics to become a university tradition. These seven traditions are the ones that are provided to the students at Orientation. It's not Athletics that is pushing Ice Cream and Cake outside of our games, as in the Al Roker invite video someone mentioned, that idea came from the student body.

https://www.odu.edu/life/gettinginvolved...traditions

Students pay tuition. When it comes to things like selecting traditions, or what club sport team to create, students have a lot of say in what happens in regards to campus life. And rightfully so. As long as they keep engaging with the song and they like it, why change it? To our current students Ice Cream and Cake is ODU. Just like Hang on Sloopy is to Ohio State and Enter Sandman is to VT and Jump Around is to Wisconsin. Those songs are not original to the school, but they have become ingrained in their game atmosphere and they are now linked together.

Chandler thanks for the input. My view is that at the end of the day I don't really care what the students want as long as they are at the games supporting the team. So why is the student section consistently less that half full. I see more 6 yr olds doing IC&C than students when games are on tv. I think the university needs to promote getting students to the game to actually show some pride in their teams.

(03-02-2017 09:25 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 05:14 PM)JChandler Wrote:  Here's the thing with Ice Cream and Cake...its not going anywhere. Not because anyone in Athletics said so, because the students said so. A couple years ago student government decided to establish ODU's campus traditions by way of a student body vote. Seven traditions were selected. Most of them were your standard stuff...rub the statue, don't step on the seal, etc. The only one that wasn't traditional, Ice Cream and Cake. It's now an official tradition of the university, as selected by the students. So this has bypassed Athletics to become a university tradition. These seven traditions are the ones that are provided to the students at Orientation. It's not Athletics that is pushing Ice Cream and Cake outside of our games, as in the Al Roker invite video someone mentioned, that idea came from the student body.

https://www.odu.edu/life/gettinginvolved...traditions

Students pay tuition. When it comes to things like selecting traditions, or what club sport team to create, students have a lot of say in what happens in regards to campus life. And rightfully so. As long as they keep engaging with the song and they like it, why change it? To our current students Ice Cream and Cake is ODU. Just like Hang on Sloopy is to Ohio State and Enter Sandman is to VT and Jump Around is to Wisconsin. Those songs are not original to the school, but they have become ingrained in their game atmosphere and they are now linked together.

Chandler thanks for the input. My view is that at the end of the day I don't really care what the students want as long as they are at the games supporting the team. So why is the student section consistently less that half full. I see more 6 yr olds doing IC&C than students when games are on tv. I think the university needs to promote getting students to the game to actually show some pride in their teams.

How would you like the university to get students to games?

(03-02-2017 03:58 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  This IC&C crap has nothing to do with ODU at all. How does it mean anything to ODU. Let's get someone clever to get some creative chants started

"Sweet Caroline" has nothing to do with the Red Sox, yet they play it every game. The Patriots play "Your Love" by The Outfield. English soccer team West Ham has "Forever Blowing Bubbles" which, surprise, isn't about soccer. Liverpool has "You'll Never Walk Alone".

You can't force traditions, they just happen.

My new favorite complaint, Dr C.....why have they started doing the Dance Cam on Ice Cream and Cake and not a regular dance song. It was fun watching young and old show their dance moves to win a YNOT Pizza. IC&C is a dance with certain moves. Dance Cam should be a for song that can show soul, funk and/or creativity!!

Also, bring back the band playing Cupid Shuffle so we can all dance in the stands.

Next- the cheerleaders and dance team are young and fit. Have them go up in the aisles to throw t-shirts so the same sections don't always get them.

(03-02-2017 05:14 PM)JChandler Wrote:  Here's the thing with Ice Cream and Cake...its not going anywhere. Not because anyone in Athletics said so, because the students said so. A couple years ago student government decided to establish ODU's campus traditions by way of a student body vote. Seven traditions were selected. Most of them were your standard stuff...rub the statue, don't step on the seal, etc. The only one that wasn't traditional, Ice Cream and Cake. It's now an official tradition of the university, as selected by the students. So this has bypassed Athletics to become a university tradition. These seven traditions are the ones that are provided to the students at Orientation. It's not Athletics that is pushing Ice Cream and Cake outside of our games, as in the Al Roker invite video someone mentioned, that idea came from the student body.

https://www.odu.edu/life/gettinginvolved...traditions

Students pay tuition. When it comes to things like selecting traditions, or what club sport team to create, students have a lot of say in what happens in regards to campus life. And rightfully so. As long as they keep engaging with the song and they like it, why change it? To our current students Ice Cream and Cake is ODU. Just like Hang on Sloopy is to Ohio State and Enter Sandman is to VT and Jump Around is to Wisconsin. Those songs are not original to the school, but they have become ingrained in their game atmosphere and they are now linked together.

Dr. Chandler, thank you for engaging with us and being an open ear. We are passionate Monarch fans and desire to help make things bigger and better where we can. The passion is good. IC&C has its place and I'm glad that the student body is behind it.

My unbridled passion dips my head a little when I stack IC&C against Enter Sandman though. Hoping we continue to develop some crowd involvement things that lend to pumping up the crowd to send energy to our student athletes.


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(03-03-2017 08:00 AM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 05:14 PM)JChandler Wrote:  Here's the thing with Ice Cream and Cake...its not going anywhere. Not because anyone in Athletics said so, because the students said so. A couple years ago student government decided to establish ODU's campus traditions by way of a student body vote. Seven traditions were selected. Most of them were your standard stuff...rub the statue, don't step on the seal, etc. The only one that wasn't traditional, Ice Cream and Cake. It's now an official tradition of the university, as selected by the students. So this has bypassed Athletics to become a university tradition. These seven traditions are the ones that are provided to the students at Orientation. It's not Athletics that is pushing Ice Cream and Cake outside of our games, as in the Al Roker invite video someone mentioned, that idea came from the student body.

https://www.odu.edu/life/gettinginvolved...traditions

Students pay tuition. When it comes to things like selecting traditions, or what club sport team to create, students have a lot of say in what happens in regards to campus life. And rightfully so. As long as they keep engaging with the song and they like it, why change it? To our current students Ice Cream and Cake is ODU. Just like Hang on Sloopy is to Ohio State and Enter Sandman is to VT and Jump Around is to Wisconsin. Those songs are not original to the school, but they have become ingrained in their game atmosphere and they are now linked together.

Dr. Chandler, thank you for engaging with us and being an open ear. We are passionate Monarch fans and desire to help make things bigger and better where we can. The passion is good. IC&C has its place and I'm glad that the student body is behind it.

My unbridled passion dips my head a little when I stack IC&C against Enter Sandman though. Hoping we continue to develop some crowd involvement things that lend to pumping up the crowd to send energy to our student athletes.


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+1

(03-03-2017 08:00 AM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 05:14 PM)JChandler Wrote:  Here's the thing with Ice Cream and Cake...its not going anywhere. Not because anyone in Athletics said so, because the students said so. A couple years ago student government decided to establish ODU's campus traditions by way of a student body vote. Seven traditions were selected. Most of them were your standard stuff...rub the statue, don't step on the seal, etc. The only one that wasn't traditional, Ice Cream and Cake. It's now an official tradition of the university, as selected by the students. So this has bypassed Athletics to become a university tradition. These seven traditions are the ones that are provided to the students at Orientation. It's not Athletics that is pushing Ice Cream and Cake outside of our games, as in the Al Roker invite video someone mentioned, that idea came from the student body.

https://www.odu.edu/life/gettinginvolved...traditions

Students pay tuition. When it comes to things like selecting traditions, or what club sport team to create, students have a lot of say in what happens in regards to campus life. And rightfully so. As long as they keep engaging with the song and they like it, why change it? To our current students Ice Cream and Cake is ODU. Just like Hang on Sloopy is to Ohio State and Enter Sandman is to VT and Jump Around is to Wisconsin. Those songs are not original to the school, but they have become ingrained in their game atmosphere and they are now linked together.

Dr. Chandler, thank you for engaging with us and being an open ear. We are passionate Monarch fans and desire to help make things bigger and better where we can. The passion is good. IC&C has its place and I'm glad that the student body is behind it.

My unbridled passion dips my head a little when I stack IC&C against Enter Sandman though. Hoping we continue to develop some crowd involvement things that lend to pumping up the crowd to send energy to our student athletes.


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That's because there's only a handful of them in the building to do it. If there were a couple thousand all doing it at the same time, which gets everybody else doing it, then it looks and feels way more impressive. SOOO that just brings us back to how to get students back in the building.

Consistent winning puts students in the stands. Win early, win often, and close out the season on a winning streak. Build it and they will come.

It would also help if the were corralled into the lower section of the student section.
As of now, they are spread out over 3 sections. I'd put a cover over the upper half of the student section forcing students down to the floor and NOT let them sit in the 2 corner sections.
When you look at the students, often there are a good number present but because they are so spread out - it doesn't look like it and there is NO ENERGY.
If they were standing side by side - there would be instant energy. That energy turns into atmosphere. It's just hard to create when they are not in a confined space. I'd actually move my band behind the basket (where the students don't want to sit) and let the students surround them.

Atmosphere and traditions are manufactured.

(03-03-2017 11:15 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  It would also help if the were corralled into the lower section of the student section.
As of now, they are spread out over 3 sections. I'd put a cover over the upper half of the student section forcing students down to the floor and NOT let them sit in the 2 corner sections.
When you look at the students, often there are a good number present but because they are so spread out - it doesn't look like it and there is NO ENERGY.
If they were standing side by side - there would be instant energy. That energy turns into atmosphere. It's just hard to create when they are not in a confined space. I'd actually move my band behind the basket (where the students don't want to sit) and let the students surround them.

Atmosphere and traditions are manufactured.

They don't need to cover any sections. All they need is an usher directing them where to sit. Right now, they walk past the usher and sit wherever they want. They did what I'm suggesting when I was a student at UT. It left no space between seats in the front section. And when big games happened, the section looked packed. The students that never came to games were able to pick up the chants quickly as they were led by cheerleaders with signs.

Which leads to my second suggestion; Get the cheerleaders to lead cheers. It's literally the purpose of them being there. Currently, our cheerleaders have their backs to the student section and don't do anything other than a few routines, throwing out shirts and the handwalking thing.