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RE: YouTubeTV: Will it really "change college football forever"?
regarding DVR keep in mind that ESPN3 and (I think) the Fox Sports Channel apps keep replays for a week or so.

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RE: YouTubeTV: Will it really "change college football forever"?
Yes some of the stand alone ("over the top") streaming apps do have a limited on-demand library, which as you mention expires quickly.
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(03-02-2017 01:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Yes some of the stand alone ("over the top") streaming apps do have a limited on-demand library, which as you mention expires quickly.

Varies wildly.
HBO I think has their entire library available to stream and my understanding is that is "generally" true of the CBS pay service.
The Time Warner cable channels seem to have a short hold period.
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RE: YouTubeTV: Will it really "change college football forever"?
I'm thinking of sports, mainly.

Yes, in terms of series, HBO Go/Now is very good about having essentially its entire (modern) library on-demand.


But WatchESPN, for example, in the football season at least, would keep the ability to view replays of every ESPN/2/U/News/3 game for I think less than a week, then they're gone.

Can't really fault them. There are way too many games, which are far too long, to sit there taking up that much space. Who is going to watch a replay of 2015 Wake Forest vs NC State, anyway??
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RE: YouTubeTV: Will it really "change college football forever"?
(03-03-2017 10:51 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I'm thinking of sports, mainly.

Yes, in terms of series, HBO Go/Now is very good about having essentially its entire (modern) library on-demand.


But WatchESPN, for example, in the football season at least, would keep the ability to view replays of every ESPN/2/U/News/3 game for I think less than a week, then they're gone.

Can't really fault them. There are way too many games, which are far too long, to sit there taking up that much space. Who is going to watch a replay of 2015 Wake Forest vs NC State, anyway??

Probably why ESPN doesn't spend much if any effort on take down notices for old games floating around on YouTube.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...s-catch-on

I know some here have been so sure (and so wrong) about cable not going away and cord-cutting wouldn't continue, and broadband saving cable etc... But the trends, data, and technology shows otherwise. Cable and broadband going the ways of landline phones and print newspapers.


A World Without Wi-Fi Looks Possible as Unlimited Plans Catch On
by Olga Kharif
March 9, 2017, 5:00 AM EST
Unlimited mobile data plans, competing systems pose threats
‘You could see a big switch’ in consumer behavior: analyst
The Wi-Fi icon -- a dot with radio waves radiating outward -- glows on nearly every internet-connected device, from the iPhone to thermostats to TVs. But it’s starting to fade from the limelight.

With every major U.S. wireless carrier now offering unlimited data plans, consumers don’t need to log on to a Wi-Fi network to avoid costly overage charges anymore. That’s a critical change that threatens to render Wi-Fi obsolete. And with new competitive technologies crowding in, the future looks even dimmer.

“You could see a big switch,” said Tim Farrar, founder of Telecom Media Finance Associates Inc.


In an all-data-you-can-eat world, consumers’ use of Wi-Fi at public places like stadiums and airports will drop to a third of all mobile data traffic from about half, Farrar estimates. This means businesses not upgrading public access Wi-Fi as often. Smartphone users might not even turn on their Wi-Fi capability, according to Barry Gilbert, an analyst at researcher Strategy Analytics in Boston.

“At Sprint Corp., where unlimited plans are the norm, customers aren’t waiting until they get to a Wi-Fi hot spot to watch the latest video. They are staying on cellular,” said Craig Moffett, an analyst at MoffettNathanson LLC. “Customers are rational. When pricing incentives favor Wi-Fi, customers use more Wi-Fi. When pricing incentives shift, so does behavior.”

The erosion of Wi-Fi’s influence is likely to be slow and uneven. While unlimited data plans make the technology less necessary for phones, many home devices, from a MacBook to an Amazon Echo, still use Wi-Fi to connect to the internet. Wi-Fi also helps fill in gaps in some office buildings and homes that have spotty cellphone coverage.

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The Streaming Revolution. "The market is going to decide which technology provides the best capabilities for the end user.



A new system called LTE in Unlicensed Spectrum -- or LTE-U, which depends on a combination of new small-cell towers and home wireless routers -- risks congesting the spectrum upon which Wi-Fi relies. In decades past, the nation’s unlicensed airwaves were mostly known for their use by garage door openers, cordless phones, and the occasional baby monitor. Now they’re full of traffic from Wi-Fi networks that connect smartphones, laptops, set-top boxes, game consoles, and a whole host of smart devices to the internet. As LTE-U moves in, Wi-Fi may get drowned out.

“Places where operators have traditionally looked to Wi-Fi, they’ll leverage LTE-U,” said Kyung Mun, an analyst at researcher Mobile Experts.

Developed by cellular carriers and their vendors, LTE-U may act as a disincentive for companies experimenting with Wi-Fi calling, including Comcast, and those dabbling in fiber networks, like Alphabet Inc.’s Google.


And please save the notion that wireless data won't be able to have the capacity to keep up. Broadcast TV is selling spectrum to the cellular companies so they can increase wireless and the wireless companies are hard at work building out to make wi-fi and broadband land cables obsolete (even google fiber). Even the old TV broadcast towers are developing ATSC 3.0 technology to broadcast straight to devices and make it interactive and 2-way communication.

Computers, memory, data always become cheaper and faster.
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RE: YouTubeTV: Will it really "change college football forever"?
All you can do is laugh at articles like that.


Cell towers have to be connected to the internet somehow, and they achieve that via large land-line links. Replacing 4G LTE radios on the towers with new 5G radios does not increase capacity. All it does is, in theory, increase reliability and speed between the device and the tower.

Wireless capacity is still very expensive, compared to land-line.


Wifi isn't going anywhere, any time soon.
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(03-09-2017 11:43 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  All you can do is laugh at articles like that.


Cell towers have to be connected to the internet somehow, and they achieve that via large land-line links. Replacing 4G LTE radios on the towers with new 5G radios does not increase capacity. All it does is, in theory, increase reliability and speed between the device and the tower.

Wireless capacity is still very expensive, compared to land-line.


Wifi isn't going anywhere, any time soon.

Right, and with cell service each device requires it's own subscription. Consumers truly are rational, and it's a rational decision to not want to watch a game on a smartphone because of the screen size. What this really comes down to is how "unlimited" unlimited plans really are. If consumers want to watch sports (or anything) on a large screen, they will need either a cable content subscription or a router (for AppleTV, ChromeCast, ROKU, etc.). For a router, it will need a connection to the internet. Right now, that's usually via cable, DSL or satellite. It COULD be via cell connection, but I would bet that the "unlimited" plan does not include multiple devices, or if it does will be a lot more expensive. And cable throughput is FAR higher than mobile, at least right now.

I think the cable companies will become primarily broadband providers if "cord cutting" continues. The cord won't really be cut, it will simply be an internet connection devoid of cable company content.
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(03-12-2017 10:36 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(03-09-2017 11:43 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  All you can do is laugh at articles like that.


Cell towers have to be connected to the internet somehow, and they achieve that via large land-line links. Replacing 4G LTE radios on the towers with new 5G radios does not increase capacity. All it does is, in theory, increase reliability and speed between the device and the tower.

Wireless capacity is still very expensive, compared to land-line.


Wifi isn't going anywhere, any time soon.

Right, and with cell service each device requires it's own subscription. Consumers truly are rational, and it's a rational decision to not want to watch a game on a smartphone because of the screen size. What this really comes down to is how "unlimited" unlimited plans really are. If consumers want to watch sports (or anything) on a large screen, they will need either a cable content subscription or a router (for AppleTV, ChromeCast, ROKU, etc.). For a router, it will need a connection to the internet. Right now, that's usually via cable, DSL or satellite. It COULD be via cell connection, but I would bet that the "unlimited" plan does not include multiple devices, or if it does will be a lot more expensive. And cable throughput is FAR higher than mobile, at least right now.

I think the cable companies will become primarily broadband providers if "cord cutting" continues. The cord won't really be cut, it will simply be an internet connection devoid of cable company content.
Screen size an issue? I doubt that with the new VR devices and pairing with TVs. Guess you haven't seen the Motorola phone that projects a 70 inch screen. Seems for the younger generation, portability is more of a factor than screen size.
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(03-12-2017 11:14 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 10:36 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(03-09-2017 11:43 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  All you can do is laugh at articles like that.


Cell towers have to be connected to the internet somehow, and they achieve that via large land-line links. Replacing 4G LTE radios on the towers with new 5G radios does not increase capacity. All it does is, in theory, increase reliability and speed between the device and the tower.

Wireless capacity is still very expensive, compared to land-line.


Wifi isn't going anywhere, any time soon.

Right, and with cell service each device requires it's own subscription. Consumers truly are rational, and it's a rational decision to not want to watch a game on a smartphone because of the screen size. What this really comes down to is how "unlimited" unlimited plans really are. If consumers want to watch sports (or anything) on a large screen, they will need either a cable content subscription or a router (for AppleTV, ChromeCast, ROKU, etc.). For a router, it will need a connection to the internet. Right now, that's usually via cable, DSL or satellite. It COULD be via cell connection, but I would bet that the "unlimited" plan does not include multiple devices, or if it does will be a lot more expensive. And cable throughput is FAR higher than mobile, at least right now.

I think the cable companies will become primarily broadband providers if "cord cutting" continues. The cord won't really be cut, it will simply be an internet connection devoid of cable company content.
Screen size an issue? I doubt that with the new VR devices and pairing with TVs. Guess you haven't seen the Motorola phone that projects a 70 inch screen. Seems for the younger generation, portability is more of a factor than screen size.

I'm guessing you haven't compared the 70" projection pic from a Motorola phone next to a 70" dedicated LG 4K tv. It ain't even close to the same.
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MWC is an extremist cord-cutter/ala carte advocate.

I have no doubt that he will get rid of any cable and ISP service to his house, far prematurely, just to make a point.
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(03-12-2017 11:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 11:14 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 10:36 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(03-09-2017 11:43 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  All you can do is laugh at articles like that.


Cell towers have to be connected to the internet somehow, and they achieve that via large land-line links. Replacing 4G LTE radios on the towers with new 5G radios does not increase capacity. All it does is, in theory, increase reliability and speed between the device and the tower.

Wireless capacity is still very expensive, compared to land-line.


Wifi isn't going anywhere, any time soon.

Right, and with cell service each device requires it's own subscription. Consumers truly are rational, and it's a rational decision to not want to watch a game on a smartphone because of the screen size. What this really comes down to is how "unlimited" unlimited plans really are. If consumers want to watch sports (or anything) on a large screen, they will need either a cable content subscription or a router (for AppleTV, ChromeCast, ROKU, etc.). For a router, it will need a connection to the internet. Right now, that's usually via cable, DSL or satellite. It COULD be via cell connection, but I would bet that the "unlimited" plan does not include multiple devices, or if it does will be a lot more expensive. And cable throughput is FAR higher than mobile, at least right now.

I think the cable companies will become primarily broadband providers if "cord cutting" continues. The cord won't really be cut, it will simply be an internet connection devoid of cable company content.
Screen size an issue? I doubt that with the new VR devices and pairing with TVs. Guess you haven't seen the Motorola phone that projects a 70 inch screen. Seems for the younger generation, portability is more of a factor than screen size.

I'm guessing you haven't compared the 70" projection pic from a Motorola phone next to a 70" dedicated LG 4K tv. It ain't even close to the same.

Not saying it is....but for the 20 year old with only a smart phone data plan, they can either link it to a 70" TV or if they are somewhere else, project a 70" image on a wall.
All I am saying is, the technology is advancing fast and who would have though just 5 years ago I could link my phone and TV together...yet along be able to project my stream from my phone. Any guesses where what the next five will bring?
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MWC, you're not wrong.

Just your timescale is way, way off.


Try 50 years. Not five.
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(03-13-2017 10:55 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  MWC, you're not wrong.

Just your timescale is way, way off.


Try 50 years. Not five.

Well it looks like 5G is coming in less than 5 years.
Looks like deployment is beginning in 2 years - 2019 once the standard is hammered out in March of 2018.

https://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2017/0...eployments

ATT launching a 5g wireless in Austin and Indianapolis later this year maybe using it as a trial run for discussion regarding standards.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/01/att-...es-in-2017
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As I said in the other thread, 5G doesn't increase the total supply capacity of a tower. It just (in theory) increases the reliability and speed of a single link between a device and the tower.
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