Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
Author Message
Stugray2 Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,817
Joined: Jan 2017
Reputation: 102
I Root For: tOSU SJSU
Location: South Bay Area CA
Post: #81
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
For easterners here (anyone not in the Pacific or Mountain time zones) be aware that counties are massive out here. LA County is so large it is broken into seven districts or regions, each containing multiple cities. Staying within the county is not very confining. Everywhere from Long Beach to Claremont to San Fernando to Malibu, and a whole lot more, is contained within.

[Image: 413.png?sitetimestamp\\\\u003d636041301260000000]

All that said, I think there are too many hurdles for a Ballmer-Kroenke deal at Inglewood to take place. While this option was leaked, there are probably a couple others in the exploratory stages. Ballmer does very much want out from under the Lakers shadow and building a better basketball arena ("fan experience" and "sight lines"), but he going to be deliberate and not rushed. Staples is in a very good location, not far from the high end northern belt of cities from Santa Monica to Beverly Hills, Hollywood, Burbank, Glendale, Pasadena. Inglewood is going the wrong direction. I'm sure he'll figure it out, but it might take some time.
(This post was last modified: 08-18-2017 10:36 PM by Stugray2.)
08-18-2017 05:03 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Brookes Owl Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,841
Joined: Sep 2004
Reputation: 108
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location:

The Parliament AwardsCrappiesDonators
Post: #82
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
(08-18-2017 05:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  For easterners here (anyone not in the Pacific or Mountain time zones) be aware that counties are massive out here. LA County is so large it is broken into six districts or regions, each containing multiple cities. Staying within the county is not very confining. Everywhere from Long Beach to Claremont to San Fernando to Malibu, and a whole more, is contained within.

<map removed>

All that said, I think there are too many hurdles for a Ballmer-Kroenke deal at Inglewood to take place. While this option was leaked, there are probably a couple others in the exploratory stages. Ballmer does very much want out from under the Lakers shadow and building a better basketball arena ("fan experience" and "sight lines"), but he going to be deliberate and not rushed. Staples is in a very good location, not far from the high end northern belt of cities from Santa Monica to Beverly Hills, Hollywood, Burbank, Glendale, Pasadena. Inglewood is going the wrong direction. I'm sure he'll figure it out, but it might take some time.

Yeah, saying he'll be in the county was pretty broad. There's no way he's moving to the high desert or Santa Clarita. There's no space on the West Side. Probably not SF Valley or SG Valley either (but Burbank/Glendale/Pasadena might work). So "LA Central" or South Bay (e.g. Carson) are my leading contenders. Inglewood's only got one hurdle but it's a doozy: MSG. Barring a side deal with MSG I don't know how he builds there. They'll wrap him up in CEQA (California Environmental Quality Act) review forever.
08-18-2017 05:46 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
_C2_ Offline
The King of Overanalysis
*

Posts: 19,259
Joined: Feb 2008
Reputation: 364
I Root For: Houston
Location: Zamunda
Post: #83
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
I'm totally dumbfounded as to why the Forum still exists. They have a real problem with tearing down sports facilities in this country. I thought the Silverdome was suposed to see a wrecking ball for example.
08-19-2017 12:28 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
vandiver49 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,692
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 160
I Root For: USNA/UTK
Location: West GA
Post: #84
Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
(08-19-2017 12:28 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm totally dumbfounded as to why the Forum still exists. They have a real problem with tearing down sports facilities in this country. I thought the Silverdome was suposed to see a wrecking ball for example.

The Silverdome is finally gone and the Georgia Dome will be gone at the end of the year. Never mind the fact that the roof on MB Stadium can't move yet.
08-20-2017 03:19 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
_C2_ Offline
The King of Overanalysis
*

Posts: 19,259
Joined: Feb 2008
Reputation: 364
I Root For: Houston
Location: Zamunda
Post: #85
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
Apparently, the Silverdome is still around.
08-20-2017 06:25 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Wedge Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 13,727
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 441
I Root For: California
Location: Bear Territory
Post: #86
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
Another fun factoid about KroenkeWorld.

Quote:Sam Farmer‏
@LATimesfarmer

ICYMI, site of stadium Stan Kroenke is building in Inglewood is five acres larger than entire University of Oregon campus.

7:51 PM - 20 Aug 2017
08-20-2017 10:01 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Brookes Owl Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,841
Joined: Sep 2004
Reputation: 108
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location:

The Parliament AwardsCrappiesDonators
Post: #87
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
(08-19-2017 12:28 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm totally dumbfounded as to why the Forum still exists. They have a real problem with tearing down sports facilities in this country.

What's not to understand? It exists because somebody figured how to make money with it. Do you not understand how/why MSG is making money? Or do you just think old things should be torn down?
08-20-2017 10:29 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
_C2_ Offline
The King of Overanalysis
*

Posts: 19,259
Joined: Feb 2008
Reputation: 364
I Root For: Houston
Location: Zamunda
Post: #88
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
The Silverdome and Astrodome are still standing, collecting dust and snow so it enhances my point. It took them a decade to demolish Reunion Arena and Continental Airlines Arena/IZOD is still around for some reason.

You're right but geez it's strange.
08-21-2017 12:42 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Brookes Owl Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,841
Joined: Sep 2004
Reputation: 108
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location:

The Parliament AwardsCrappiesDonators
Post: #89
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
Cities hate to see unused real estate - it's bad for the tax base - but demo is expensive, especially the older and larger the structure gets (my company oversees a fair amount of this). You don't tear something down unless: 1) you have to, or 2) you have something better to put there.
08-21-2017 10:20 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
_C2_ Offline
The King of Overanalysis
*

Posts: 19,259
Joined: Feb 2008
Reputation: 364
I Root For: Houston
Location: Zamunda
Post: #90
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
It almost makes you think...geez, can't they just shoot a missile at it and destroy it?
08-21-2017 11:45 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Wedge Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 13,727
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 441
I Root For: California
Location: Bear Territory
Post: #91
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
(08-21-2017 10:20 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Cities hate to see unused real estate - it's bad for the tax base - but demo is expensive, especially the older and larger the structure gets (my company oversees a fair amount of this). You don't tear something down unless: 1) you have to, or 2) you have something better to put there.

This. Weren't they talking about closing Hollywood Park and building on that land for over 10 years before they actually closed it? Didn't happen until they had the deal with Kroenke. And, I assume, demolishing the structures for a race track costs a lot less than demolishing an old stadium like the Silverdome.
08-21-2017 12:59 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Brookes Owl Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,841
Joined: Sep 2004
Reputation: 108
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location:

The Parliament AwardsCrappiesDonators
Post: #92
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
(08-21-2017 12:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 10:20 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Cities hate to see unused real estate - it's bad for the tax base - but demo is expensive, especially the older and larger the structure gets (my company oversees a fair amount of this). You don't tear something down unless: 1) you have to, or 2) you have something better to put there.

This. Weren't they talking about closing Hollywood Park and building on that land for over 10 years before they actually closed it? Didn't happen until they had the deal with Kroenke. And, I assume, demolishing the structures for a race track costs a lot less than demolishing an old stadium like the Silverdome.

Correct. And the Astrodome is another example of a structure that's been frustrating politicians and bureaucrats for years. They keep bouncing from "refurbish" to "repurpose" to "demolish" but they still don't have a real plan, as far as I know.
08-21-2017 01:52 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
dbackjon Online
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,577
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 196
I Root For: NAU/Illini
Location:
Post: #93
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
(08-21-2017 12:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 10:20 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Cities hate to see unused real estate - it's bad for the tax base - but demo is expensive, especially the older and larger the structure gets (my company oversees a fair amount of this). You don't tear something down unless: 1) you have to, or 2) you have something better to put there.

This. Weren't they talking about closing Hollywood Park and building on that land for over 10 years before they actually closed it? Didn't happen until they had the deal with Kroenke. And, I assume, demolishing the structures for a race track costs a lot less than demolishing an old stadium like the Silverdome.

Phoenix Trotting Park has been sitting empty since the 60's. It was way outside metro phoenix and development is finally giving the land enough value to make demolition worthwhile.

[Image: 350px-Goodyear-Phoenix_Trotting_Park-1965-6.jpg]
08-21-2017 03:32 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
vandiver49 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,692
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 160
I Root For: USNA/UTK
Location: West GA
Post: #94
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
(08-20-2017 06:25 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Apparently, the Silverdome is still around.

You're right. How do you need to delay a demolition? They blow stuff up in Vegas every other week.
08-22-2017 12:11 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
dbackjon Online
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,577
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 196
I Root For: NAU/Illini
Location:
Post: #95
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
(08-22-2017 12:11 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(08-20-2017 06:25 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Apparently, the Silverdome is still around.

You're right. How do you need to delay a demolition? They blow stuff up in Vegas every other week.

Why spend money to blow it up if you don't have a use for the site?

In Vegas, they are replacing old strip casinos with shiny new ones.
08-23-2017 12:51 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
vandiver49 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,692
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 160
I Root For: USNA/UTK
Location: West GA
Post: #96
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
(08-23-2017 12:51 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(08-22-2017 12:11 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(08-20-2017 06:25 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Apparently, the Silverdome is still around.

You're right. How do you need to delay a demolition? They blow stuff up in Vegas every other week.

Why spend money to blow it up if you don't have a use for the site?

In Vegas, they are replacing old strip casinos with shiny new ones.

Its been left in such a state of disrepair for so long that its actually a structural hazard at this point. Knocking it down and clearing the rubble would at least remove that potential hazard.
08-23-2017 02:30 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Brookes Owl Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,841
Joined: Sep 2004
Reputation: 108
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location:

The Parliament AwardsCrappiesDonators
Post: #97
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
They have to weigh cost of current security measures and liability (as well as likelihood) associated with theoretical collapse or potential injuries by trespassers vs the cost to demolish the structure and all its associated liabilities. The latter number, for a stadium, is going to be very large.

Keep in mind that cities don't usually demo these things; developers do. And they do so because they have something to develop that will bring in enough revenue to cover the demo costs.
08-23-2017 05:29 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Wedge Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 13,727
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 441
I Root For: California
Location: Bear Territory
Post: #98
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
(08-23-2017 05:29 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  They have to weigh cost of current security measures and liability (as well as likelihood) associated with theoretical collapse or potential injuries by trespassers vs the cost to demolish the structure and all its associated liabilities. The latter number, for a stadium, is going to be very large.

Keep in mind that cities don't usually demo these things; developers do. And they do so because they have something to develop that will bring in enough revenue to cover the demo costs.

You can see this from both sides in San Diego.

The city sees the stadium with no NFL team as an albatross that costs them $X million a year to maintain with no revenue flowing back to the city. They want a developer to step in and pay for the cost of demolition while ending the annual maintenance cost.

San Diego State's entire stadium strategy, on the other hand, to the extent they have one, is to rely on inertia and gumming up any possible development of the old stadium land with the goal being that the old stadium stays standing for another 20 years or more and SDSU gets to use it for almost free. It might work. The Astrodome has already stayed standing for almost 20 years since the Astros vacated it.
08-23-2017 07:13 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
vandiver49 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,692
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 160
I Root For: USNA/UTK
Location: West GA
Post: #99
Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
(08-23-2017 07:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-23-2017 05:29 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  They have to weigh cost of current security measures and liability (as well as likelihood) associated with theoretical collapse or potential injuries by trespassers vs the cost to demolish the structure and all its associated liabilities. The latter number, for a stadium, is going to be very large.

Keep in mind that cities don't usually demo these things; developers do. And they do so because they have something to develop that will bring in enough revenue to cover the demo costs.

You can see this from both sides in San Diego.

The city sees the stadium with no NFL team as an albatross that costs them $X million a year to maintain with no revenue flowing back to the city. They want a developer to step in and pay for the cost of demolition while ending the annual maintenance cost.

San Diego State's entire stadium strategy, on the other hand, to the extent they have one, is to rely on inertia and gumming up any possible development of the old stadium land with the goal being that the old stadium stays standing for another 20 years or more and SDSU gets to use it for almost free. It might work. The Astrodome has already stayed standing for almost 20 years since the Astros vacated it.

Isn't that situation more a function of SDSU being too cheap to actually buy the stadium property from the city?
08-23-2017 08:02 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Wedge Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 13,727
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 441
I Root For: California
Location: Bear Territory
Post: #100
RE: Will the Clippers join the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood?
(08-23-2017 08:02 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(08-23-2017 07:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-23-2017 05:29 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  They have to weigh cost of current security measures and liability (as well as likelihood) associated with theoretical collapse or potential injuries by trespassers vs the cost to demolish the structure and all its associated liabilities. The latter number, for a stadium, is going to be very large.

Keep in mind that cities don't usually demo these things; developers do. And they do so because they have something to develop that will bring in enough revenue to cover the demo costs.

You can see this from both sides in San Diego.

The city sees the stadium with no NFL team as an albatross that costs them $X million a year to maintain with no revenue flowing back to the city. They want a developer to step in and pay for the cost of demolition while ending the annual maintenance cost.

San Diego State's entire stadium strategy, on the other hand, to the extent they have one, is to rely on inertia and gumming up any possible development of the old stadium land with the goal being that the old stadium stays standing for another 20 years or more and SDSU gets to use it for almost free. It might work. The Astrodome has already stayed standing for almost 20 years since the Astros vacated it.

Isn't that situation more a function of SDSU being too cheap to actually buy the stadium property from the city?

Yeah, if SDSU bought the land at the price a developer would pay, that would seem to solve the situation. But they either can't raise that much money or the university doesn't want to raise money for that purpose, or both. So they're left with the situation where the city wants a developer to buy the land and the university wants to prevent that.
08-23-2017 10:12 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2018 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2018 MyBB Group.