(02-22-2017 10:17 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 10:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So. What?

What percentage of the United States is immigrant?

You're not making much sense by trying to back fill a lie by your President.

What lie? Sweden hasn't had any problems with migrants?

When Trump made his comment, nothing had happened last night in Sweden.

(02-22-2017 10:25 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 10:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So. What?

What percentage of the United States is immigrant?

You're not making much sense by trying to back fill a lie by your President.

Come on Tom, you are usually fairly reasonable. I never addresses any claim by the President, only the events in the article linked.

Riots erupt in neighborhood that is 89% immigrant.
You claim no proof that immigrants or refugees had anything do with it.
Do you really have so little understanding of statistics that you doubt immigrants were involved?

You're missing the point. Of course immigrants were likely involved. That does not mean that this incident had any relation to immigrant issues. There is also no proof of increased crime rates among the immigrant population...at least not here. Have to imagine it's the same in most countries.

(02-22-2017 11:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You're missing the point. Of course immigrants were likely involved. That does not mean that this incident had any relation to immigrant issues. There is also no proof of increased crime rates among the immigrant population...at least not here. Have to imagine it's the same in most countries.

(02-21-2017 04:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Cool story bro. No proof whatsoever that immigrants or refugees had anything at all to do with this, but cool story nonetheless. Thanks for sharing!

Keep up Tom which is it? No proof that immigrants had anything to do with it, or "of course immigrants were likely involved"???

You won't find any proof of increased crime rates by immigrants in Sweden, at least not from an official source because they don't track crime like that.

IT
DOESN'T
MATTER!

Until we know that his was an issue that flared up because of immigration issues, there is nothing to discuss.

If it just happened to be an incident where immigrants were involved, then so what? The same exact thing could have happened with non-immigrants.

Think Ferguson.

There is no credible evidence I've seen anywhere that links immigrants to more crime. Here or in Sweden. If they don't happen to track it, I'm sorry...it doesn't make the point you're trying to make here.

That's ALL I'm saying. At least wait until we have a fact.

And again, that doesn't change the fact that Trump's comments were simply not true!

(02-22-2017 10:22 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  "So. What?"?

First you write

Quote:No proof whatsoever that immigrants or refugees had anything at all to do with this

And then you just respond to the statistics about the make up of the city as "So what?"

Tom, I know you like playing your progressive canards whenever you can, but now you're just intentionally being obtuse, and you know it. You used to be better than that. You know the truth, but you cannot bring yourself to admit it for fearing of WHAT?

He's just moving the goal post a little early, that's all..

(02-22-2017 11:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Until we know that his was an issue that flared up because of immigration issues, there is nothing to discuss.

Rinkeby itself is an immigration issue. It is made up of 90% migrants.

You're either ignorant or completely cucked. Pick one.

(02-22-2017 11:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  IT
DOESN'T
MATTER!

Until we know that his was an issue that flared up because of immigration issues, there is nothing to discuss.

And when we do, you'll call this old news..

Quote:If it just happened to be an incident where immigrants were involved, then so what? The same exact thing could have happened with non-immigrants.

Then show me Tom, Show me this happening with native sweeds.

Quote:Think Ferguson.

Not sweeden

So guys, what caused this issue?

I'll hang up and wait........

(02-22-2017 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So guys, what caused this issue?

I'll hang up and wait........

I'm reading gang turf war.

(02-22-2017 12:19 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So guys, what caused this issue?

I'll hang up and wait........

I'm reading gang turf war.

Source?

(02-22-2017 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So guys, what caused this issue?

I'll hang up and wait........

Swedish Police tried to arrest someone in the subway. Now I wonder what group would openly attack the police for doing their job??? I suppose 30 of the guy's friends could decide to go attack a bunch of cops and burn nearly a dozen vehicles, but common sense would tell you it's a homogeneous group that would respond in such a manner - probably a group that doesn't respect the authority of the police.

(02-22-2017 12:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:19 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So guys, what caused this issue?

I'll hang up and wait........

I'm reading gang turf war.

Source?

Reddit. Often go to that site as when stuff unfolds there are eyewitness live play by play posts, etc. Can't say it's all true, but it does bypass the MSM, which is always good.

LINK

(02-22-2017 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So guys, what caused this issue?

I'll hang up and wait........

Massive, nearly unchecked immigration of people who hate western liberal ideas into a western liberal society. Those people were then housed in what used to be middle class areas, away from the elite globalist who make policy.

Add a touch of "soft policing" and concern about white privileged and you've created hundreds of areas where a native sweeds would into be safe at night.

It's not about race, color, or religion. It's about restricting immigration to people who's culture is amenable to western liberal democratic ideals.

(02-22-2017 12:30 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So guys, what caused this issue?

I'll hang up and wait........

Massive, nearly unchecked immigration of people who hate western liberal ideas into a western liberal society. Those people were then housed in what used to be middle class areas, away from the elite globalist who make policy.

Add a touch of "soft policing" and concern about white privileged and you've created hundreds of areas where a native sweeds would into be safe at night.

It's not about race, color, or religion. It's about restricting immigration to people who's culture is amenable to western liberal democratic ideals.

Nailed it.

+3

(02-22-2017 12:30 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So guys, what caused this issue?

I'll hang up and wait........

Massive, nearly unchecked immigration of people who hate western liberal ideas into a western liberal society. Those people were then housed in what used to be middle class areas, away from the elite globalist who make policy.

Add a touch of "soft policing" and concern about white privileged and you've created hundreds of areas where a native sweeds would into be safe at night.

It's not about race, color, or religion. It's about restricting immigration to people who's culture is amenable to western liberal democratic ideals.

Source....that this caused this particular incident.

(02-22-2017 12:27 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:19 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So guys, what caused this issue?

I'll hang up and wait........

I'm reading gang turf war.

Source?

Reddit. Often go to that site as when stuff unfolds there are eyewitness live play by play posts, etc. Can't say it's all true, but it does bypass the MSM, which is always good.

LINK

Sorry...can't go there. That's like citing this board. Sorry.

(02-22-2017 01:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:27 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:19 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So guys, what caused this issue?

I'll hang up and wait........

I'm reading gang turf war.

Source?

Reddit. Often go to that site as when stuff unfolds there are eyewitness live play by play posts, etc. Can't say it's all true, but it does bypass the MSM, which is always good.

LINK

Sorry...can't go there. That's like citing this board. Sorry.

Whatever dude. I'll take first hand accounts versus anything on this board and MSM has to offer. I'm talking about the worldnews subreddit, not r/funny, etc. You can lead a horse to water, ........ the funny thing is reddit is very very liberal and even I find that particular subreddit useful.

(02-22-2017 01:18 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 01:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:27 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:19 PM)VA49er Wrote:  I'm reading gang turf war.

Source?

Reddit. Often go to that site as when stuff unfolds there are eyewitness live play by play posts, etc. Can't say it's all true, but it does bypass the MSM, which is always good.

LINK

Sorry...can't go there. That's like citing this board. Sorry.

Whatever dude. I'll take first hand accounts versus anything on this board and MSM has to offer. I'm talking about the worldnews subreddit, not r/funny, etc. You can lead a horse to water, ........ the funny thing is reddit is very very liberal and even I find that particular subreddit useful.

First hand accounts from anonymous internet posters. Sure. Enjoy yourself.

(02-22-2017 01:22 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 01:18 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 01:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:27 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Source?

Reddit. Often go to that site as when stuff unfolds there are eyewitness live play by play posts, etc. Can't say it's all true, but it does bypass the MSM, which is always good.

LINK

Sorry...can't go there. That's like citing this board. Sorry.

Whatever dude. I'll take first hand accounts versus anything on this board and MSM has to offer. I'm talking about the worldnews subreddit, not r/funny, etc. You can lead a horse to water, ........ the funny thing is reddit is very very liberal and even I find that particular subreddit useful.

First hand accounts from anonymous internet posters. Sure. Enjoy yourself.

Did you even go to the link? I guess not given the ignorant retort. Anyway, if you bothered, you'd see there were first hand police reports on the incident in that post. Also posts from people that are actually in Sweden and know what the fak is going on. I'd take that any day versus second hand MSM reporting, etc. Sorry, but this arguing the source and not the subject matter is freaking asinine.

(02-22-2017 01:26 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 01:22 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 01:18 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 01:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 12:27 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Reddit. Often go to that site as when stuff unfolds there are eyewitness live play by play posts, etc. Can't say it's all true, but it does bypass the MSM, which is always good.

LINK

Sorry...can't go there. That's like citing this board. Sorry.

Whatever dude. I'll take first hand accounts versus anything on this board and MSM has to offer. I'm talking about the worldnews subreddit, not r/funny, etc. You can lead a horse to water, ........ the funny thing is reddit is very very liberal and even I find that particular subreddit useful.

First hand accounts from anonymous internet posters. Sure. Enjoy yourself.

Did you even go to the link? I guess not given the ignorant retort. Anyway, if you bothered, you'd see there were first hand police reports on the incident in that post. Also posts from people that are actually in Sweden and know what the fak is going on. I'd take that any day versus second hand MSM reporting, etc. Sorry, but this arguing the source and not the subject matter is freaking asinine.

"Can't say it's all true"

Your words.