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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-16-2017 07:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 07:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Its only a loophole if they grant a waiver. They granted a waiver to Liberty because they don't want a religious discrimination lawsuit. That would not be the case with others seeking a waiver.

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The FBS invite rule wouldn't stand up in the case of public institutions either. Nobody wants Youngstown St either, but they have Tressel, Pelini, facilities, fans and a desire.
People are getting all excited. I'd be surprised if we see another.
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-16-2017 07:23 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 07:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 07:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Its only a loophole if they grant a waiver. They granted a waiver to Liberty because they don't want a religious discrimination lawsuit. That would not be the case with others seeking a waiver.

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The FBS invite rule wouldn't stand up in the case of public institutions either. Nobody wants Youngstown St either, but they have Tressel, Pelini, facilities, fans and a desire.
People are getting all excited. I'd be surprised if we see another.

When it happens, the Sun Belt can only blame itself, as they were the ones blocking Liberty.
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
What ark30inf said. (I hope)
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
Well, Delaware State, Eastern Kentucky, Alabama State, North Alabama, SFA, Northern Iowa, Illinois State and maybe Indiana State would want to do the same thing. They all mentioned wanted to be FBS as well.

If North Florida adds football? They could be a target for the Sun Belt as well.
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-16-2017 07:25 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 07:23 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 07:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 07:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Its only a loophole if they grant a waiver. They granted a waiver to Liberty because they don't want a religious discrimination lawsuit. That would not be the case with others seeking a waiver.

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The FBS invite rule wouldn't stand up in the case of public institutions either. Nobody wants Youngstown St either, but they have Tressel, Pelini, facilities, fans and a desire.
People are getting all excited. I'd be surprised if we see another.

When it happens, the Sun Belt can only blame itself, as they were the ones blocking Liberty.

We aren't the land of the misfit toys. We aren't open admission.

Blame us for what? Keeping our conference free from explicit discrimination against Jews, Gays, Muslims, Athiests, Buddhists, Hindus, Agnostics, liberal Protestants, etc.?
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-16-2017 07:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  What ark30inf said. (I hope)

Why are you and ark30 against this? I'm missing something obvious that's potentially bad for your schools right? What is it? At least they aren't going to the SB.
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(02-16-2017 07:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  What ark30inf said. (I hope)

I'm assuming you don't want EKU moving up? I understand.

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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-16-2017 07:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, Delaware State, Eastern Kentucky, Alabama State, North Alabama, SFA, Northern Iowa, Illinois State and maybe Indiana State would want to do the same thing. They all mentioned wanted to be FBS as well.

If North Florida adds football? They could be a target for the Sun Belt as well.

The difference is Liberty can meet FBS standards right now with facilities, attendance, and even FCOA. Most of the schools you listed have major work to do to get up to those levels.
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Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
The Un-Conference:

Idaho
New Mexico State
Cal Poly
UC Davis
UTRGV
UMass
Army
Delaware
Stony Brook
Liberty
James Madison
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-16-2017 07:39 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 07:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, Delaware State, Eastern Kentucky, Alabama State, North Alabama, SFA, Northern Iowa, Illinois State and maybe Indiana State would want to do the same thing. They all mentioned wanted to be FBS as well.

If North Florida adds football? They could be a target for the Sun Belt as well.

The difference is Liberty can meet FBS standards right now with facilities, attendance, and even FCOA. Most of the schools you listed have major work to do to get up to those levels.


Eastern Kentucky, Alabama State, Northern Iowa and Tennessee State all could make the 15,000 limit. SWAC are usually the first in FCS with the best attendance records the past couple of years even though they suck.
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(02-16-2017 07:43 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Un-Conference:

Idaho
New Mexico State
Cal Poly
UC Davis
UTRGV
UMass
Army
Delaware
Stony Brook
Liberty
James Madison


You forgot Youngstown State, Eastern Kentucky, Sam Houston State and Lamar as well. Maybe a North Dakota State as well?
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
I believe the MVC,Southland,OVC,CAA and others would ask those schools to leave their conference if they went FBS. In other words they would indirectly be forced to go Indy in ALL sports.The Big South will most likely let Liberty stay;many other leagues would not.
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-16-2017 07:35 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 07:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  What ark30inf said. (I hope)

Why are you and ark30 against this? I'm missing something obvious that's potentially bad for your schools right? What is it? At least they aren't going to the SB.
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I actually advocated for this when Liberty was seeking SBC membership. They can make it big this way if they do it right. I wish them luck.

But I don't see this as an open doorway for all.
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
(02-16-2017 07:53 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I believe the MVC,Southland,OVC,CAA and others would ask those schools to leave their conference if they went FBS. In other words they would indirectly be forced to go Indy in ALL sports.The Big South will most likely let Liberty stay;many other leagues would not.

Only the Southland forces their schools with fb to play in the Southland. The CAA and MVC have football with a number of affiliates. There is no NCAA rule that forbids a conference from sponsoring both FCS and FBS. Of course, NCAA rules and conference rules can be changed.
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I'm happy they found a way to get it done. Maybe now if they they can make it work we can finally stop talking about no conference wanting them.

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I disagree. I am almost positive the OVC would ask Jacksonville St. to leave if they went FBS indy.
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
Liberty is like the BYU of the East in terms of support and money and now will increase that with the FBS move. They even have their own TV channel like BYU to show games on it.

Schools who play in non football conferences will have a best chance to move up as they don't disturb the conference. I think since the Big South has a few non football members they willing to keep them in the fold. Also, have to think that with the relationship with the A-Sun(?) they are good still with football since the FCS has more flexible rules.
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(02-16-2017 08:13 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I disagree. I am almost positive the OVC would ask Jacksonville St. to leave if they went FBS indy.

If they were forced out the A-Sun would welcome them with open arms.
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(02-16-2017 08:14 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Liberty is like the BYU of the East in terms of support and money and now will increase that with the FBS move. They even have their own TV channel like BYU to show games on it.

Schools who play in non football conferences will have a best chance to move up as they don't disturb the conference. I think since the Big South has a few non football members they willing to keep them in the fold. Also, have to think that with the relationship with the A-Sun(?) they good still with football since the FCS has more flexible rules.

BYU TV is a free station available to people everywhere. I know because I used to watch a western tv show on BYU tv when I had no cable, or Amazon fire stick. I got the 4 major networks, PBS, Telemundo and Univision and a few Christian stations like CBN and TBN. Which one of those is the "Liberty channel"?
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RE: Did rules change on FCS moving up without a conference?
Western Indy League:

Idaho
Montana
Montana St
E Washington
Portland St
Cal Poly
UC Davis
Sacramento St
New Mexico St

Eastern Indy League:
UMass
Stony Brook
James Madison
Liberty
Jacksonville St
Youngstown St
Illinois St
North Dakota St
South Dakota St
Missouri St
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