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(02-16-2017 04:33 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Their diploma mill operations produces truck loads of cash.

Exactly. Liberty isn't another BYU or Baylor. Liberty is another Grand Canyon University. They just beat Grand Canyon in the race to be first to extend their online-education branding to include an FBS football team.
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Well....here comes the floodgates now for Wichita St, UTRGV, JMU.....
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RE: Liberty to FBS
(02-16-2017 04:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:33 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Their diploma mill operations produces truck loads of cash.

Exactly. Liberty isn't another BYU or Baylor. Liberty is another Grand Canyon University. They just beat Grand Canyon in the race to be first to extend their online-education branding to include an FBS football team.

Think what you want about Liberty but they are a regionally accredited university which is the same as any other major university in the country. They are considered "not for profit" and they do have a substantial on campus presence. They are NOT Grand Canyon University.
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(02-16-2017 04:39 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Well....here comes the floodgates now for Wichita St, UTRGV, JMU.....

nah.....none of those can afford to make a move w/o SOME revenue and regional opponent.

NCAA just basically gave Liberty a waiver because they can afford to lose millions/year.
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(02-16-2017 04:42 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:33 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Their diploma mill operations produces truck loads of cash.

Exactly. Liberty isn't another BYU or Baylor. Liberty is another Grand Canyon University. They just beat Grand Canyon in the race to be first to extend their online-education branding to include an FBS football team.

Think what you want about Liberty but they are a regionally accredited university which is the same as any other major university in the country. They are considered "not for profit" and they do have a substantial on campus presence. They are NOT Grand Canyon University.

GCU also has a physical campus with students in attendance. Look 'em up. And every online college that feasts on student loan money has regional accreditation, because that is a prerequisite for those student loans.
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(02-16-2017 04:43 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:39 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Well....here comes the floodgates now for Wichita St, UTRGV, JMU.....

nah.....none of those can afford to make a move w/o SOME revenue and regional opponent.

NCAA just basically gave Liberty a waiver because they can afford to lose millions/year.

Sorry...I didn't mean JMU....NDSU. Wichita St wanting FBS football can now go FBS indy.
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RE: Liberty to FBS
(02-16-2017 04:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:42 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:33 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Their diploma mill operations produces truck loads of cash.

Exactly. Liberty isn't another BYU or Baylor. Liberty is another Grand Canyon University. They just beat Grand Canyon in the race to be first to extend their online-education branding to include an FBS football team.

Think what you want about Liberty but they are a regionally accredited university which is the same as any other major university in the country. They are considered "not for profit" and they do have a substantial on campus presence. They are NOT Grand Canyon University.

GCU also has a physical campus with students in attendance. Look 'em up. And every online college that feasts on student loan money has regional accreditation, because that is a prerequisite for those student loans.

No, there's a dozen or more other accreditations that can get you eligible for Federal aid. Most for-profits are not regionally accredited.
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(02-16-2017 04:47 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:43 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:39 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Well....here comes the floodgates now for Wichita St, UTRGV, JMU.....

nah.....none of those can afford to make a move w/o SOME revenue and regional opponent.

NCAA just basically gave Liberty a waiver because they can afford to lose millions/year.

Sorry...I didn't mean JMU....NDSU. Wichita St wanting FBS football can now go FBS indy.

much more likely that Witchita will replace UConn in the AAC.

NDSU does not have unlimited pockets. They are landlocked until a conference invites them.
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Just because Liberty has a strong online program, doesn't mean it's a sub-par university. And we should especially avoid negative comments because it is a university that teaches religious-based values/traditions. When recruiting, I think they might be able to draw from the large U.S. Evangelical community -- which includes many fine athletes. And those fans may be very loyal to the team. Best of luck to them! Maybe they will defeat ND and BYU some day!!
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Turner Gill comes back... WITH A VENGEANCE!
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This is a lawsuit averted more than anything else. I think it nudges the P5 a little closer to their own division, given the weakness of the NCAA to be any kind of a barrier.

It will be interesting to see if hey can schedule. Will Falwell try to sue schools that refuse to schedule the Flames?
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RE: Liberty to FBS
(02-16-2017 04:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:42 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:33 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Their diploma mill operations produces truck loads of cash.

Exactly. Liberty isn't another BYU or Baylor. Liberty is another Grand Canyon University. They just beat Grand Canyon in the race to be first to extend their online-education branding to include an FBS football team.

Think what you want about Liberty but they are a regionally accredited university which is the same as any other major university in the country. They are considered "not for profit" and they do have a substantial on campus presence. They are NOT Grand Canyon University.

GCU also has a physical campus with students in attendance. Look 'em up. And every online college that feasts on student loan money has regional accreditation, because that is a prerequisite for those student loans.

The idea that they would be considered a diploma mill or that their degrees are somehow less reputable than other religious schools is an exaggeration of the truth.

There are many legitimate reasons to dislike the university for their religious viewpoints. To dislike the university based on the notion that the degrees there are not up to par shouldn't be one of them. They have over 200 program that are accredited and they produce quality students.
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(02-16-2017 04:51 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  Just because Liberty has a strong online program, doesn't mean it's a sub-par university. And we should especially avoid negative comments because it is a university that teaches religious-based values/traditions. When recruiting, I think they might be able to draw from the large U.S. Evangelical community -- which includes many fine athletes. And those fans may be very loyal to the team. Best of luck to them! Maybe they will defeat ND and BYU some day!!

Liberty was about to go bankrupt and go under until Falwell died and left an insurance policy to them. They were also about to lose their accreditation.

Academically strong, they are not.......not at all.

That being said, good on them for selling diplomas. It's been a profitable model.
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(02-16-2017 04:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is a lawsuit averted more than anything else. I think it nudges the P5 a little closer to their own division, given the weakness of the NCAA to be any kind of a barrier.

It will be interesting to see if hey can schedule. Will Falwell try to sue schools that refuse to schedule the Flames?
They'll probably do bodybag games cheaper than the rest of us so should have no problem getting games.
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(02-16-2017 04:54 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  The idea that they would be considered a diploma mill or that their degrees are somehow less reputable than other religious schools is an exaggeration of the truth.

Not really. Reputable literally refers to reputation, which by definition is subjective.


(02-16-2017 04:54 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  They have over 200 program that are accredited and they produce quality students.

And here you have waded into the mud-clear murk pool that is "academics".

Does a school's particular undergraduate program make a person quality? Or does a quality person make a particular undergraduate program look good?

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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(02-16-2017 04:55 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  That being said, good on them for selling diplomas. It's been a profitable model.

Not sure if you're being tongue-in-cheek here, or if you know something that people in Virginia know but the rest of the country doesn't know?

Because technically Liberty is non-profit.
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Please remember that not everyone can afford four years tuition, room and board, and fees at a residential campus. Liberty has probably given many thousands of its graduates the chance to advance their careers and provide for their families.
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(02-16-2017 04:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is a lawsuit averted more than anything else. I think it nudges the P5 a little closer to their own division, given the weakness of the NCAA to be any kind of a barrier.

It will be interesting to see if hey can schedule. Will Falwell try to sue schools that refuse to schedule the Flames?

It's funny, because this move, overdue and well done on Liberty's behalf, I might say, was probably done with a lawyer threatening to sue if the NCAA didn't allow it.

If nobody schedules them, they'll have a lawyer ready for that, too.

And in both cases, they are right to.

These move-up's used to have a bit more merit to them. If Rutgers started the trend against that, Coastal was a step ahead (and there's nothing against either, good job to both for getting there). Folks at these football schools want this to reflect a business, then go right to institutional politics and pettiness when it comes down to it. Liberty's story the last decade or so with CAAF and SoCon. Same for Coastal. **** those conferences.

The rules stink. The politics are putrid.

I am no fan of that institution, but the enemy of my enemy is my ally in this one. Good luck, Liberty. You're going to need it.
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(02-16-2017 04:49 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:42 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:33 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Their diploma mill operations produces truck loads of cash.

Exactly. Liberty isn't another BYU or Baylor. Liberty is another Grand Canyon University. They just beat Grand Canyon in the race to be first to extend their online-education branding to include an FBS football team.

Think what you want about Liberty but they are a regionally accredited university which is the same as any other major university in the country. They are considered "not for profit" and they do have a substantial on campus presence. They are NOT Grand Canyon University.

GCU also has a physical campus with students in attendance. Look 'em up. And every online college that feasts on student loan money has regional accreditation, because that is a prerequisite for those student loans.

No, there's a dozen or more other accreditations that can get you eligible for Federal aid. Most for-profits are not regionally accredited.

Grand Canyon also has regional accreditation. There's no real basis for Liberty to argue they are somehow better.
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(02-16-2017 05:02 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is a lawsuit averted more than anything else. I think it nudges the P5 a little closer to their own division, given the weakness of the NCAA to be any kind of a barrier.

It will be interesting to see if hey can schedule. Will Falwell try to sue schools that refuse to schedule the Flames?

It's funny, because this move, overdue and well done on Liberty's behalf, I might say, was probably done with a lawyer threatening to sue if the NCAA didn't allow it.

If nobody schedules them, they'll have a lawyer ready for that, too.

And in both cases, they are right to.

These move-up's used to have a bit more merit to them. If Rutgers started the trend against that, Coastal was a step ahead. Folks at these schools want this to reflect a business, then go right to institutional politics and pettiness when it comes down to it.

The rules stink. The politics are putrid.

I am no fan of that institution, but the enemy of my enemy is my ally in this one. Good luck, Liberty. You're going to need it.

I guess the work around with the NCAA is why is NMSU, BYU, ND, Army or UMass allow to be Indy but we can't?
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