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RE: Liberty to FBS
(02-16-2017 05:44 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  Hey Guys .... still catching our breath in Flames Nation as this announcement came much quicker than we expected. But the NCAA moved faster than any of us could have imagined.

First off, we have resources to make this happen. We have to schedule three home FBS games in 2018 and we just started making calls today. But we have to get up to the full five game expectation by 2019. Our chancellor just announced int he news conference that we have plans and money to expand the stadium from 19k to 25k right now. But we will probably work to make that bump up to 35k possibly as soon as after the 2017 season. We had planned to move it a long little by little but will likely push forward time schedule.

jdgaucho - That is a big takeaway from the process. Liberty had to really show they were prepared from both facility and resource perspective to gain this exemption. Might be tough for UT-RGV to pull this off based on current facilities and the lack of resources in the Valley.

Congrats! I will be cheering you on!
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What a year.

Trump POTUS

Liberty FBS

Nobody was betting this last November.

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No more excuses for the JMU administration for not moving up. It will be interesting to hear how that develops.
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RE: Liberty to FBS
(02-16-2017 05:47 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  This certainly sets an interesting precedent. I wonder if anyone else will try to go the FBS independent route. I'd love to the see the best of the MVFC and Big Sky move up too. I wouldn't mind seeing 4-6 western schools and 4-6 Midwestern schools form a football league together.
If you have a 20k seater there is a good argument that you belong in FBS.

The question I guess who is next.
(02-16-2017 05:20 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 05:02 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is a lawsuit averted more than anything else. I think it nudges the P5 a little closer to their own division, given the weakness of the NCAA to be any kind of a barrier.

It will be interesting to see if hey can schedule. Will Falwell try to sue schools that refuse to schedule the Flames?

It's funny, because this move, overdue and well done on Liberty's behalf, I might say, was probably done with a lawyer threatening to sue if the NCAA didn't allow it.

If nobody schedules them, they'll have a lawyer ready for that, too.

And in both cases, they are right to.

These move-up's used to have a bit more merit to them. If Rutgers started the trend against that, Coastal was a step ahead (and there's nothing against either, good job to both for getting there). Folks at these football schools want this to reflect a business, then go right to institutional politics and pettiness when it comes down to it. Liberty's story the last decade or so with CAAF and SoCon. Same for Coastal. **** those conferences.

The rules stink. The politics are putrid.

I am no fan of that institution, but the enemy of my enemy is my ally in this one. Good luck, Liberty. You're going to need it.

I have no idea what you are talking about here. What did Rutgers start?

Also I don't know how lawyers will help Liberty schedule games. You can't sue Notre Dame or Ohio State because they wont play you in FB.


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(02-16-2017 05:44 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  We have to schedule three home FBS games in 2018 and we just started making calls today.

I'll be rooting against this.

Nothing against you, personally.
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(02-16-2017 06:00 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  No more excuses for the JMU administration for not moving up. It will be interesting to hear how that develops.

We don't have an invite.

We don't have millions just floating around like LU. Independence is a death knell long term, but Liberty might be able to make it work because they can fund it on the backs of 70,000 online students.

If the MAC would have invited us, we would already be FBS.
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Congrats Liberty and your fans. Nothing wrong with stepping it up, no matter how "late in the game" you are. All the best.
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(02-16-2017 05:30 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Good news / bad news for the WAC.

Bad news - With Liberty being granted this FBS waiver, it could mean the WAC's grandfathered clause is no longer needed. Also if UT-RGV wants football they may be looking for a new home.

Good news - NMSU might be more inclined to stick around.


Just a thought. What if they accept an invitation to the WAC? Might that make things interesting? NMSU, Idaho returns, Liberty, some move ups. Who knows that might happen.
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I'm not sure whether more Idaho fans are on suicide watch or homicide watch right now.
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(02-16-2017 06:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 05:44 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  We have to schedule three home FBS games in 2018 and we just started making calls today.

I'll be rooting against this.

Nothing against you, personally.

We just opened up your long sought after path to FBS and you are cheering against us? Interesting.
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Schools that ought to consider seeking the same waiver:

James Madison
Stony Brook
Youngstown St
Illinois St
Missouri St
North Dakota St
South Dakota St
Wichita St
Jacksonville St
UTRGV
Montana
Montana St
E Washington
Portland St
Sacramento St
UC Davis
Cal Poly
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RE: Liberty to FBS
(02-16-2017 06:34 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 06:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 05:44 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  We have to schedule three home FBS games in 2018 and we just started making calls today.

I'll be rooting against this.

Nothing against you, personally.

We just opened up your long sought after path to FBS and you are cheering against us? Interesting.

I'm for you. I'm always happy when someone kills a silly rule. And the conference invite rule was a very silly rule.
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Add EKU to that list
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(02-16-2017 06:41 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 06:34 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 06:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 05:44 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  We have to schedule three home FBS games in 2018 and we just started making calls today.

I'll be rooting against this.

Nothing against you, personally.

We just opened up your long sought after path to FBS and you are cheering against us? Interesting.

I'm for you. I'm always happy when someone kills a silly rule. And the conference invite rule was a very silly rule.

I agree. If you are willing to pay for the scholarships and have the stadium and attendance you should get to be FBS. Why should you have to get 10-14 to give you permission to do so?!
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(02-16-2017 05:22 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 05:17 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  They'll probably do bodybag games cheaper than the rest of us so should have no problem getting games.

I see problems for them in scheduling. P12, B12, B1G, and MAC simply don't have late season slots even if they were willing to play them. A lot of ACC schools - frankly almost all public P5 schools and many G5 public schools, even a number of the SBC (their presidents were near unanimous in rejecting them) - will refuse to schedule them. The elite privates wont touch them either. Sure a Baylor (if they even have schedule space) and desperate school for November dates like NMSU might schedule them, but it's hard to see a long list. It may cost Georgia $500K more to schedule Kent State, but that is one protest headache a school President and AD don't have to deal with.

Maybe Falwell is hoping President Trump will force Army to create a hole in their schedule (they're booked through 2021) by EO.

The SEC loves to play late season ooc games. They might land a couple of those and front load the schedule with the home games. Anything is possible when money is involved.

LU needs HOME games. My guess is that, initially, they will have to pay for them.
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(02-16-2017 06:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 05:22 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 05:17 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  They'll probably do bodybag games cheaper than the rest of us so should have no problem getting games.

I see problems for them in scheduling. P12, B12, B1G, and MAC simply don't have late season slots even if they were willing to play them. A lot of ACC schools - frankly almost all public P5 schools and many G5 public schools, even a number of the SBC (their presidents were near unanimous in rejecting them) - will refuse to schedule them. The elite privates wont touch them either. Sure a Baylor (if they even have schedule space) and desperate school for November dates like NMSU might schedule them, but it's hard to see a long list. It may cost Georgia $500K more to schedule Kent State, but that is one protest headache a school President and AD don't have to deal with.

Maybe Falwell is hoping President Trump will force Army to create a hole in their schedule (they're booked through 2021) by EO.

The SEC loves to play late season ooc games. They might land a couple of those and front load the schedule with the home games. Anything is possible when money is involved.

LU needs HOME games. My guess is that, initially, they will have to pay for them.

I can very well see them doing a H & H with mid range schools and including a payment to sweeten the pot.
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(02-16-2017 05:04 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:49 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:42 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Exactly. Liberty isn't another BYU or Baylor. Liberty is another Grand Canyon University. They just beat Grand Canyon in the race to be first to extend their online-education branding to include an FBS football team.

Think what you want about Liberty but they are a regionally accredited university which is the same as any other major university in the country. They are considered "not for profit" and they do have a substantial on campus presence. They are NOT Grand Canyon University.

GCU also has a physical campus with students in attendance. Look 'em up. And every online college that feasts on student loan money has regional accreditation, because that is a prerequisite for those student loans.

No, there's a dozen or more other accreditations that can get you eligible for Federal aid. Most for-profits are not regionally accredited.

Grand Canyon also has regional accreditation. There's no real basis for Liberty to argue they are somehow better.

I don't like either. But Grand Canyon is for profit. Liberty is non-profit.

Cheers!
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RE: Liberty to FBS
What is the minimum attendance benchmark for FBS these days?

I note that in 2015, Liberty was #6 in the FCS with average home attendance of 18,990. (#1 Montana had #24K, #4 JMU had 19,498)...

But a lot of the schools on the list of potential call-ups were in the 10K range...or less. That doesn't sound like enough support to merit FBS consideration. Probably cut that list by at least half and probably two-thirds.
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(02-16-2017 07:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  What is the minimum attendance benchmark for FBS these days?

I note that in 2015, Liberty was #6 in the FCS with average home attendance of 18,990. (#1 Montana had #24K, #4 JMU had 19,498)...

But a lot of the schools on the list of potential call-ups were in the 10K range...or less. That doesn't sound like enough support to merit FBS consideration. Probably cut that list by at least half and probably two-thirds.

No one cares about attendance. That rule isn't enforced.
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(02-16-2017 07:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 07:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  What is the minimum attendance benchmark for FBS these days?

I note that in 2015, Liberty was #6 in the FCS with average home attendance of 18,990. (#1 Montana had #24K, #4 JMU had 19,498)...

But a lot of the schools on the list of potential call-ups were in the 10K range...or less. That doesn't sound like enough support to merit FBS consideration. Probably cut that list by at least half and probably two-thirds.

No one cares about attendance. That rule isn't enforced.

The NCAA enforces it during an FBS transition.
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