(02-20-2017 09:18 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 07:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 06:43 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 04:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 02:56 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

Listen, the rest of your post is good stuff and a fine analysis of the situation but Army will never join the Sun Belt. The only conference that I ever see us joining would be the AAC. (One rumor about our AD is he wants us to go to the Ivy League which is why we are scheduling those teams in the future. )

Army is prime rib. The Sun Belt is the bargain shopper. Stay at the Shop n Save.

Army is a dumpster fire.

FBS record

2016: 6-5, with two good upsets over AAC teams and a win at Wake. Good, but not prime rib.
2015: 1-9 vs FBS (only win over a 1 win team). 1-1 vs FCS
2014: 3-7 vs FBS (all 3 wins vs losing records). 1-1 vs FCS including a ROAD loss at a FCS team (who the hell plays at FCS teams????)
2013: 2-9 vs FBS (both wins vs losing record teams). 1-0 vs FCS.
2012: 2-9 vs FBS (both with losing records). 0-1 vs FCS
2011: 2-9 vs FBS (both with losing records) 1-0 vs FCS
2010: 6-6 vs FBS (1 team finished .500, all othes had losing records) 1-0 vs FBS
2009: 4-7 vs FBS (all with awful records). 1-0 vs FCS
2008: 3-8 vs FBS (1 win over a team with a winning record) 0-1 vs FCS
2007: 2-9 vs FBS (all with losing records) 1-0 vs FCS.

FBS record 29-78 in the last 10 years.
FCS record.....7-4.

Dude..in the last 10 years, Army has beaten THREE teams that finished with a winning FBS record

2016 Temple (9-4)
2016 Navy (8-5)
2008 La Tech (8-5)

You lost more games (4) versus FCS than you won versus FBS teams with a winning record.

And I could go back 20 years and it wouldn't look any better for you guys. In the last 20 years, Army has lost 172 football games. Are there any FBS teams that have lost more?

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Prime Rib? BTW, that national championship SEVENTY years ago is as relevant today as Loyola of Chicago's NCAA basketball championship is today.

ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY TWO LOSSES in the last 20 years. If I'm calculating your winning percentage correctly during that time frame, only Charlotte, Georgia State, and Eastern Michigan worse winning percentages if we just look back to 1997-2016.

Tom, you have made me quite sad now. First, a massive headache and now this.

It is actually 3 national championships from over 70 seventy years ago. Something that a Sun Belt team will never have.

And once again, my prime rib comment is referring to our status as an institution and brand name. Not the play on the field. You won't find a bigger critic than me of how Army football was allowed to deteriorate.

Sorry, guy, but if you're gonna come in here and talk smack, expect that you'll have to account for it.

I don't disagree with that. I should have framed and explained my position better in my first post.