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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 06:44 PM)p23570 Wrote:  This has gone from dumb to SEC dumb. That' saying something.

So let's see if we can simplify this using rounded numbers. Say Auburn get a 10m paycheck from the SEC. We assume ESPN gt's it's half making an additional 10 million for a grand total of 20 million in value for Auburn content in the SEC network.

Here are the 2 different opinions.

JR believes that 80% of that valuation comes from football. That means 1 crappy FCS vs Auburn Football game and coaches shows, spring ball, etc... and that all the other non football content is worth about 20% of that.

Does anybody with a firing brain cell beleive an Auburn vs FCS football game and coaches shows is worth 16 million to ESPN? Didn't think so.

I believe that value to a confernce network is based on year round live programming which includes the monthly subscriptions paid and advertizing dollars. This means that Auburn baseball and basketball also provide significant value to ESPN as many games are on the SECN and that amounts to a lot of subscriber fees and advertising income that is outside football season. There is no way that 1 crappy football game is worth over 10 million $ as not that many people watch on TV.

I believe both UConn and BYU provide content that is ideal for conference networks. Popular enough people watch but not something that is going to be on ESPN or ESPN2.

The only thing dumb here is that you keep posting about a dead issue. The issue wasn't one crappy football game. The issue was 1 highly rated basketball game out of a lineup of women's basketball games, mostly blowouts, that nobody cares to see. Nice attempt at a bait and switch. And I didn't call you dumb. So here's how it's going to be here. You may disagree all you desire, but when you make it personal you'll get dinged. Our board doesn't, or shouldn't operate that way. I did not disparage UConn. I did not disparage the Big 12, or Oklahoma, or you personally.

Post all you like, but eliminate the pejoratives please. And no matter how you cut it, or twist it, UConn is not in a P conference because of football deficiency in revenue production. And do your fact checking. Almost every P conference except the PAC derives around 80% of its revenue from football. That is why the ACC is spending to upgrade their football programs. It is why their football programs are having success. It is why the PAC isn't having the success it should. And it is the reason the Big 12 is falling behind. The payout to hold OU and UT in place will dissipate with the end of the present GOR. And adding UConn to any of those conferences would not be a NET positive right now. Maybe someday it will but it doesn't right now. And that is why they are not in a P conference today. Their basketball is wonderful, but basketball doesn't pay the bills and by the ledger provided in one of my posts didn't pay the bills for them in 2016 either.

And just a quick side note. Auburn earned 40.4 million approximately from its TV revenue last year. 20% for basketball which is what was discussed with regard to UConn would 8.08 million, not 16. At least at an engineering school they do cover math. And one game would be 1/30th of that. There are roughly 30 basketball games in a season which made your initial assertion even less believable. Buy the way for those who are mathematically challenged 1 Auburn basketball game is worth about $26,930.00 to the broadcaster under our present contract. Does anyone believe that? You bet, because that's what we get paid. And 1 football game averaged (because they are under different contractual agreements) is worth about 2.76 million. Does anyone believe that? You bet again, because that's what we average getting paid.
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-15-2017 09:20 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 09:02 AM)connecticutguy Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 08:44 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 08:13 AM)connecticutguy Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 08:05 AM)3BNole Wrote:  The major problem for UCONN with the ACC is that their football program would dilute the football product and ACC basketball is already saturated, both men's and women's. At this point in time, there really isn't new that they would bring. If they ever do come in, it would be paired with ND as a full fledged member.

I have nothing but respect for Florida State and their outstanding athletic programs and strong academics. But give UConn football a chance under Head Coach Randy Edsall again. UConn may not be able to beat Florida State or Clemson next fall, but chances are strong the football program will soon be competitive with most of the ACC.
Maybe if Uconn fans spent as much time supporting and helping their really pitiful football team (the only sport that actually matters to the networks cash wise) as they spend whining and fantasizing about the Acc, they may eventually start to help any real and not imaginary chance they have left. As of right now neither of your money sports especially football are helping the AAC let alone the ACC. Prove your worth on the field of play first then maybe someone, anyone may start to take you seriously. 01-wingedeagle. In the meantime try pulling your own weight as a winning football program like a Houston or USF, or Memphis, or,,,get the picture. If you're banking on women's bball, you may be delusional

Wasn't Memphis cut early from consideration by the B12 for joining that conference while several other AAC teams were in it until the end?

Lord knows I'm not trying to start a d!ck measuring contest with you or other UCONN fans but no one was getting a big12 invite. In the end they whipped it out and screwed all of us lol. So when you say "up until the end " ,that is another way you guys are using irrelevant points to prove some type of superiority over a conference full of teams who've learned to stfu and put the real work in, and guess what it's starting to work. Try it for a couple of years then see what p5 is interested. Please there's no need to respond as everyone knows how then skinned you guys are. I just feel kinda bad watching you guys beg others for a chance that you haven't earned yet. Glad you all got a new fball coach though. Goodluck in the future and GO HUSKIES04-cheers

The irony of the bolded is not lost on this UCONN fan.
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 02:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 01:54 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  UCONN sucks/doesn't matter/is insignificant/is non-P5 worthy...yet consistently has the most threads with the greatest amount of views/posts.

Better to be talked about than completely ignored.

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Nobody here with any credibility thinks that UConn sucks. Your post is hyperbole that only obfuscates the issue. You were a recent addition to FBS in football. The program has not matured into one that can average the attendance, or command the TV audience that the Big 10 / SEC / or even ACC would require. Football is 80% plus of most conferences revenue package.

Nobody here thinks UConn is anything but stellar in basketball with regards to both the men's and women's teams. It is solid academically, but it wants to be a part of organizations that derive the vast majority of their income from football. They can't include a program unless that program can at least equal the current contract value of the other schools in the conference.

What you and other Husky fans bemoan and call trolling, or call insulting, or insinuate is a disingenuous stance by others, is merely nothing but a business matter. When UConn athletics pay their own way there will be conferences that want your school in their membership roster. But until that happens they don't.

And that is the long and short of that matter. All of this is about revenue. Add to the revenue and you are in. Detract from the revenue and you are not. And 80% of the revenue is earned on the gridiron! It is what it is and it has absolutely nothing to do with how great you are in that part of athletics that earns 20% or less of a conference's revenue total.

Ahem...Kaplony, XLance, westwolf, Frank the Tank, TerryD, domer, Lumberpack, the majority of Louisville fans, the majority of Rutgers fans...shall I continue? Or will you concede the point?
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 02:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 01:54 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  UCONN sucks/doesn't matter/is insignificant/is non-P5 worthy...yet consistently has the most threads with the greatest amount of views/posts.

Better to be talked about than completely ignored.

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Nobody here with any credibility thinks that UConn sucks. Your post is hyperbole that only obfuscates the issue. You were a recent addition to FBS in football. The program has not matured into one that can average the attendance, or command the TV audience that the Big 10 / SEC / or even ACC would require. Football is 80% plus of most conferences revenue package.

Nobody here thinks UConn is anything but stellar in basketball with regards to both the men's and women's teams. It is solid academically, but it wants to be a part of organizations that derive the vast majority of their income from football. They can't include a program unless that program can at least equal the current contract value of the other schools in the conference.

What you and other Husky fans bemoan and call trolling, or call insulting, or insinuate is a disingenuous stance by others, is merely nothing but a business matter. When UConn athletics pay their own way there will be conferences that want your school in their membership roster. But until that happens they don't.

And that is the long and short of that matter. All of this is about revenue. Add to the revenue and you are in. Detract from the revenue and you are not. And 80% of the revenue is earned on the gridiron! It is what it is and it has absolutely nothing to do with how great you are in that part of athletics that earns 20% or less of a conference's revenue total.

Ahem...Kaplony, XLance, westwolf, Frank the Tank, TerryD, domer, Lumberpack, the majority of Louisville fans, the majority of Rutgers fans...shall I continue? Or will you concede the point?

And in what manner, and in response to what were these slights presented? BTW, I do notice that almost all of them are either ACC or Big 10 guys. Have any PAC, Big 12, or SEC guys run you down?

The reason I ask is because of the bad blood going back to a certain lawsuit. Outside of that UConn has been way too touchy of a subject around here. Perhaps you do deserve your own realignment board.
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 10:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 02:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 01:54 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  UCONN sucks/doesn't matter/is insignificant/is non-P5 worthy...yet consistently has the most threads with the greatest amount of views/posts.

Better to be talked about than completely ignored.

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Nobody here with any credibility thinks that UConn sucks. Your post is hyperbole that only obfuscates the issue. You were a recent addition to FBS in football. The program has not matured into one that can average the attendance, or command the TV audience that the Big 10 / SEC / or even ACC would require. Football is 80% plus of most conferences revenue package.

Nobody here thinks UConn is anything but stellar in basketball with regards to both the men's and women's teams. It is solid academically, but it wants to be a part of organizations that derive the vast majority of their income from football. They can't include a program unless that program can at least equal the current contract value of the other schools in the conference.

What you and other Husky fans bemoan and call trolling, or call insulting, or insinuate is a disingenuous stance by others, is merely nothing but a business matter. When UConn athletics pay their own way there will be conferences that want your school in their membership roster. But until that happens they don't.

And that is the long and short of that matter. All of this is about revenue. Add to the revenue and you are in. Detract from the revenue and you are not. And 80% of the revenue is earned on the gridiron! It is what it is and it has absolutely nothing to do with how great you are in that part of athletics that earns 20% or less of a conference's revenue total.

Ahem...Kaplony, XLance, westwolf, Frank the Tank, TerryD, domer, Lumberpack, the majority of Louisville fans, the majority of Rutgers fans...shall I continue? Or will you concede the point?

And in what manner, and in response to what were these slights presented? BTW, I do notice that almost all of them are either ACC or Big 10 guys. Have any PAC, Big 12, or SEC guys run you down?

The reason I ask is because of the bad blood going back to a certain lawsuit. Outside of that UConn has been way too touchy of a subject around here. Perhaps you do deserve your own realignment board.

My point, which you seemed to miss, is that those posters constantly belittle/denigrate UCONN. Take Terry and domer. They delight in sh*tting on UCONN. Why? No idea. Frank is the worst, IMO. He constantly tells everyone how much UCONN sucks, only he does it in a passive/aggressive way. You, an SEC poster, takes it upon yourself to stifle UCONN fans from engaging in those who think we suck. So there's the SEC fan you're looking for. WVU posters, who aren't really here anymore, would constantly point out our suckiness. So there's your Big 12 fan.
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 02:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 01:54 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  UCONN sucks/doesn't matter/is insignificant/is non-P5 worthy...yet consistently has the most threads with the greatest amount of views/posts.

Better to be talked about than completely ignored.

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Nobody here with any credibility thinks that UConn sucks. Your post is hyperbole that only obfuscates the issue. You were a recent addition to FBS in football. The program has not matured into one that can average the attendance, or command the TV audience that the Big 10 / SEC / or even ACC would require. Football is 80% plus of most conferences revenue package.

Nobody here thinks UConn is anything but stellar in basketball with regards to both the men's and women's teams. It is solid academically, but it wants to be a part of organizations that derive the vast majority of their income from football. They can't include a program unless that program can at least equal the current contract value of the other schools in the conference.

What you and other Husky fans bemoan and call trolling, or call insulting, or insinuate is a disingenuous stance by others, is merely nothing but a business matter. When UConn athletics pay their own way there will be conferences that want your school in their membership roster. But until that happens they don't.

And that is the long and short of that matter. All of this is about revenue. Add to the revenue and you are in. Detract from the revenue and you are not. And 80% of the revenue is earned on the gridiron! It is what it is and it has absolutely nothing to do with how great you are in that part of athletics that earns 20% or less of a conference's revenue total.

Ahem...Kaplony, XLance, westwolf, Frank the Tank, TerryD, domer, Lumberpack, the majority of Louisville fans, the majority of Rutgers fans...shall I continue? Or will you concede the point?

Go ahead and give me a link where I have said UConn sucks. For that matter go ahead and link up the rest as well.

Either back up your claim or retract it.
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 10:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 02:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 01:54 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  UCONN sucks/doesn't matter/is insignificant/is non-P5 worthy...yet consistently has the most threads with the greatest amount of views/posts.

Better to be talked about than completely ignored.

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Nobody here with any credibility thinks that UConn sucks. Your post is hyperbole that only obfuscates the issue. You were a recent addition to FBS in football. The program has not matured into one that can average the attendance, or command the TV audience that the Big 10 / SEC / or even ACC would require. Football is 80% plus of most conferences revenue package.

Nobody here thinks UConn is anything but stellar in basketball with regards to both the men's and women's teams. It is solid academically, but it wants to be a part of organizations that derive the vast majority of their income from football. They can't include a program unless that program can at least equal the current contract value of the other schools in the conference.

What you and other Husky fans bemoan and call trolling, or call insulting, or insinuate is a disingenuous stance by others, is merely nothing but a business matter. When UConn athletics pay their own way there will be conferences that want your school in their membership roster. But until that happens they don't.

And that is the long and short of that matter. All of this is about revenue. Add to the revenue and you are in. Detract from the revenue and you are not. And 80% of the revenue is earned on the gridiron! It is what it is and it has absolutely nothing to do with how great you are in that part of athletics that earns 20% or less of a conference's revenue total.

Ahem...Kaplony, XLance, westwolf, Frank the Tank, TerryD, domer, Lumberpack, the majority of Louisville fans, the majority of Rutgers fans...shall I continue? Or will you concede the point?

Go ahead and give me a link where I have said UConn sucks. For that matter go ahead and link up the rest as well.

Either back up your claim or retract it.

Anytime UCONN to the ACC is mentioned, or BC "blocking" UCONN to the ACC is brought up, or when Louisville was invited over UCONN in 2012.

Shall I go on, or will that suffice?
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 10:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 02:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 01:54 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  UCONN sucks/doesn't matter/is insignificant/is non-P5 worthy...yet consistently has the most threads with the greatest amount of views/posts.

Better to be talked about than completely ignored.

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Nobody here with any credibility thinks that UConn sucks. Your post is hyperbole that only obfuscates the issue. You were a recent addition to FBS in football. The program has not matured into one that can average the attendance, or command the TV audience that the Big 10 / SEC / or even ACC would require. Football is 80% plus of most conferences revenue package.

Nobody here thinks UConn is anything but stellar in basketball with regards to both the men's and women's teams. It is solid academically, but it wants to be a part of organizations that derive the vast majority of their income from football. They can't include a program unless that program can at least equal the current contract value of the other schools in the conference.

What you and other Husky fans bemoan and call trolling, or call insulting, or insinuate is a disingenuous stance by others, is merely nothing but a business matter. When UConn athletics pay their own way there will be conferences that want your school in their membership roster. But until that happens they don't.

And that is the long and short of that matter. All of this is about revenue. Add to the revenue and you are in. Detract from the revenue and you are not. And 80% of the revenue is earned on the gridiron! It is what it is and it has absolutely nothing to do with how great you are in that part of athletics that earns 20% or less of a conference's revenue total.

Ahem...Kaplony, XLance, westwolf, Frank the Tank, TerryD, domer, Lumberpack, the majority of Louisville fans, the majority of Rutgers fans...shall I continue? Or will you concede the point?

And in what manner, and in response to what were these slights presented? BTW, I do notice that almost all of them are either ACC or Big 10 guys. Have any PAC, Big 12, or SEC guys run you down?

The reason I ask is because of the bad blood going back to a certain lawsuit. Outside of that UConn has been way too touchy of a subject around here. Perhaps you do deserve your own realignment board.

No bad blood there. Just stating the facts as presented to me by someone involved in the decision-making process at Clemson University. UConn simply does not bring enough to the table to be a net benefit for the ACC. For all the good that their two basketball programs do their football program will always be a net drain on the rest of the ACC and elevating them to an equal status would hurt two existing members by diluting an already pathetically weak recruiting region. They will never draw in Death Valley nor Doak Campbell, and they aren't going to bring any interest from the bowl committees of any of the better bowls in the next negotiations.

But since we are now in the world of feelings I guess that speaking the truth about UConn isn't allowed because it might hurt the thin skinned UConn fans feelings.
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(02-16-2017 10:26 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 02:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 01:54 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  UCONN sucks/doesn't matter/is insignificant/is non-P5 worthy...yet consistently has the most threads with the greatest amount of views/posts.

Better to be talked about than completely ignored.

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Nobody here with any credibility thinks that UConn sucks. Your post is hyperbole that only obfuscates the issue. You were a recent addition to FBS in football. The program has not matured into one that can average the attendance, or command the TV audience that the Big 10 / SEC / or even ACC would require. Football is 80% plus of most conferences revenue package.

Nobody here thinks UConn is anything but stellar in basketball with regards to both the men's and women's teams. It is solid academically, but it wants to be a part of organizations that derive the vast majority of their income from football. They can't include a program unless that program can at least equal the current contract value of the other schools in the conference.

What you and other Husky fans bemoan and call trolling, or call insulting, or insinuate is a disingenuous stance by others, is merely nothing but a business matter. When UConn athletics pay their own way there will be conferences that want your school in their membership roster. But until that happens they don't.

And that is the long and short of that matter. All of this is about revenue. Add to the revenue and you are in. Detract from the revenue and you are not. And 80% of the revenue is earned on the gridiron! It is what it is and it has absolutely nothing to do with how great you are in that part of athletics that earns 20% or less of a conference's revenue total.

Ahem...Kaplony, XLance, westwolf, Frank the Tank, TerryD, domer, Lumberpack, the majority of Louisville fans, the majority of Rutgers fans...shall I continue? Or will you concede the point?

Go ahead and give me a link where I have said UConn sucks. For that matter go ahead and link up the rest as well.

Either back up your claim or retract it.

Anytime UCONN to the ACC is mentioned, or BC "blocking" UCONN to the ACC is brought up, or when Louisville was invited over UCONN in 2012.

Shall I go on, or will that suffice?

No, you need to give me a link to where I said "UConn sucks" because that is what you claimed.

If it's every time it's brought up it should be simple enough for even you to find.
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 10:23 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 02:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 01:54 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  UCONN sucks/doesn't matter/is insignificant/is non-P5 worthy...yet consistently has the most threads with the greatest amount of views/posts.

Better to be talked about than completely ignored.

[Image: keep-calm-and-be-gone-with-the-wind-fabulous-31.jpg]

Nobody here with any credibility thinks that UConn sucks. Your post is hyperbole that only obfuscates the issue. You were a recent addition to FBS in football. The program has not matured into one that can average the attendance, or command the TV audience that the Big 10 / SEC / or even ACC would require. Football is 80% plus of most conferences revenue package.

Nobody here thinks UConn is anything but stellar in basketball with regards to both the men's and women's teams. It is solid academically, but it wants to be a part of organizations that derive the vast majority of their income from football. They can't include a program unless that program can at least equal the current contract value of the other schools in the conference.

What you and other Husky fans bemoan and call trolling, or call insulting, or insinuate is a disingenuous stance by others, is merely nothing but a business matter. When UConn athletics pay their own way there will be conferences that want your school in their membership roster. But until that happens they don't.

And that is the long and short of that matter. All of this is about revenue. Add to the revenue and you are in. Detract from the revenue and you are not. And 80% of the revenue is earned on the gridiron! It is what it is and it has absolutely nothing to do with how great you are in that part of athletics that earns 20% or less of a conference's revenue total.

Ahem...Kaplony, XLance, westwolf, Frank the Tank, TerryD, domer, Lumberpack, the majority of Louisville fans, the majority of Rutgers fans...shall I continue? Or will you concede the point?

And in what manner, and in response to what were these slights presented? BTW, I do notice that almost all of them are either ACC or Big 10 guys. Have any PAC, Big 12, or SEC guys run you down?

The reason I ask is because of the bad blood going back to a certain lawsuit. Outside of that UConn has been way too touchy of a subject around here. Perhaps you do deserve your own realignment board.

My point, which you seemed to miss, is that those posters constantly belittle/denigrate UCONN. Take Terry and domer. They delight in sh*tting on UCONN. Why? No idea. Frank is the worst, IMO. He constantly tells everyone how much UCONN sucks, only he does it in a passive/aggressive way. You, an SEC poster, takes it upon yourself to stifle UCONN fans from engaging in those who think we suck. So there's the SEC fan you're looking for. WVU posters, who aren't really here anymore, would constantly point out our suckiness. So there's your Big 12 fan.

I've never denigrated UConn or its people. But I am sick and tired of the whining that goes on constantly from several of you, from unsubstantiated claims of bias and victimization which is typical of trolls when they are caught, and of the constant harangue against all things P5.

It's old, it's constant, it's irritating, and it will end. You didn't make it into a P conference because you simply don't add enough revenue wise to make it so. Like I said earlier it is a simple matter of business economics.

You can call that unfair but it is part of the free market. Every school is assessed a value. Frank the Tank does everything pretty much on value and fit. Right now you don't add enough value for the Big 10. You are no fit for the SEC culturally. The PAC is too far. The Big 12 passed. And the ACC doesn't want you because you don't add enough value there. They needed more football creds and they found it in Louisville and by building up existing product.

That's all there is to it, all there will ever be to it. And I'm sorry it didn't work out for you guys but that's life.

I grew up with an old saying. If you have a problem go to a wiser person and share it with them the very first day it becomes a problem. If tomorrow it is still a problem share it again with them and seek their advice. If you still have the problem on day three it is a fact of life. Deal with it.

We are well past day 3. I'd say the issue is a fact of life and we have been listening to a few of you gripe about it for what, 5 years now. Enough!

Nobody here decided that football would be the money sport. The public did, so the advertisers did, so ESPN & FOX did, and it is what it is. Nobody here decided not to invite UConn to a P conference. The presidents and commissioners decided that after consulting the networks about valuation.

That's the extent of the conspiracy against your school. It's a conspiracy of economic facts found and sustained by those who pay for the product. Take up your angst over that with the network execs and leave the posters on this board alone.
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 10:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 02:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 01:54 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  UCONN sucks/doesn't matter/is insignificant/is non-P5 worthy...yet consistently has the most threads with the greatest amount of views/posts.

Better to be talked about than completely ignored.

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Nobody here with any credibility thinks that UConn sucks. Your post is hyperbole that only obfuscates the issue. You were a recent addition to FBS in football. The program has not matured into one that can average the attendance, or command the TV audience that the Big 10 / SEC / or even ACC would require. Football is 80% plus of most conferences revenue package.

Nobody here thinks UConn is anything but stellar in basketball with regards to both the men's and women's teams. It is solid academically, but it wants to be a part of organizations that derive the vast majority of their income from football. They can't include a program unless that program can at least equal the current contract value of the other schools in the conference.

What you and other Husky fans bemoan and call trolling, or call insulting, or insinuate is a disingenuous stance by others, is merely nothing but a business matter. When UConn athletics pay their own way there will be conferences that want your school in their membership roster. But until that happens they don't.

And that is the long and short of that matter. All of this is about revenue. Add to the revenue and you are in. Detract from the revenue and you are not. And 80% of the revenue is earned on the gridiron! It is what it is and it has absolutely nothing to do with how great you are in that part of athletics that earns 20% or less of a conference's revenue total.

Ahem...Kaplony, XLance, westwolf, Frank the Tank, TerryD, domer, Lumberpack, the majority of Louisville fans, the majority of Rutgers fans...shall I continue? Or will you concede the point?

And in what manner, and in response to what were these slights presented? BTW, I do notice that almost all of them are either ACC or Big 10 guys. Have any PAC, Big 12, or SEC guys run you down?

The reason I ask is because of the bad blood going back to a certain lawsuit. Outside of that UConn has been way too touchy of a subject around here. Perhaps you do deserve your own realignment board.

No bad blood there. Just stating the facts as presented to me by someone involved in the decision-making process at Clemson University. UConn simply does not bring enough to the table to be a net benefit for the ACC. For all the good that their two basketball programs do their football program will always be a net drain on the rest of the ACC and elevating them to an equal status would hurt two existing members by diluting an already pathetically weak recruiting region. They will never draw in Death Valley nor Doak Campbell, and they aren't going to bring any interest from the bowl committees of any of the better bowls in the next negotiations.

But since we are now in the world of feelings I guess that speaking the truth about UConn isn't allowed because it might hurt the thin skinned UConn fans feelings.

The irony of the bolded is not lost on this UCONN fan.
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 10:56 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 02:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Nobody here with any credibility thinks that UConn sucks. Your post is hyperbole that only obfuscates the issue. You were a recent addition to FBS in football. The program has not matured into one that can average the attendance, or command the TV audience that the Big 10 / SEC / or even ACC would require. Football is 80% plus of most conferences revenue package.

Nobody here thinks UConn is anything but stellar in basketball with regards to both the men's and women's teams. It is solid academically, but it wants to be a part of organizations that derive the vast majority of their income from football. They can't include a program unless that program can at least equal the current contract value of the other schools in the conference.

What you and other Husky fans bemoan and call trolling, or call insulting, or insinuate is a disingenuous stance by others, is merely nothing but a business matter. When UConn athletics pay their own way there will be conferences that want your school in their membership roster. But until that happens they don't.

And that is the long and short of that matter. All of this is about revenue. Add to the revenue and you are in. Detract from the revenue and you are not. And 80% of the revenue is earned on the gridiron! It is what it is and it has absolutely nothing to do with how great you are in that part of athletics that earns 20% or less of a conference's revenue total.

Ahem...Kaplony, XLance, westwolf, Frank the Tank, TerryD, domer, Lumberpack, the majority of Louisville fans, the majority of Rutgers fans...shall I continue? Or will you concede the point?

And in what manner, and in response to what were these slights presented? BTW, I do notice that almost all of them are either ACC or Big 10 guys. Have any PAC, Big 12, or SEC guys run you down?

The reason I ask is because of the bad blood going back to a certain lawsuit. Outside of that UConn has been way too touchy of a subject around here. Perhaps you do deserve your own realignment board.

No bad blood there. Just stating the facts as presented to me by someone involved in the decision-making process at Clemson University. UConn simply does not bring enough to the table to be a net benefit for the ACC. For all the good that their two basketball programs do their football program will always be a net drain on the rest of the ACC and elevating them to an equal status would hurt two existing members by diluting an already pathetically weak recruiting region. They will never draw in Death Valley nor Doak Campbell, and they aren't going to bring any interest from the bowl committees of any of the better bowls in the next negotiations.

But since we are now in the world of feelings I guess that speaking the truth about UConn isn't allowed because it might hurt the thin skinned UConn fans feelings.

The irony of the bolded is not lost on this UCONN fan.

There is no "irony" it's the only excuse I've heard that is not rooted in business, hence the question. It's a red herring excuse to cry foul and nothing more.
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 10:56 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 02:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Nobody here with any credibility thinks that UConn sucks. Your post is hyperbole that only obfuscates the issue. You were a recent addition to FBS in football. The program has not matured into one that can average the attendance, or command the TV audience that the Big 10 / SEC / or even ACC would require. Football is 80% plus of most conferences revenue package.

Nobody here thinks UConn is anything but stellar in basketball with regards to both the men's and women's teams. It is solid academically, but it wants to be a part of organizations that derive the vast majority of their income from football. They can't include a program unless that program can at least equal the current contract value of the other schools in the conference.

What you and other Husky fans bemoan and call trolling, or call insulting, or insinuate is a disingenuous stance by others, is merely nothing but a business matter. When UConn athletics pay their own way there will be conferences that want your school in their membership roster. But until that happens they don't.

And that is the long and short of that matter. All of this is about revenue. Add to the revenue and you are in. Detract from the revenue and you are not. And 80% of the revenue is earned on the gridiron! It is what it is and it has absolutely nothing to do with how great you are in that part of athletics that earns 20% or less of a conference's revenue total.

Ahem...Kaplony, XLance, westwolf, Frank the Tank, TerryD, domer, Lumberpack, the majority of Louisville fans, the majority of Rutgers fans...shall I continue? Or will you concede the point?

And in what manner, and in response to what were these slights presented? BTW, I do notice that almost all of them are either ACC or Big 10 guys. Have any PAC, Big 12, or SEC guys run you down?

The reason I ask is because of the bad blood going back to a certain lawsuit. Outside of that UConn has been way too touchy of a subject around here. Perhaps you do deserve your own realignment board.

No bad blood there. Just stating the facts as presented to me by someone involved in the decision-making process at Clemson University. UConn simply does not bring enough to the table to be a net benefit for the ACC. For all the good that their two basketball programs do their football program will always be a net drain on the rest of the ACC and elevating them to an equal status would hurt two existing members by diluting an already pathetically weak recruiting region. They will never draw in Death Valley nor Doak Campbell, and they aren't going to bring any interest from the bowl committees of any of the better bowls in the next negotiations.

But since we are now in the world of feelings I guess that speaking the truth about UConn isn't allowed because it might hurt the thin skinned UConn fans feelings.

The irony of the bolded is not lost on this UCONN fan.

Well after seeing your posting history both in here and in the Spin Room I now know you couldn't find the examples you needed to back up your claim and are trying to muddy the water to hide your embarrassment
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 10:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:23 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 02:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Nobody here with any credibility thinks that UConn sucks. Your post is hyperbole that only obfuscates the issue. You were a recent addition to FBS in football. The program has not matured into one that can average the attendance, or command the TV audience that the Big 10 / SEC / or even ACC would require. Football is 80% plus of most conferences revenue package.

Nobody here thinks UConn is anything but stellar in basketball with regards to both the men's and women's teams. It is solid academically, but it wants to be a part of organizations that derive the vast majority of their income from football. They can't include a program unless that program can at least equal the current contract value of the other schools in the conference.

What you and other Husky fans bemoan and call trolling, or call insulting, or insinuate is a disingenuous stance by others, is merely nothing but a business matter. When UConn athletics pay their own way there will be conferences that want your school in their membership roster. But until that happens they don't.

And that is the long and short of that matter. All of this is about revenue. Add to the revenue and you are in. Detract from the revenue and you are not. And 80% of the revenue is earned on the gridiron! It is what it is and it has absolutely nothing to do with how great you are in that part of athletics that earns 20% or less of a conference's revenue total.

Ahem...Kaplony, XLance, westwolf, Frank the Tank, TerryD, domer, Lumberpack, the majority of Louisville fans, the majority of Rutgers fans...shall I continue? Or will you concede the point?

And in what manner, and in response to what were these slights presented? BTW, I do notice that almost all of them are either ACC or Big 10 guys. Have any PAC, Big 12, or SEC guys run you down?

The reason I ask is because of the bad blood going back to a certain lawsuit. Outside of that UConn has been way too touchy of a subject around here. Perhaps you do deserve your own realignment board.

My point, which you seemed to miss, is that those posters constantly belittle/denigrate UCONN. Take Terry and domer. They delight in sh*tting on UCONN. Why? No idea. Frank is the worst, IMO. He constantly tells everyone how much UCONN sucks, only he does it in a passive/aggressive way. You, an SEC poster, takes it upon yourself to stifle UCONN fans from engaging in those who think we suck. So there's the SEC fan you're looking for. WVU posters, who aren't really here anymore, would constantly point out our suckiness. So there's your Big 12 fan.

I've never denigrated UConn or its people. But I am sick and tired of the whining that goes on constantly from several of you, from unsubstantiated claims of bias and victimization which is typical of trolls when they are caught, and of the constant harangue against all things P5.

It's old, it's constant, it's irritating, and it will end. You didn't make it into a P conference because you simply don't add enough revenue wise to make it so. Like I said earlier it is a simple matter of business economics.

You can call that unfair but it is part of the free market. Every school is assessed a value. Frank the Tank does everything pretty much on value and fit. Right now you don't add enough value for the Big 10. You are no fit for the SEC culturally. The PAC is too far. The Big 12 passed. And the ACC doesn't want you because you don't add enough value there. They needed more football creds and they found it in Louisville and by building up existing product.

That's all there is to it, all there will ever be to it. And I'm sorry it didn't work out for you guys but that's life.

I grew up with an old saying. If you have a problem go to a wiser person and share it with them the very first day it becomes a problem. If tomorrow it is still a problem share it again with them and seek their advice. If you still have the problem on day three it is a fact of life. Deal with it.

We are well past day 3. I'd say the issue is a fact of life and we have been listening to a few of you gripe about it for what, 5 years now. Enough!

Nobody here decided that football would be the money sport. The public did, so the advertisers did, so ESPN & FOX did, and it is what it is. Nobody here decided not to invite UConn to a P conference. The presidents and commissioners decided that after consulting the networks about valuation.

That's the extent of the conspiracy against your school. It's a conspiracy of economic facts found and sustained by those who pay for the product. Take up your angst over that with the network execs and leave the posters on this board alone.

No I call that a lie and a bold faced one at that. You speak of UCONN not making into a P5 conference, and the reasons are many. Primarily due to the constant moving of the goalpost (ACC). The Big 12 was never serious and if you think they were, well I've got some Arizona beachfront property to sell you. However the one reason not listed, and won't be because it's just not true, is this comical notion that UCONN doesn't add enough revenue to get a P5 callup.
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 11:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:56 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  Ahem...Kaplony, XLance, westwolf, Frank the Tank, TerryD, domer, Lumberpack, the majority of Louisville fans, the majority of Rutgers fans...shall I continue? Or will you concede the point?

And in what manner, and in response to what were these slights presented? BTW, I do notice that almost all of them are either ACC or Big 10 guys. Have any PAC, Big 12, or SEC guys run you down?

The reason I ask is because of the bad blood going back to a certain lawsuit. Outside of that UConn has been way too touchy of a subject around here. Perhaps you do deserve your own realignment board.

No bad blood there. Just stating the facts as presented to me by someone involved in the decision-making process at Clemson University. UConn simply does not bring enough to the table to be a net benefit for the ACC. For all the good that their two basketball programs do their football program will always be a net drain on the rest of the ACC and elevating them to an equal status would hurt two existing members by diluting an already pathetically weak recruiting region. They will never draw in Death Valley nor Doak Campbell, and they aren't going to bring any interest from the bowl committees of any of the better bowls in the next negotiations.

But since we are now in the world of feelings I guess that speaking the truth about UConn isn't allowed because it might hurt the thin skinned UConn fans feelings.

The irony of the bolded is not lost on this UCONN fan.

Well after seeing your posting history both in here and in the Spin Room I now know you couldn't find the examples you needed to back up your claim and are trying to muddy the water to hide your embarrassment

Still thin skinned I see. I'd be lying if I said I was shocked.
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 11:05 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:23 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  Ahem...Kaplony, XLance, westwolf, Frank the Tank, TerryD, domer, Lumberpack, the majority of Louisville fans, the majority of Rutgers fans...shall I continue? Or will you concede the point?

And in what manner, and in response to what were these slights presented? BTW, I do notice that almost all of them are either ACC or Big 10 guys. Have any PAC, Big 12, or SEC guys run you down?

The reason I ask is because of the bad blood going back to a certain lawsuit. Outside of that UConn has been way too touchy of a subject around here. Perhaps you do deserve your own realignment board.

My point, which you seemed to miss, is that those posters constantly belittle/denigrate UCONN. Take Terry and domer. They delight in sh*tting on UCONN. Why? No idea. Frank is the worst, IMO. He constantly tells everyone how much UCONN sucks, only he does it in a passive/aggressive way. You, an SEC poster, takes it upon yourself to stifle UCONN fans from engaging in those who think we suck. So there's the SEC fan you're looking for. WVU posters, who aren't really here anymore, would constantly point out our suckiness. So there's your Big 12 fan.

I've never denigrated UConn or its people. But I am sick and tired of the whining that goes on constantly from several of you, from unsubstantiated claims of bias and victimization which is typical of trolls when they are caught, and of the constant harangue against all things P5.

It's old, it's constant, it's irritating, and it will end. You didn't make it into a P conference because you simply don't add enough revenue wise to make it so. Like I said earlier it is a simple matter of business economics.

You can call that unfair but it is part of the free market. Every school is assessed a value. Frank the Tank does everything pretty much on value and fit. Right now you don't add enough value for the Big 10. You are no fit for the SEC culturally. The PAC is too far. The Big 12 passed. And the ACC doesn't want you because you don't add enough value there. They needed more football creds and they found it in Louisville and by building up existing product.

That's all there is to it, all there will ever be to it. And I'm sorry it didn't work out for you guys but that's life.

I grew up with an old saying. If you have a problem go to a wiser person and share it with them the very first day it becomes a problem. If tomorrow it is still a problem share it again with them and seek their advice. If you still have the problem on day three it is a fact of life. Deal with it.

We are well past day 3. I'd say the issue is a fact of life and we have been listening to a few of you gripe about it for what, 5 years now. Enough!

Nobody here decided that football would be the money sport. The public did, so the advertisers did, so ESPN & FOX did, and it is what it is. Nobody here decided not to invite UConn to a P conference. The presidents and commissioners decided that after consulting the networks about valuation.

That's the extent of the conspiracy against your school. It's a conspiracy of economic facts found and sustained by those who pay for the product. Take up your angst over that with the network execs and leave the posters on this board alone.

No I call that a lie and a bold faced one at that. You speak of UCONN not making into a P5 conference, and the reasons are many. Primarily due to the constant moving of the goalpost (ACC). The Big 12 was never serious and if you think they were, well I've got some Arizona beachfront property to sell you. However the one reason not listed, and won't be because it's just not true, is this comical notion that UCONN doesn't add enough revenue to get a P5 callup.

They don't. Prove that they do and I'll listen. As for moving goalposts you do realize that every time a conference adds a new school, or a contract is renewed the bar does rise. What a school has to be able to bring in value goes up. The Big 10 and SEC have just about priced themselves out of the realignment game. What I hear is a frustrated individual who wants an object for their anger. We have some around here mouthy enough to provide that target. But most of those you listed are not that kind of folks.

I see this as your problem. The facts are out there on the internet from ratings for events, to market analyses, to revenue earned. That's where the truth exists about your situation.
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 11:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:05 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:23 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  And in what manner, and in response to what were these slights presented? BTW, I do notice that almost all of them are either ACC or Big 10 guys. Have any PAC, Big 12, or SEC guys run you down?

The reason I ask is because of the bad blood going back to a certain lawsuit. Outside of that UConn has been way too touchy of a subject around here. Perhaps you do deserve your own realignment board.

My point, which you seemed to miss, is that those posters constantly belittle/denigrate UCONN. Take Terry and domer. They delight in sh*tting on UCONN. Why? No idea. Frank is the worst, IMO. He constantly tells everyone how much UCONN sucks, only he does it in a passive/aggressive way. You, an SEC poster, takes it upon yourself to stifle UCONN fans from engaging in those who think we suck. So there's the SEC fan you're looking for. WVU posters, who aren't really here anymore, would constantly point out our suckiness. So there's your Big 12 fan.

I've never denigrated UConn or its people. But I am sick and tired of the whining that goes on constantly from several of you, from unsubstantiated claims of bias and victimization which is typical of trolls when they are caught, and of the constant harangue against all things P5.

It's old, it's constant, it's irritating, and it will end. You didn't make it into a P conference because you simply don't add enough revenue wise to make it so. Like I said earlier it is a simple matter of business economics.

You can call that unfair but it is part of the free market. Every school is assessed a value. Frank the Tank does everything pretty much on value and fit. Right now you don't add enough value for the Big 10. You are no fit for the SEC culturally. The PAC is too far. The Big 12 passed. And the ACC doesn't want you because you don't add enough value there. They needed more football creds and they found it in Louisville and by building up existing product.

That's all there is to it, all there will ever be to it. And I'm sorry it didn't work out for you guys but that's life.

I grew up with an old saying. If you have a problem go to a wiser person and share it with them the very first day it becomes a problem. If tomorrow it is still a problem share it again with them and seek their advice. If you still have the problem on day three it is a fact of life. Deal with it.

We are well past day 3. I'd say the issue is a fact of life and we have been listening to a few of you gripe about it for what, 5 years now. Enough!

Nobody here decided that football would be the money sport. The public did, so the advertisers did, so ESPN & FOX did, and it is what it is. Nobody here decided not to invite UConn to a P conference. The presidents and commissioners decided that after consulting the networks about valuation.

That's the extent of the conspiracy against your school. It's a conspiracy of economic facts found and sustained by those who pay for the product. Take up your angst over that with the network execs and leave the posters on this board alone.

No I call that a lie and a bold faced one at that. You speak of UCONN not making into a P5 conference, and the reasons are many. Primarily due to the constant moving of the goalpost (ACC). The Big 12 was never serious and if you think they were, well I've got some Arizona beachfront property to sell you. However the one reason not listed, and won't be because it's just not true, is this comical notion that UCONN doesn't add enough revenue to get a P5 callup.

They don't. Prove that they do and I'll listen.

I don't think you understand. You're the one making the claim they don't add enough revenue and you've yet to prove it. When will you be providing that proof?
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 11:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:05 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:23 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  My point, which you seemed to miss, is that those posters constantly belittle/denigrate UCONN. Take Terry and domer. They delight in sh*tting on UCONN. Why? No idea. Frank is the worst, IMO. He constantly tells everyone how much UCONN sucks, only he does it in a passive/aggressive way. You, an SEC poster, takes it upon yourself to stifle UCONN fans from engaging in those who think we suck. So there's the SEC fan you're looking for. WVU posters, who aren't really here anymore, would constantly point out our suckiness. So there's your Big 12 fan.

I've never denigrated UConn or its people. But I am sick and tired of the whining that goes on constantly from several of you, from unsubstantiated claims of bias and victimization which is typical of trolls when they are caught, and of the constant harangue against all things P5.

It's old, it's constant, it's irritating, and it will end. You didn't make it into a P conference because you simply don't add enough revenue wise to make it so. Like I said earlier it is a simple matter of business economics.

You can call that unfair but it is part of the free market. Every school is assessed a value. Frank the Tank does everything pretty much on value and fit. Right now you don't add enough value for the Big 10. You are no fit for the SEC culturally. The PAC is too far. The Big 12 passed. And the ACC doesn't want you because you don't add enough value there. They needed more football creds and they found it in Louisville and by building up existing product.

That's all there is to it, all there will ever be to it. And I'm sorry it didn't work out for you guys but that's life.

I grew up with an old saying. If you have a problem go to a wiser person and share it with them the very first day it becomes a problem. If tomorrow it is still a problem share it again with them and seek their advice. If you still have the problem on day three it is a fact of life. Deal with it.

We are well past day 3. I'd say the issue is a fact of life and we have been listening to a few of you gripe about it for what, 5 years now. Enough!

Nobody here decided that football would be the money sport. The public did, so the advertisers did, so ESPN & FOX did, and it is what it is. Nobody here decided not to invite UConn to a P conference. The presidents and commissioners decided that after consulting the networks about valuation.

That's the extent of the conspiracy against your school. It's a conspiracy of economic facts found and sustained by those who pay for the product. Take up your angst over that with the network execs and leave the posters on this board alone.

No I call that a lie and a bold faced one at that. You speak of UCONN not making into a P5 conference, and the reasons are many. Primarily due to the constant moving of the goalpost (ACC). The Big 12 was never serious and if you think they were, well I've got some Arizona beachfront property to sell you. However the one reason not listed, and won't be because it's just not true, is this comical notion that UCONN doesn't add enough revenue to get a P5 callup.

They don't. Prove that they do and I'll listen.

I don't think you understand. You're the one making the claim they don't add enough revenue and you've yet to prove it. When will you be providing that proof?

Honestly, look no further than your former conference mate on the banks of the Raritan. We added value to the Big 10. We got an invite. It's relatively simple.
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RE: ESPN Makes Lot of Money Off of UConn Women's Basketball So Why Not Back UConn Into P5
(02-16-2017 11:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 11:05 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:23 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  My point, which you seemed to miss, is that those posters constantly belittle/denigrate UCONN. Take Terry and domer. They delight in sh*tting on UCONN. Why? No idea. Frank is the worst, IMO. He constantly tells everyone how much UCONN sucks, only he does it in a passive/aggressive way. You, an SEC poster, takes it upon yourself to stifle UCONN fans from engaging in those who think we suck. So there's the SEC fan you're looking for. WVU posters, who aren't really here anymore, would constantly point out our suckiness. So there's your Big 12 fan.

I've never denigrated UConn or its people. But I am sick and tired of the whining that goes on constantly from several of you, from unsubstantiated claims of bias and victimization which is typical of trolls when they are caught, and of the constant harangue against all things P5.

It's old, it's constant, it's irritating, and it will end. You didn't make it into a P conference because you simply don't add enough revenue wise to make it so. Like I said earlier it is a simple matter of business economics.

You can call that unfair but it is part of the free market. Every school is assessed a value. Frank the Tank does everything pretty much on value and fit. Right now you don't add enough value for the Big 10. You are no fit for the SEC culturally. The PAC is too far. The Big 12 passed. And the ACC doesn't want you because you don't add enough value there. They needed more football creds and they found it in Louisville and by building up existing product.

That's all there is to it, all there will ever be to it. And I'm sorry it didn't work out for you guys but that's life.

I grew up with an old saying. If you have a problem go to a wiser person and share it with them the very first day it becomes a problem. If tomorrow it is still a problem share it again with them and seek their advice. If you still have the problem on day three it is a fact of life. Deal with it.

We are well past day 3. I'd say the issue is a fact of life and we have been listening to a few of you gripe about it for what, 5 years now. Enough!

Nobody here decided that football would be the money sport. The public did, so the advertisers did, so ESPN & FOX did, and it is what it is. Nobody here decided not to invite UConn to a P conference. The presidents and commissioners decided that after consulting the networks about valuation.

That's the extent of the conspiracy against your school. It's a conspiracy of economic facts found and sustained by those who pay for the product. Take up your angst over that with the network execs and leave the posters on this board alone.

No I call that a lie and a bold faced one at that. You speak of UCONN not making into a P5 conference, and the reasons are many. Primarily due to the constant moving of the goalpost (ACC). The Big 12 was never serious and if you think they were, well I've got some Arizona beachfront property to sell you. However the one reason not listed, and won't be because it's just not true, is this comical notion that UCONN doesn't add enough revenue to get a P5 callup.

They don't. Prove that they do and I'll listen.

I don't think you understand. You're the one making the claim they don't add enough revenue and you've yet to prove it. When will you be providing that proof?

I already have and in this thread and with a link. Basketball is all you have and your men's and women's teams lost 1.6 million in revenue last year. Basketball makes up on average 20% of any conference's revenue. You can google those.

That's about it. Thread closed
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