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(02-13-2017 07:52 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  You're right Lopes. I'm defensive about our Sweet 16. It was great to.es, great crowds and a great team. Didn't realize u were stalking me lopes. Should have come over to say hi. My buddy is from Phoenix and was going for the lopes. Sorry about the comments. No more cult jokes. Not classy. I enjoyed myself. Even went over to Dwayne Russell s grandad to tell him I loved his sons game. However, if someone makes comments about my Aggies, Las Cruces, the claws come out. Loved the halftime show btw gleady. I

Too make my point another (perhaps less douchy) way, let's pretend the 1992 tourney played out differently for NMSU. Let's say they ran the table, cut down the nets, and raised the NCAA trophy over their heads. Hats. Tee shirts. A parade in LC. Everything.

Then, imagine with me it is all taken away by the very same sanctions that the NMSU Sweet 16 team was hit with. 1992 National championship vacated. Now, fast forward to today and please tell me if Aggie fans still refer to that 1992 team as "National Champions".

If your answer is "yes", it might be hard to understand where I am coming from on bringing up NMSU's sanctions and vacated tournament games in a conversation about the 1992 team. If you think, "No, of course I wouldn't call them the National Champions," then the same reasons for answering "no" might be similar to my reasons for the original question.
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(02-13-2017 11:19 PM)gleadley Wrote:  
(02-13-2017 07:52 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  You're right Lopes. I'm defensive about our Sweet 16. It was great to.es, great crowds and a great team. Didn't realize u were stalking me lopes. Should have come over to say hi. My buddy is from Phoenix and was going for the lopes. Sorry about the comments. No more cult jokes. Not classy. I enjoyed myself. Even went over to Dwayne Russell s grandad to tell him I loved his sons game. However, if someone makes comments about my Aggies, Las Cruces, the claws come out. Loved the halftime show btw gleady. I

Too make my point another (perhaps less douchy) way, let's pretend the 1992 tourney played out differently for NMSU. Let's say they ran the table, cut down the nets, and raised the NCAA trophy over their heads. Hats. Tee shirts. A parade in LC. Everything.

Then, imagine with me it is all taken away by the very same sanctions that the NMSU Sweet 16 team was hit with. 1992 National championship vacated. Now, fast forward to today and please tell me if Aggie fans still refer to that 1992 team as "National Champions".

If your answer is "yes", it might be hard to understand where I am coming from on bringing up NMSU's sanctions and vacated tournament games in a conversation about the 1992 team. If you think, "No, of course I wouldn't call them the National Champions," then the same reasons for answering "no" might be similar to my reasons for the original question.

The games were played. The players left their sweat in those game. McCarthy coached the games. The fans attended the games. Maybe looking from the outside in one cans say it didn't happen. But you tell that to the Aggie players who played in those games. And, the Aggie fans who filled the the PAC and attended the NCAA Tournament. Vacated or not, the season happened. It is a shame corners were cut to get a few players eligible but the majority of that team attended classes and did the work. The Las Cruces High school basketball coach (William Benjamin) played on that team. Our center (Chris Hickman) was an extremely good student and is the CEO and founder of a Austin based company called Innovari. Our top assistant coach (Gar Forman) is now the GM of the Chicago Bulls.

Technically, you are right. But until you experience a season (an era) like that, you really can't understand how Aggies fans feel about those teams and those players.
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(02-13-2017 11:56 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(02-13-2017 11:19 PM)gleadley Wrote:  
(02-13-2017 07:52 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  You're right Lopes. I'm defensive about our Sweet 16. It was great to.es, great crowds and a great team. Didn't realize u were stalking me lopes. Should have come over to say hi. My buddy is from Phoenix and was going for the lopes. Sorry about the comments. No more cult jokes. Not classy. I enjoyed myself. Even went over to Dwayne Russell s grandad to tell him I loved his sons game. However, if someone makes comments about my Aggies, Las Cruces, the claws come out. Loved the halftime show btw gleady. I

Too make my point another (perhaps less douchy) way, let's pretend the 1992 tourney played out differently for NMSU. Let's say they ran the table, cut down the nets, and raised the NCAA trophy over their heads. Hats. Tee shirts. A parade in LC. Everything.

Then, imagine with me it is all taken away by the very same sanctions that the NMSU Sweet 16 team was hit with. 1992 National championship vacated. Now, fast forward to today and please tell me if Aggie fans still refer to that 1992 team as "National Champions".

If your answer is "yes", it might be hard to understand where I am coming from on bringing up NMSU's sanctions and vacated tournament games in a conversation about the 1992 team. If you think, "No, of course I wouldn't call them the National Champions," then the same reasons for answering "no" might be similar to my reasons for the original question.

The games were played. The players left their sweat in those game. McCarthy coached the games. The fans attended the games. Maybe looking from the outside in one cans say it didn't happen. But you tell that to the Aggie players who played in those games. And, the Aggie fans who filled the the PAC and attended the NCAA Tournament. Vacated or not, the season happened. It is a shame corners were cut to get a few players eligible but the majority of that team attended classes and did the work. The Las Cruces High school basketball coach (William Benjamin) played on that team. Our center (Chris Hickman) was an extremely good student and is the CEO and founder of a Austin based company called Innovari. Our top assistant coach (Gar Forman) is now the GM of the Chicago Bulls.

Technically, you are right. But until you experience a season (an era) like that, you really can't understand how Aggies fans feel about those teams and those players
.

Actually, I have experienced a season and era like that. I was raised in an ASU family. I attended and graduated from ASU. My first experiences of college basketball were as a Sun Devil fan in the early-mid 90s. Fun teams to watch. Beloved head coach. Hard working players. Sweet 16 run. The whole kitten kaboodle.

Then it was gone. The point-shaving scandal involving Stevin Smith & Isaac Burton rocked ASU. The games were played. The players left their sweat in those games. Bill Freider coached the games. Fans attended those games (I attended those games). The majority of players on that team attended the classes and did the work. It's a shame the actions of 2 players cost the whole team, but they did.

ASU does not celebrate the 1995 Sweet 16 run because those games were vacated. ASU alumni & fans do not hold up that era as the golden days of ASU basketball, mostly because the lack of institutional control during that time is an embarassment to the university. It doesn't make the players bad people. It doesn't make the coaches bad people. It's just the reality of that time in ASU basketball.

However, to call or celebrate that time in ASU's history as anything other than what it was would, for me, feel totally disingenuous.
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(02-14-2017 01:13 AM)gleadley Wrote:  
(02-13-2017 11:56 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(02-13-2017 11:19 PM)gleadley Wrote:  
(02-13-2017 07:52 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  You're right Lopes. I'm defensive about our Sweet 16. It was great to.es, great crowds and a great team. Didn't realize u were stalking me lopes. Should have come over to say hi. My buddy is from Phoenix and was going for the lopes. Sorry about the comments. No more cult jokes. Not classy. I enjoyed myself. Even went over to Dwayne Russell s grandad to tell him I loved his sons game. However, if someone makes comments about my Aggies, Las Cruces, the claws come out. Loved the halftime show btw gleady. I

Too make my point another (perhaps less douchy) way, let's pretend the 1992 tourney played out differently for NMSU. Let's say they ran the table, cut down the nets, and raised the NCAA trophy over their heads. Hats. Tee shirts. A parade in LC. Everything.

Then, imagine with me it is all taken away by the very same sanctions that the NMSU Sweet 16 team was hit with. 1992 National championship vacated. Now, fast forward to today and please tell me if Aggie fans still refer to that 1992 team as "National Champions".

If your answer is "yes", it might be hard to understand where I am coming from on bringing up NMSU's sanctions and vacated tournament games in a conversation about the 1992 team. If you think, "No, of course I wouldn't call them the National Champions," then the same reasons for answering "no" might be similar to my reasons for the original question.

The games were played. The players left their sweat in those game. McCarthy coached the games. The fans attended the games. Maybe looking from the outside in one cans say it didn't happen. But you tell that to the Aggie players who played in those games. And, the Aggie fans who filled the the PAC and attended the NCAA Tournament. Vacated or not, the season happened. It is a shame corners were cut to get a few players eligible but the majority of that team attended classes and did the work. The Las Cruces High school basketball coach (William Benjamin) played on that team. Our center (Chris Hickman) was an extremely good student and is the CEO and founder of a Austin based company called Innovari. Our top assistant coach (Gar Forman) is now the GM of the Chicago Bulls.

Technically, you are right. But until you experience a season (an era) like that, you really can't understand how Aggies fans feel about those teams and those players
.

Actually, I have experienced a season and era like that. I was raised in an ASU family. I attended and graduated from ASU. My first experiences of college basketball were as a Sun Devil fan in the early-mid 90s. Fun teams to watch. Beloved head coach. Hard working players. Sweet Sixteen run. The whole kitten kaboodle.

Then it was gone. The point-shaving scandal involving Stevin Smith & Isaac Burton rocked ASU. The games were played. The players left their sweat in those games. Bill Freider coached the games. Fans attended those games. The majority of players on that team at ended the classes and did the work. It's a shame the actions of 2 players cost the whole team, but they did.

ASU does not celebrate the 1995 Sweet Sixteen run because those games were vacated. ASU alumni & fans do not hold up that era as the golden days of ASU basketball, mostly because the lack of institutional control during that time is an embarassment to the university. It doesn't make the players bad people. It doesn't make the coaches bad people. It's just the reality of that time in ASU basketball.

However, to call or celebrate that time in ASU's history anything other than what it was would, for me, feel totally disingenuous.


So? NMSU doesn't celebrate our 1992 Sweet Sixteen run, but that doesn't mean the fans can't celebrate.
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I would still celebrate it. When you're a mid major you don't get much to celebrate. When you're a P5 team that's a different story.
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It's not the same. As a mid-major, season like the 1992 team are rare. ASU is only a multi-million dollar coach away from having a Sweet Sixteen year again. NMSU will never acknowledge that era but the fans still remember the games and the team.

So, by this train of thought, "technically" the Michigan Fab Five never existed. Chris Webber never got Tee'd up at the end of the National Championship game for calling a timeout when Michigan didn't have one. Heck, Michigan wasn't even there...technically.
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Bringing up the 92 sanctions is just back handed smack talk. Congrats to Lopes and the environment at the games. Celebrate ur successes. Been annoyed with all the Havoc trash talk on Twitter but in the spirit of you is supposed to be your leader I'll try to turn the other cheek. Good luck rest of year and the CIT or CIB tourney which I'm sure you'll be in. Thanks Lopes for coming over to say hello. That was really cool. See u next year at WAC tourney.
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Going back to thread, we will have to see. Stars and being a prospect is one thing but to actually become a star is another. I'm definitely hoping but we will see.
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(02-14-2017 10:40 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Going back to thread, we will have to see. Stars and being a prospect is one thing but to actually become a star is another. I'm definitely hoping but we will see.
I follow baseball much more closely, but its the same story there. We get some guys with great numbers in HS or JC, but it doesnt always translate. Then, sometimes other sleepers really bloom and break out. That's one of the great things about sports IMO, the surprises.

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(02-14-2017 10:40 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Going back to thread, we will have to see. Stars and being a prospect is one thing but to actually become a star is another. I'm definitely hoping but we will see.

Dancing addressing one of your prior posts, I am still very much engaged in this season. I am looking forward to the WAC Tournament. And, I think Ian Baker is a very good player and he will be missed after this season. That being said, like most years, I like to speculate about incoming prospects. It is what keeps hopeful about our future.

If NMSU is going to be successful next season, Weir will need to find a point guard replacement for next season. Ndir could be the heir apparent if he can get fully healthy. However, NMSU also has AJ Harris waiting in the wings. The fact that Harris was recruited by Ohio State and saw some playing time against P5 programs bodes well that he could be a significant help to NMSU at point guard.
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(02-14-2017 09:42 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 10:40 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Going back to thread, we will have to see. Stars and being a prospect is one thing but to actually become a star is another. I'm definitely hoping but we will see.

Dancing addressing one of your prior posts, I am still very much engaged in this season. I am looking forward to the WAC Tournament. And, I think Ian Baker is a very good player and he will be missed after this season. That being said, like most years, I like to speculate about incoming prospects. It is what keeps hopeful about our future.

If NMSU is going to be successful next season, Weir will need to find a point guard replacement for next season. Ndir could be the heir apparent if he can get fully healthy. However, NMSU also has AJ Harris waiting in the wings. The fact that Harris was recruited by Ohio State and saw some playing time against P5 programs bodes well that he could be a significant help to NMSU at point guard.


I thought Sidy Ndir was our best player this season before going down. I would love to see Ndir come off the bench as the back-up at the 1 and 2 positions. If LJ is eligible, it's hard not to see that kid start.
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Has anyone said or know if Sidy qualifies for a hardship waiver? I'm guessing Weir would happily use N'Dir if he comes available in this stretch run. But if he can't go again this year, would be nice if he could get the year back.
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(02-15-2017 10:52 AM)gleadley Wrote:  Has anyone said or know if Sidy qualifies for a hardship waiver? I'm guessing Weir would happily use N'Dir if he comes available in this stretch run. But if he can't go again this year, would be nice if he could get the year back.

He meets the criteria for a medical redshirt. He played in fewer than 30% of the games this year and was medically unable to return. The thing about a medical redshirt is that you can only apply after you have exhausted your eligibility. That means you can only apply after your senior year. So, although the expectation is that he would get a medical redshirt, it will be two more years before a definitive answer can be sought.
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(02-15-2017 10:52 AM)gleadley Wrote:  Has anyone said or know if Sidy qualifies for a hardship waiver? I'm guessing Weir would happily use N'Dir if he comes available in this stretch run. But if he can't go again this year, would be nice if he could get the year back.


He should get the medical redshirt, which would be huge. Not having him right now is coming back to haunt us.
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