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(02-07-2017 11:36 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:04 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 10:39 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Some of you should be hopping we lose every game the rest of the season; that could force Wood's hand

Eh, I don't think that would get him fired. Then he would win 20 games next year and get 3 more years because of the incredible improvement that he made from one season to the next.

In reality, this is the essence of why I am so annoyed with having JJ. If you look at his overall win/loss record here, from an administrator and non serious fan's perspective, you would ask how in the world could you fire him, even after next season. He does enough to keep his job, but to me, it is obvious he will never really elevate the program. Oh and its boring. The only way we get rid of him is if attendance continues to decline. We are way down right now. I think if you get to an average of around 5k, then the admin has to take a long hard look.

Just to break the numbers out. I am going to say we are capable of drawing an average of 7,500 if we had the program rolling.

7500-5000 = 2500 empty seats

2500*15 (I am not sure what avg ticket price is)= $37,500 per game

37,500 * 15 games this year = $562,500 per year

That does not count lost donations, and lower concessions.

I think a half million dollars a year will move the needle.

You don't simply add 2,500 additional spectators without increasing expenses. We'd likely be lucky to average 1/3 the revenue you estimated from a 2,500 ticket increase.

I am not buying that at all. How much increase would we need. All games seem to be staffed the same whether we have 7500 or 5000 there now, so where do all of those expenses come from?

The talk of replacing Jones is silly, because it's simply not going to happen.


But, if you want to talk about up-and-coming, young head coaches, the list starts with guys like Mark Byington, King Rice, LeVelle Moton, and Matt McCall.

(02-07-2017 11:43 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  The talk of replacing Jones is silly, because it's simply not going to happen.


But, if you want to talk about up-and-coming, young head coaches, the list starts with guys like Mark Byington, King Rice, LeVelle Moton, and Matt McCall.

When you really break it down, a lot of the talk on the boards is silly.

(02-07-2017 11:21 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 10:52 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  Here's my two cents on all this, having followed ODU since 1976...

We have regular posters on this site who say the same exact thing each time ODU falls behind in a contest. "Jeff Jones is getting outcoached...Bobby Wilder can't make in-game adjustments...we're losing and this falls squarely on the coach..."

We get it. Apparently Wood Selig is oblivious to all this. It makes me wish that certain poster(s) here would take over the basketball reins because their so-called knowledge of the sport apparently is far superior to anyone Selig has hired or would hire (pardon my sarcasm).

That said, here is my problem with Jones: he is turning out an incredibly boring product.

In my wildest dreams ODU one day makes a run at the Final Four. But in my four decades of watching the Monarchs, we have never even sniffed those heights. And if we are to never get to that level, I'd much rather watch a Sonny Allen-type team running up and down the court and making things exciting.

Jones, IMO, is giving us a plodding (often boring) style of play that is tough to watch. More importantly I don't see his style of coaching as one that appeals to recruits. And lack of 3-4 star recruits means we are stuck where we are: a decent Mid-Major who cannot make the NCAA Tournament on a regular basis.

Point being, I would shed no tears if Jones was replaced. If that were to happen, however, we need someone who can inject some life into the program and excite not only potential recruits, but our fanbase as well. Otherwise, I'm afraid the only regular initials in our future are NIT and CBIT...

This is what we needed after Blaine was fired. But Woody was as oblivious then as he is now.

Not really. Wood tried to get the guy from Fla Gulf Coast and had him all but signed. Wood talked big about hiring an exciting guy just as you described and I guess he was talking about Enfield. Then they made that run in the tournament and he was on his way to the west coast. Wood had all his eggs in the Enfield basket and was left bailing out his friend with an average record at a weak basketball school (AU) that he could get on the cheap. I just hope that loyalty to his friend doesn't wind up killing the program. I was hoping we could have hired a good CAA coach away next time when we moved "up" to CUSA... thats not happening now. Probably couldn't get a Sun Belt or ASun coach either unless we double their salary, which we should be able to do.

Passionate fans that waste time on message boards will always have a majority complaining about the head coach. It's just seems to be the personality...like reading negative reviews. Far less people run to review a restaurant they are happy with than ones they are unhappy with. Just look at our fans; halfway through the season a large portion of the posters on here wanted Wilder gone, claimed him and his assistants were FCS coaches, etc. If fans can't be happy with the job Wilder has done, the level of play you need to achieve on the basketball court will never be "good enough."

Jones has done a really good job. Think most of us want better. The issue is if we would improve with another coach or not. If we replaced him now (no chance of happening unless he sleeps with Woods wife), we risk losing our two highest ranked recruits we have had in the past few years...all due to firing a coach in 1 rebuilding year with a bunch of sophomores.

It doesn't make sense to fire Jones now. If after next year, it doesn't look like we are close to being a tourney team, it might be more understandable.

(02-07-2017 11:43 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  The talk of replacing Jones is silly, because it's simply not going to happen. This year.

FIFY :)

(02-07-2017 11:43 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  The talk of replacing Jones is silly, because it's simply not going to happen.


But, if you want to talk about up-and-coming, young head coaches, the list starts with guys like Mark Byington, King Rice, LeVelle Moton, and Matt McCall.

Unfortunately for me, I agree. I know he isn't fired this year, there is no chance, and I don't think he will be fired next year, very little chance.

How far do you think it goes, assuming the status quo of somewhere around 20 regular season wins, finishing somewhere in the top 4 most years, and no NCAAT?

(02-07-2017 11:51 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:43 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  The talk of replacing Jones is silly, because it's simply not going to happen. This year.

FIFY :)

I do not advocate firing Jones this year. I think all college coaches deserve 5 years to show their worth. But I am sharpening my axe just so it will be ready.

It's not happening next year either. Now, if he doesn't get to the Dance when these sophs are seniors, then the probability goes above 0.

(02-07-2017 12:05 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  It's not happening next year either. Now, if he doesn't get to the Dance when these sophs are seniors, then the probability goes above 0.

Sigh..... thats a very long dry spell for a proud Monarch program. Im with him through next season, but if we underachieve again, I'll be ready for a change. Its certainly possible he turns it around and gets us going in the right direction. I guess theres nothing we can do but wait and see.

Blaine Taylor got us a conference title and a bid by year 4.

Tom Young went 5 years without a bid (1986-1991). Jeff Capel went 4 (1997-2001). Both got the axe.

JJ needs to at least get us in the conversation next year or feel the heat.

(02-07-2017 12:29 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Blaine Taylor got us a conference title and a bid by year 4.

Tom Young went 5 years without a bid (1986-1991). Jeff Capel went 4 (1997-2001). Both got the axe.

JJ needs to at least get us in the conversation next year or feel the heat.

He got us "in the conversation" in Year 2.

(02-07-2017 01:30 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 12:29 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Blaine Taylor got us a conference title and a bid by year 4.

Tom Young went 5 years without a bid (1986-1991). Jeff Capel went 4 (1997-2001). Both got the axe.

JJ needs to at least get us in the conversation next year or feel the heat.

He got us "in the conversation" in Year 2.

And he did a great job in doing so.

That seems like such a long time ago.

(02-07-2017 11:52 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:43 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  The talk of replacing Jones is silly, because it's simply not going to happen.


But, if you want to talk about up-and-coming, young head coaches, the list starts with guys like Mark Byington, King Rice, LeVelle Moton, and Matt McCall.

Unfortunately for me, I agree. I know he isn't fired this year, there is no chance, and I don't think he will be fired next year, very little chance.

How far do you think it goes, assuming the status quo of somewhere around 20 regular season wins, finishing somewhere in the top 4 most years, and no NCAAT?

Why do you want him fired this year? The likelihood is that we lose two players that are everything you are asking for.

(02-07-2017 05:56 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:52 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:43 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  The talk of replacing Jones is silly, because it's simply not going to happen.


But, if you want to talk about up-and-coming, young head coaches, the list starts with guys like Mark Byington, King Rice, LeVelle Moton, and Matt McCall.

Unfortunately for me, I agree. I know he isn't fired this year, there is no chance, and I don't think he will be fired next year, very little chance.

How far do you think it goes, assuming the status quo of somewhere around 20 regular season wins, finishing somewhere in the top 4 most years, and no NCAAT?

Why do you want him fired this year? The likelihood is that we lose two players that are everything you are asking for.

To infinity and beyond!

(02-07-2017 05:56 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:52 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:43 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  The talk of replacing Jones is silly, because it's simply not going to happen.


But, if you want to talk about up-and-coming, young head coaches, the list starts with guys like Mark Byington, King Rice, LeVelle Moton, and Matt McCall.

Unfortunately for me, I agree. I know he isn't fired this year, there is no chance, and I don't think he will be fired next year, very little chance.

How far do you think it goes, assuming the status quo of somewhere around 20 regular season wins, finishing somewhere in the top 4 most years, and no NCAAT?

Why do you want him fired this year? The likelihood is that we lose two players that are everything you are asking for.

I mean, do I want to fire him this year? Yes. Do I think he should be fired this year, not really.

I also think that keeping a coach around because of recruits is a pretty bad idea unless you have an incredible class. If we had three top 100 guys, then I may think twice.... and I don't necessarily think we would lose them either. Its not like every kid that gets recruited by a coach who is fired immediately bails.

Edit. Read your post wrong. I thought you were asking if I wanted him fired this year. I don't think I had previously said that I want him fired this year.

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(02-07-2017 06:47 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 05:56 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:52 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:43 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  The talk of replacing Jones is silly, because it's simply not going to happen.


But, if you want to talk about up-and-coming, young head coaches, the list starts with guys like Mark Byington, King Rice, LeVelle Moton, and Matt McCall.

Unfortunately for me, I agree. I know he isn't fired this year, there is no chance, and I don't think he will be fired next year, very little chance.

How far do you think it goes, assuming the status quo of somewhere around 20 regular season wins, finishing somewhere in the top 4 most years, and no NCAAT?

Why do you want him fired this year? The likelihood is that we lose two players that are everything you are asking for.

I mean, do I want to fire him this year? Yes. Do I think he should be fired this year, not really.

I also think that keeping a coach around because of recruits is a pretty bad idea unless you have an incredible class. If we had three top 100 guys, then I may think twice.... and I don't necessarily think we would lose them either. Its not like every kid that gets recruited by a coach who is fired immediately bails.

Edit. Read your post wrong. I thought you were asking if I wanted him fired this year. I don't think I had previously said that I want him fired this year.

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Maybe I am misunderstanding?

Looking back, I think I have confused myself Haha.

My original post was thinking there is no way he is getting fired anytime soon, meaning the next two or three years.

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I think the point is moot anyway. There is no way he gets fired this year, short of doing something to get himself fired with cause, which JJ is not the guy to do, and I am pretty doubtful that there is any chance he is fired next year, short of a sub .500 season. I will be very upset if he gets an extension this year though.

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(02-07-2017 06:59 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Looking back, I think I have confused myself Haha.

My original post was thinking there is no way he is getting fired anytime soon, meaning the next two or three years.

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Ahhh. Gotcha.