(07-07-2017 12:31 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Obviously Baylor has massive issues

**Had**

Briles is gone. Starr is gone. McCaw is gone. Plaintiffs will get the settlements they deserve.

You can't squeeze blood from a turnip, any more than you can squeeze it from a brick building.

Take a deep breath, then let go. If it makes you feel any better, if/when the Big 12's largest programs find homes elsewhere, Baylor is likely to be left behind.

(07-07-2017 12:39 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 12:31 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Obviously Baylor has massive issues

**Had**

Briles is gone. Starr is gone. McCaw is gone. Plaintiffs will get the settlements they deserve.

You can't squeeze blood from a turnip, any more than you can squeeze it from a brick building.

Take a deep breath, then let go. If it makes you feel any better, if/when the Big 12's largest programs find homes elsewhere, Baylor is likely to be left behind.

I could not care less what happens to Baylor conference-wise or who is still in leadership there.

The only thing I was bringing up is that a settlement is not an admission of anything. Baylor is simply buying out a risk.

(07-07-2017 12:39 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 12:31 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Obviously Baylor has massive issues

**Had**

Briles is gone. Starr is gone. McCaw is gone. Plaintiffs will get the settlements they deserve.

You can't squeeze blood from a turnip, any more than you can squeeze it from a brick building.

Take a deep breath, then let go. If it makes you feel any better, if/when the Big 12's largest programs find homes elsewhere, Baylor is likely to be left behind.

**HAVE**

Once upon a time Dave Bliss, Tom Stanton, and Robert Sloan all left too, after being mired in scandal...

Guess what? It didn't take more than a decade before the new crop became embroiled in a scandal that rivaled that one. Briles, McCaw, and Starr continued the tradition of scandal.

It's about a lot more than buildings... The culture of that University is bad. IT'S ON BAYLOR. 100%

Unless it was the same board that hired those two completely separate administrations, you literally have no point.

And the two different scandals are also completely different and unrelated.


All I can do is laugh, if you actually think there's "something in the water".

(07-07-2017 12:49 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Unless it was the same board that hired those two completely separate administrations, you literally have no point.

And the two different scandals are also completely different and unrelated.


All I can do is laugh, if you actually think there's "something in the water".

lol. You really think this is one big coincidence? Same school within 10 years had 2 of the Top 5 scandals in collegiate sports history?

Go to the Baylor boards... They lay it at the feet of the BOT..

These cover-ups that came to the surface around Waco, that hid those sexual assaults, resulted from the same culture that Dave Bliss tried to tap into with his storytelling. Fortunately an assistant coach was taping his arse and it all came out.

Like I said at the beginning of the post ... unless it was the same board.

If the board is corrupt, and has dirty deals with the Waco PD, then that is a problem.


I still however refuse to believe that Art Briles purposefully sought out and specifically recruited players that he thought were likely to rape and gave them a pitch that they would be given free reign to rape whomever they wanted. That is absurd and ludicrous.

(07-07-2017 01:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Like I said at the beginning of the post ... unless it was the same board.

If the board is corrupt, and has dirty deals with the Waco PD, then that is a problem.


I still however refuse to believe that Art Briles purposefully sought out and specifically recruited players that he thought were likely to rape and gave them a pitch that they would be given free reign to rape whomever they wanted. That is absurd and ludicrous.

This is a very strange quote from his son.

http://larrybrownsports.com/college-foot...ote/347564

That sounds awfully like a pitch.

That has nothing to do with rape. He's talking about consensual relationships.

Minnesota coaches (and every Big Ten coaching staff) could well be saying the exact same thing.


If Briles were giving free passes out to rapists, as a purposeful and specific strategy to recruit players, then why didn't it happen at Houston? You think Ken Starr and the Baylor board invited him over one night and said "Well now Art, here's the thing that you need to do ... to get us some really talented ball players ... " ??

(07-07-2017 01:13 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  That has nothing to do with rape. He's talking about consensual relationships.

Minnesota coaches (and every Big Ten coaching staff) could well be saying the exact same thing.


If Briles were giving free passes out to rapists, as a purposeful and specific strategy to recruit players, then why didn't it happen at Houston? You think Ken Starr and the Baylor board invited him over one night and said "Well now Art, here's the thing that you need to do ... to get us some really talented ball players ... " ??

You're assuming that the person who is processing said pitch is of a consensual mindset.

If you're giving that line to guys who have already been kicked out of their schools (or asked to leave for certain indiscretions) they may process that pitch differently.

It's the receiver of the message that makes all the difference, and they were notorious for taking chances on kids that were off limits elsewhere.

There are lots of reasons for needing a second chance that have nothing to do with sexual assault.

(07-07-2017 01:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  There are lots of reasons for needing a second chance that have nothing to do with sexual assault.

But they didn't weed out the guys with histories of abusing women. Coach Peterson was clear that Briles knew of why Sam Ukwuachu needed to leave.
Even while that was blowing up, Bennett was insisting Ukwuachu would play.
Trust me, you're on the wrong side on this one.

So ... one guy?

(07-07-2017 02:22 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  So ... one guy?

Briles has a history of looking the other way and covering up less than acts by his players/staff.

His issues at UH weren't to the level of the scandal at Baylor but he had a history here to.

Drunk driving is one story I know they surfaced after he was gone.

Its not an active campaign to recruit players likely to commit the acts they did at Baylor, but it was a historical trend to recruit lets call it less than the best citizens.... and doing nothing to discourage unacceptable behavior when you did have them on campus.

At Baylor the stakes were higher so the level of risky decisions went up proportionally.

That is a reasonable post on the matter, Go coogs, and I accept that.

(07-07-2017 01:13 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If Briles were giving free passes out to rapists, as a purposeful and specific strategy to recruit players, then why didn't it happen at Houston?

If you studied it, you would find out most of the rotten apples at Baylor were defensive players.

Briles never had a problem recruiting skill players. But to attract athletes on defense at Baylor, he took a lot of chances on questionable kids.

At Houston, he just outscored people. At Baylor, to win a conference title, he needed a defense too.

Finally, welcome to my ignore list for this little gem:

Unless it was the same board that hired those two completely separate administrations, you literally have no point.

And the two different scandals are also completely different and unrelated.

All I can do is laugh, if you actually think there's "something in the water"

You literally have no clue.

(07-07-2017 06:34 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 01:13 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If Briles were giving free passes out to rapists, as a purposeful and specific strategy to recruit players, then why didn't it happen at Houston?

If you studied it, you would find out most of the rotten apples at Baylor were defensive players.

Briles never had a problem recruiting skill players. But to attract athletes on defense at Baylor, he took a lot of chances on questionable kids.

At Houston, he just outscored people. At Baylor, to win a conference title, he needed a defense too.

Finally, welcome to my ignore list for this little gem:

Unless it was the same board that hired those two completely separate administrations, you literally have no point.

And the two different scandals are also completely different and unrelated.

All I can do is laugh, if you actually think there's "something in the water"

You literally have no clue.

It doesn't have to be the same board. Boards have a tendency to perpetuate themselves. In other words, new board members are chosen because they think like the current members. So, although the faces are different, underneath, the nature of the group remains remarkably similar.

I still say boot Baylor out of the Big 12, and add Houston. Sadly, it seems the Religious schools have the most scandals. SMU. Miami, Florida, BYU, Baylor and so forth. I thought those schools would have moral issues to keep by keeping these types of players out of their schools?

(07-08-2017 02:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I still say boot Baylor out of the Big 12, and add Houston. Sadly, it seems the Religious schools have the most scandals. SMU. Miami, Florida, BYU, Baylor and so forth. I thought those schools would have moral issues to keep by keeping these types of players out of their schools?

Since when is Miami a religious school? When did Florida become religious school? Pretty sure they are secular, Miami is private though .

So forth, SMU happened 30 years ago.

So forth, let us focus on this one religious school and not make crap up.

BYU, LGBT stuff is there decision and their right in my opinion.

(07-07-2017 06:34 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 01:13 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If Briles were giving free passes out to rapists, as a purposeful and specific strategy to recruit players, then why didn't it happen at Houston?

If you studied it, you would find out most of the rotten apples at Baylor were defensive players.

Briles never had a problem recruiting skill players. But to attract athletes on defense at Baylor, he took a lot of chances on questionable kids.

At Houston, he just outscored people. At Baylor, to win a conference title, he needed a defense too.

Finally, welcome to my ignore list for this little gem:

Unless it was the same board that hired those two completely separate administrations, you literally have no point.

And the two different scandals are also completely different and unrelated.

All I can do is laugh, if you actually think there's "something in the water"

You literally have no clue.

I have had him on ignore for months, water taste better and food just seems to go down much better. PSU and Baylor are two programs he defends, interesting choices to fall on the sword for.

(07-08-2017 03:00 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 02:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I still say boot Baylor out of the Big 12, and add Houston. Sadly, it seems the Religious schools have the most scandals. SMU. Miami, Florida, BYU, Baylor and so forth. I thought those schools would have moral issues to keep by keeping these types of players out of their schools?

Since when is Miami a religious school? When did Florida become religious school? Pretty sure they are secular, Miami is private though .

So forth, SMU happened 30 years ago.

So forth, let us focus on this one religious school and not make crap up.

BYU, LGBT stuff is there decision and their right in my opinion.

BYU are having Title 9 issues right now since they are booting rape victims from school claiming they broke the code of conduct on having sex before marriage. Rape is rape, and it has nothing to do with the code of conduct.

Miami-Florida is one. I was not talking about Florida.