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RE: CBS: Big 12 continues to struggle, start with recruiting Texas
Not worth yoru time. LOL. Was that supposed to make you sound tough.

Ironically you are the one who trolled here. You post is an obvious example. Then when you don't like the answer you get you resort to some lame tough guy approach about how valuable your time is.

In reality national championship seasons are really special and don't happen very often for most schools.

Aside form tOSu it's been 20 years since anyone else won a NC in the B1G.
Aside from FSU and Clemson it's been over 15 years since anyone else in the ACC won a NC and that's just Miami. Beyond those schools there is nothing.
PAC hasn't won a NC since 2003. Beyond USC there is nothing.
Big 12 only has 2 since 2000.

So essentially aside from USC, OU, UT, tOSU, FSU, Clemson, and Miami the SEC has won the rest since recruits have been alive.

Funny watching you dish stuff out but not be able to handle getting it back in return. That's the sign of weakness and insecurity.
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RE: CBS: Big 12 continues to struggle, start with recruiting Texas
(02-14-2017 07:52 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Not worth yoru time. LOL. Was that supposed to make you sound tough.

Ironically you are the one who trolled here. You post is an obvious example. Then when you don't like the answer you get you resort to some lame tough guy approach about how valuable your time is.

In reality national championship seasons are really special and don't happen very often for most schools.

Aside form tOSu it's been 20 years since anyone else won a NC in the B1G.
Aside from FSU and Clemson it's been over 15 years since anyone else in the ACC won a NC and that's just Miami. Beyond those schools there is nothing.
PAC hasn't won a NC since 2003. Beyond USC there is nothing.
Big 12 only has 2 since 2000.

So essentially aside from USC, OU, UT, tOSU, FSU, Clemson, and Miami the SEC has won the rest since recruits have been alive.

Funny watching you dish stuff out but not be able to handle getting it back in return. That's the sign of weakness and insecurity.

Oregon went all the way to an NC game vs Auburn, and that wasn't any worse than how Texas fared against 'Bama.
Tell me how well the Big 12 has done outside of Oklahoma & Texas. Name me even one team that even made to the NC game this decade in the Big 12 that wasn't named Oklahoma or Texas. That's what we've all been discussing, and you keep avoiding the subject. Where there's smoke, there is fire, and that is coming from someone who [b]wants[\b] the Big 12 to survive.
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RE: CBS: Big 12 continues to struggle, start with recruiting Texas
(02-14-2017 08:45 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 07:52 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Not worth yoru time. LOL. Was that supposed to make you sound tough.

Ironically you are the one who trolled here. You post is an obvious example. Then when you don't like the answer you get you resort to some lame tough guy approach about how valuable your time is.

In reality national championship seasons are really special and don't happen very often for most schools.

Aside form tOSu it's been 20 years since anyone else won a NC in the B1G.
Aside from FSU and Clemson it's been over 15 years since anyone else in the ACC won a NC and that's just Miami. Beyond those schools there is nothing.
PAC hasn't won a NC since 2003. Beyond USC there is nothing.
Big 12 only has 2 since 2000.

So essentially aside from USC, OU, UT, tOSU, FSU, Clemson, and Miami the SEC has won the rest since recruits have been alive.

Funny watching you dish stuff out but not be able to handle getting it back in return. That's the sign of weakness and insecurity.

Oregon went all the way to an NC game vs Auburn, and that wasn't any worse than how Texas fared against 'Bama.
Tell me how well the Big 12 has done outside of Oklahoma & Texas. Name me even one team that even made to the NC game this decade in the Big 12 that wasn't named Oklahoma or Texas. That's what we've all been discussing, and you keep avoiding the subject. Where there's smoke, there is fire, and that is coming from someone who [b]wants[\b] the Big 12 to survive.
I'm not sure I follow what your point is about ORegon and Texas. Both lost. I dont' really see a distinction.

Thanks for proving my point for me. Essentially aside form the SEC we are talking about 1-2 teams per conference that are actual contenders in recruits lifetimes. The rest are just pretenders.

So in the end we aren't really talking about conferences, we are talking about 8-10 teams, 2 of which are in the Big 12.

Aside from the SEC there hasn't been an elite team outside tOSU, Clemson, and FSU the last 5 years.

The Big 12 is not any deeper or shallower than any of the other non SEC conference. TCU and OkSU have had as good of seasons as you can have without making it in the NC game just like many of the other schools in the PAC and B1G for example have recently.

At the end of the day the Big 12 is not holding any team back just like none of the other p-5 conferences are holding teams back even though we all talk about it each season depending on how the conference does in OOC or during bowls. If you win all the games you get in, Lose 1 you still probably get in. Those seasons just don't come around that often for all but a handful of teams.

The SEC, Clemson, FSU, and tOSU have dominated football for quite some time.

BTW I am not concerned with the Big 12 surviving. I just like pointing out that contrary to some folks like yourself I can look at OU and realize that there is not a better situation as far as access to the playoff than the Big 12. There just isn't. In fact the same is true for FSU and Clemson. Putting yourself in a position to win a conference championship gives any team the best chance at getting in the playoff. The BiG 12 gives OU the best chance for that. OU plays in NY6 bowls very often and we get our fair share of chances at NC's. The Big 12 is not holding OU back in any way. If anything it's helping us by providing the best access to big bowls, CC's, and recruits. Any other conference we win less CC's, play in less NY6 bowls, get worse recruits, and slide off as the next Nebraska or Tennessee.

So the better question is how do you see the Big 12 holding OU back?
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RE: CBS: Big 12 continues to struggle, start with recruiting Texas
LOL. Thanks for the neg rep Dog. That must mean you know I'm right.

It's so funny having the neg rep feature on this site. Essentially when someone is proven wrong they get upset and go write some insult. IT's' quite funny from a psychological standpoint. If you can't debate simply throw a fit.

The bottom line is this.
The last 15 years in the B1G is about tOSU, nobody else has been elite. I can't think of any 1 loss seasons either.
The last 15 years in the Big 12 is about OU and UT. Been a few 1 loss seasons KU, WVU, OkSU, TCU.
The last 15 years the PAC has been about USC with a little bit of Oregon mixed in. Aside from that I can't think of any 1 loss seasons.
The last 15 years in the ACC has been about Clemson and FSU. Mami was good but that was in the BE, not the ACC.
All of these conferences are dominated by 1-2 schools. Glad we got that straight.

The SEC is the only conference who has had multiple elite teams seasons over that period.
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RE: CBS: Big 12 continues to struggle, start with recruiting Texas
(02-15-2017 10:41 AM)p23570 Wrote:  LOL. Thanks for the neg rep Dog. That must mean you know I'm right.

It's so funny having the neg rep feature on this site. Essentially when someone is proven wrong they get upset and go write some insult. IT's' quite funny from a psychological standpoint. If you can't debate simply throw a fit.

The bottom line is this.
The last 15 years in the B1G is about tOSU, nobody else has been elite. I can't think of any 1 loss seasons either.
The last 15 years in the Big 12 is about OU and UT. Been a few 1 loss seasons KU, WVU, OkSU, TCU.
The last 15 years the PAC has been about USC with a little bit of Oregon mixed in. Aside from that I can't think of any 1 loss seasons.
The last 15 years in the ACC has been about Clemson and FSU. Mami was good but that was in the BE, not the ACC.
All of these conferences are dominated by 1-2 schools. Glad we got that straight.

The SEC is the only conference who has had multiple elite teams seasons over that period.

And nobody else besides the SEC has had as many teams contending as the Big 12.
TCU might have had the nation's best team in 2010 AND 2014, but didn't get to prove it on the field, finishing 2nd and 3rd in the final polls those years.
Oklahoma St. deserved a shot at LSU in 2011 more than Alabama who had already lost to them. Didn't get invited. Finished 3rd in final poll.
Baylor had an argument in 2014, but finished 5th in the committee poll. They made a run in 2013 before losing to Ok. St. in mid-November.
Texas Tech was unbeaten and #2 behind Alabama before losing to OU in their final game in 2008.
WVU was in a position to finish #1 in 2007 before losing their final game to Pitt.
Kansas St. was #2 before being upset by Baylor in their next to last game in 2012 and would have finished #2 in 1998 but lost the Big 12 ccg.
Even Kansas made a run in 2007, ranked #2 before losing their final game to #3 Missouri.
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RE: CBS: Big 12 continues to struggle, start with recruiting Texas
(02-14-2017 04:59 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Probably easier to say which ones aren't?

Then indulge us all: which Big 12 football programs are losing attendance and revenue over the last X years?? Let alone "rapidly" losing.
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LOL. I bet he won't answer.
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(02-15-2017 03:55 PM)p23570 Wrote:  LOL. I bet he won't answer.

There is a reason for your -17 rating. You need to figure it out. 04-cheers
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(02-15-2017 04:58 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 03:55 PM)p23570 Wrote:  LOL. I bet he won't answer.

There is a reason for your -17 rating. You need to figure it out. 04-cheers

Whiny butthurt fans like you can't handle the truth. It's hilarious when you look back at who does the negative repping. Mostly Uconn and Louisville posters who give neg rep becasue they are upset and that's the only thing they can do to retaliate. Also funny how some give multiple to show how butthurt they are.

If you want to get upset becasue I point out that there is an investigation into the finances of the YUM center soi be it. It's true and that's why it upsets you. Funny how that works,

And now that other posters are asking for some answers you have nothing to say but personal chatter. So predictable and so pathetic and so Louisville.

But back to the topic at hand which schools in the Big 12 are facing declining attendance and budgets?

Do you see Louisville ever getting past the 4 loss rut you are stuck in now that you are in a p-5 conference?

I'm guessing Cardinal Jim won't answer the question either. You Louisville fans are just trolls who throw out misinformation and when called out you throw a fit like a female dog. CArdinal jim said all the BIg 12 schools are facing declining attendance and budgets in spite of being much richer than the ACC And much better attendance than the ACC.
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(02-09-2017 03:26 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 09:38 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  The Big 12 needs eyes on the TV and a fertile recruiting ground. The conference's recruiting was anemic at best this year. All the states but one in the Big 12 are sparsely populated and all the teams depend on that one state (Texas) for recruits.

BYU & ECU are the best prepared teams to add to the Big12, but doesn't add what the conference needs. If the B12 wants to get in new fertile recruiting territory the four out of five schools to add are UCF & USF in (#1) Florida the state with the most high school football recruits, San Diego St and Fresno St. In (#3) Califorina the state with the most high school football recruits or Cincy in (#5) Ohio with the most high school football recruits.

That would put every team in the B12 conference playing in the top 3 states with the most high school football recruits every year, or if Cincy is one of the four teams selected they would play in the top three states or the fifth state with the most high school recruits.

No other conference would reach into such fertile territory. They have the capibilty to making lemon aid out of the lemons.

What the Big 12 really needs are brands that are capable of sustaining themselves without Texas recruiting. BYU definitely comes to mind because they recruit nationally. The other one, and...I can't believe I'm actually going to say this...(big, big pause here)...is Memphis. Yes, Memphis. I did some research on college football fanbases in the US and I decided to look at some G5 fanbases. Granted, the map (I'll have to find a link to it to show your guys) was kinda old, but East Carolina, UC, Memphis, Houston, and a lot of other G5 teams were there. What jumped out at me is that while Cincy, ECU, and Houston didn't really dominate in any of their zip codes, Memphis actually did dominate in zip codes nearest them. To me, that's worth looking at. Also, Memphis basketball used to go toe-to-toe with Bob Huggins-coached Cincy, Louisville, and Georgetown, and do quite well for themselves. Their football has really started taking off also. UConn has superior basketball, but their football is really, really bad and UConn would be even more out on an island than WVU is on!!! Cincy is a solid brand as well in football, but it doesn't quite have the fanbase that Memphis does/did IMO. Same thing with East Carolina & Houston

I've looked at revenue sports (FB and BB) over the last five years. Memphis is at worst #5 outside power conferences during that period and second to only BYU last year. They also get good TV ratings. Academics is the knock.
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CBS: Big 12 continues to struggle, start with recruiting Texas
I can't see UT ever going to the SEC as long as T A&M is there imo
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