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RE: CBS: Big 12 continues to struggle, start with recruiting Texas
Eight of the last nine seasons -- that's the 2008 season through the 2016 season, excluding only the 2010 season -- Alabama has gone either 7-1 or 8-0 in SEC play.

Five of those eight, they went to the National Championship and won four of those five. The other three, they've gone to the Sugar Bowl and oddly have lost all three, one of which was within the CFP (losing to Ohio St, which won the NC that year).


I have my doubts that Texas can ever reach that level of dominance.
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The Big 12 struggling? Hey, even Kansas now has a Top 10 recruiting class for 2018. For FOOTBALL!!!

(And no, I don't think either that we'd end up finishing as a Top 10 class, or that we'll be able to keep all these kids who have so far made verbal commitments...but c'mon, I'm a Kansas fan, I have to enjoy this news for the brief moment that it's true! 04-cheers)
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(02-07-2017 12:39 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Eight of the last nine seasons -- that's the 2008 season through the 2016 season, excluding only the 2010 season -- Alabama has gone either 7-1 or 8-0 in SEC play.

Five of those eight, they went to the National Championship and won four of those five. The other three, they've gone to the Sugar Bowl and oddly have lost all three, one of which was within the CFP (losing to Ohio St, which won the NC that year).


I have my doubts that Texas can ever reach that level of dominance.
Any school with $ is just a great hire away from a dynasty. Even Texas.

Before Nick bama was garbage. This is about Nick, not Bama.
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(02-06-2017 09:38 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  The Big 12 needs eyes on the TV and a fertile recruiting ground. The conference's recruiting was anemic at best this year. All the states but one in the Big 12 are sparsely populated and all the teams depend on that one state (Texas) for recruits.

BYU & ECU are the best prepared teams to add to the Big12, but doesn't add what the conference needs. If the B12 wants to get in new fertile recruiting territory the four out of five schools to add are UCF & USF in (#1) Florida the state with the most high school football recruits, San Diego St and Fresno St. In (#3) Califorina the state with the most high school football recruits or Cincy in (#5) Ohio with the most high school football recruits.

That would put every team in the B12 conference playing in the top 3 states with the most high school football recruits every year, or if Cincy is one of the four teams selected they would play in the top three states or the fifth state with the most high school recruits.

No other conference would reach into such fertile territory. They have the capibilty to making lemon aid out of the lemons.

What the Big 12 really needs are brands that are capable of sustaining themselves without Texas recruiting. BYU definitely comes to mind because they recruit nationally. The other one, and...I can't believe I'm actually going to say this...(big, big pause here)...is Memphis. Yes, Memphis. I did some research on college football fanbases in the US and I decided to look at some G5 fanbases. Granted, the map (I'll have to find a link to it to show your guys) was kinda old, but East Carolina, UC, Memphis, Houston, and a lot of other G5 teams were there. What jumped out at me is that while Cincy, ECU, and Houston didn't really dominate in any of their zip codes, Memphis actually did dominate in zip codes nearest them. To me, that's worth looking at. Also, Memphis basketball used to go toe-to-toe with Bob Huggins-coached Cincy, Louisville, and Georgetown, and do quite well for themselves. Their football has really started taking off also. UConn has superior basketball, but their football is really, really bad and UConn would be even more out on an island than WVU is on!!! Cincy is a solid brand as well in football, but it doesn't quite have the fanbase that Memphis does/did IMO. Same thing with East Carolina & Houston
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(02-07-2017 12:29 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
(02-05-2017 03:17 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  As I've said multiple times, the Big XII "issues" will be fixed once Texas starts winning again. Oklahoma alone can't carry the conference much less smaller brands like Baylor and TCU. Once Texas wins, the entire state which includes HS recruits will start paying attention. I believe Herman will accomplish that.

EDIT: another Big XII thread started by a Louisville fan. Shocker!

I agree with this. When UT recovers they will have perennial top 10 recruiting classes like they used to. OU and UT are the league's blue bloods and as such they are the only ones who will consistently have top recruiting classes (you never see any non-blue bloods in the top 10-20, partially because the recruiting ranks are an exercise in self fulfilling prophesy). The rest of the league is always going to be in the 25-50 range, and in that sense, this year wasn't a big anomaly. UT struggling is the anomaly.

I also agree that Louisville fans have an obsession with the Big 12, and I don't really blame them. But they are always going to present a glass half full view of the Big 12 because of that bias.

UT had top 10 recruiting classes the last two years. This year it was 25-35 depending on the service. It was a small class (17), new coach and 3 straight years with 7 losses all combined.
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(02-07-2017 12:39 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Eight of the last nine seasons -- that's the 2008 season through the 2016 season, excluding only the 2010 season -- Alabama has gone either 7-1 or 8-0 in SEC play.

Five of those eight, they went to the National Championship and won four of those five. The other three, they've gone to the Sugar Bowl and oddly have lost all three, one of which was within the CFP (losing to Ohio St, which won the NC that year).


I have my doubts that Texas can ever reach that level of dominance.
Any school with $ is just a great hire away from a dynasty. Even Texas.

Before Nick bama was garbage. This is about Nick, not Bama.

Its perhaps the best run in college football history, so it will be hard for anyone to repeat that. FSU 87-01 was pretty phenomenal, but they kept kicking wide right.
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(02-09-2017 10:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 10:58 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
(02-07-2017 12:39 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Eight of the last nine seasons -- that's the 2008 season through the 2016 season, excluding only the 2010 season -- Alabama has gone either 7-1 or 8-0 in SEC play.

Five of those eight, they went to the National Championship and won four of those five. The other three, they've gone to the Sugar Bowl and oddly have lost all three, one of which was within the CFP (losing to Ohio St, which won the NC that year).


I have my doubts that Texas can ever reach that level of dominance.
Any school with $ is just a great hire away from a dynasty. Even Texas.

Before Nick bama was garbage. This is about Nick, not Bama.

Its perhaps the best run in college football history, so it will be hard for anyone to repeat that. FSU 87-01 was pretty phenomenal, but they kept kicking wide right.
There have been plenty of great runs in college football. Meyer had a nice one in Florida. There will certainly be more in the future. Any school with the resources is just a great coach and 1 special player away from a NC run. See Auburn.

That seems to be what's so special about Saban is he does it with different people every season.
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Seems the B12 days are numbered.

The death blow would be Texas and Oklahoma joining the Big 10, PAC 12, or SEC. Leaving West Virginia, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor and Texas Tech. So the question is will the left overs be taken also? Looks like to me that this could happen:

Big 10: Kansas and Oklahoma.
SEC: Oklahoma State and Kansas State.
PAC 12: Texas and Texas Tech.
The American: West Virginia and TCU.
CUSA: Iowa State and Baylor.
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(02-09-2017 10:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  Its perhaps the best run in college football history, so it will be hard for anyone to repeat that. FSU 87-01 was pretty phenomenal, but they kept kicking wide right.

Saw an article today about how Herman is looking for a facilities facelift at Austin, new locker room, updated weight room, etc.

I doubt adds much functionally, but would be something like adding some "shine", relative to the lavishness of Oregon and Alabama's facilities.


It's hard for me to feel like that is Texas's "problem", if they have a "problem", per se, if not going 9-0 in the Big 12 and being in the CFP, every year, can be viewed as a "problem".
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(02-09-2017 11:16 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Seems the B12 days are numbered.
LOL. Based on What exactly?

You do realize that OU earns as much as the SEC and B1G, and has the best access to the playoff as well as access to our alumni in Texas right? OU has every opportunity and just had to beat Houston to be in the playoff this season. We had our shot and blew it, had nothing to do with the conference. So we played in the Sugar bowl and got to beat another SEC team. Before that we were in the playoff and final 4 in BB. Play in a NY6 bowl just about every year it seems. Top 10 recruiting class. Yea it sucks.

You literally couldn't draw up a better setup fopr OU unless you added 2 members to get to 12 and a partnership in the PACN.
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05-stirthepot How many Big 12 teams have been included in the P5 playoff?
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The Big 12 schools will have just as good of access to the playoff as the other p-5 conferences starting this year with the CCG. That was really the issue with the TCU/Baylor co champ (1 true champion) cluster f. For OU it's probably going to actually hurt our chances as we will get the benefit of the doubt more times than not. All OU had to do this year was beat Houston.

Go undefeated you are in
Lose 1 game and you are probably in
Lose 2 games and you still have a shot.
Being a CC improves odds in any scenario.

Makes little if any difference in what conference you are in. You can pretty much just forge the names of the schools and just ask which p-5 schools were undefeated or had 1 loss and also CC's. They are going to be in.

I think we are going to find that the same teams are in the playoff and NY6 bowls most seasons. Most schools who have a solid history during the BCS era will have a great shot as a conference champ.

Considering that Louisville has had at least 4 losses every season since joining a p-5 conference I don't think you probably need to be worrying about it much as there has never been a Louisville team who would have made the playoff in the history of Louisville football. Even with a heisman candidate QB on several occasions There are only 2 schools in the ACC with playoff potential with V-Tech and Miami being the most likely longshots.
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ESPN plays some pretty dirty pool though. Check out this post:

(02-13-2017 11:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-13-2017 02:25 PM)green Wrote:  
(02-13-2017 02:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  As for the hipsters in Austin they've been in serious discussions with the SEC on three occasions since '91.

http://www.espn.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/8...sion-teams

I'm thinking bigger. I'm thinking the program that invented swagger, the program that has won five national championships in the last 30 years, the program that nearly joined the SEC in 1990 when the league first expanded.

I'm thinking Miami.
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Miami was kicked around in '90 when the SEC was evaluating how to move going forward. You were in the battleground contingency that Jackie Sherrill has mentioned several times. It was a 20 team scenario in case once we moved the Big 10 tried a massive drive East and then down the coast.

What we finally decided to shoot for in '91 was Texas, A&M, Florida State, Arkansas, Clemson, and a distant interest from Oklahoma if Texas made the move.

We got 1 of 6. Texas wanted to check out the PAC for the first time. A&M got bogged down in politics (but the dialogue continued off and on until they joined). OU pulled out when Texas failed to commit. Bowden took FSU to ESPN and the ACC. The thing is ESPN was likely behind that and knew the details of the SEC offer because we naively went to them for valuations. The Mouse was just beginning to build the ACC. Clemson was always tepid, and probably interested only to spy, but when one of their boosters recounted the details to a buddy of his who was a S. Carolina guy the word spread and the Gamecocks applied.

So the whole thing was touted as a whopping success because we expanded into two bridge states to future targets, got our 12 schools and two divisions that led to the CCG, and looked to the public like world beaters. And we were. But lost in the shuffle was the fact that ESPN may have been an undermining factor, and the two big fish and their buddy got away.

Well here we are today and we are in South Carolina so not having Clemson is okay. We have Texas A&M and that completes another goal. Missouri was sort of an ESPN suggestion worked through A&M and Florida as I hear it. But that's a nice new market for the SEC. Where we lost out was in failing to acquire a second Florida school. I don't think we will make that mistake in Texas. But at least there we don't have to take a second Texas school to accomplish a victory. Oklahoma gives us all we need in DFW.

The only knock on the Canes was distance. We were still in a driving mentality in '91. We had a shot at Virginia Tech in '91 as well but passed due to distance. Now with ESPN backing both the ACC & SEC largely any movement between the two of us is anathema to them. So we look West.

Couple that with this:

Remember the condition of the SWC when Texas, TAMU, Baylor, & Texas Tech bolted? Attendance rapidly declining at several school, scandals, schools with fading fortunes, etc. Could we not say the same of the Big 12? Replace SMU with Baylor, and I can see a lot of similarities between the Big 12 and the SWC.

IMO, the Big 12's one saving grace right now is the Longhorn Network. But when that goes under, the Mouse will turn into a shark. I wish I knew of a way to thwart ESPN.
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(02-14-2017 12:42 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  ESPN plays some pretty dirty pool though. Check out this post:

(02-13-2017 11:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-13-2017 02:25 PM)green Wrote:  
(02-13-2017 02:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  As for the hipsters in Austin they've been in serious discussions with the SEC on three occasions since '91.

http://www.espn.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/8...sion-teams

I'm thinking bigger. I'm thinking the program that invented swagger, the program that has won five national championships in the last 30 years, the program that nearly joined the SEC in 1990 when the league first expanded.

I'm thinking Miami.
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Miami was kicked around in '90 when the SEC was evaluating how to move going forward. You were in the battleground contingency that Jackie Sherrill has mentioned several times. It was a 20 team scenario in case once we moved the Big 10 tried a massive drive East and then down the coast.

What we finally decided to shoot for in '91 was Texas, A&M, Florida State, Arkansas, Clemson, and a distant interest from Oklahoma if Texas made the move.

We got 1 of 6. Texas wanted to check out the PAC for the first time. A&M got bogged down in politics (but the dialogue continued off and on until they joined). OU pulled out when Texas failed to commit. Bowden took FSU to ESPN and the ACC. The thing is ESPN was likely behind that and knew the details of the SEC offer because we naively went to them for valuations. The Mouse was just beginning to build the ACC. Clemson was always tepid, and probably interested only to spy, but when one of their boosters recounted the details to a buddy of his who was a S. Carolina guy the word spread and the Gamecocks applied.

So the whole thing was touted as a whopping success because we expanded into two bridge states to future targets, got our 12 schools and two divisions that led to the CCG, and looked to the public like world beaters. And we were. But lost in the shuffle was the fact that ESPN may have been an undermining factor, and the two big fish and their buddy got away.

Well here we are today and we are in South Carolina so not having Clemson is okay. We have Texas A&M and that completes another goal. Missouri was sort of an ESPN suggestion worked through A&M and Florida as I hear it. But that's a nice new market for the SEC. Where we lost out was in failing to acquire a second Florida school. I don't think we will make that mistake in Texas. But at least there we don't have to take a second Texas school to accomplish a victory. Oklahoma gives us all we need in DFW.

The only knock on the Canes was distance. We were still in a driving mentality in '91. We had a shot at Virginia Tech in '91 as well but passed due to distance. Now with ESPN backing both the ACC & SEC largely any movement between the two of us is anathema to them. So we look West.

Couple that with this:

Remember the condition of the SWC when Texas, TAMU, Baylor, & Texas Tech bolted? Attendance rapidly declining at several school, scandals, schools with fading fortunes, etc. Could we not say the same of the Big 12? Replace SMU with Baylor, and I can see a lot of similarities between the Big 12 and the SWC.

IMO, the Big 12's one saving grace right now is the Longhorn Network. But when that goes under, the Mouse will turn into a shark. I wish I knew of a way to thwart ESPN.

It is very reminiscent of the SWC.
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How so, other than SMU = Baylor in the sense of scandal?

Which Big 12 schools other than Baylor (perhaps) are seeing rapidly declining attendance and revenue??
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(02-14-2017 11:33 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  How so, other than SMU = Baylor in the sense of scandal?

Which Big 12 schools other than Baylor (perhaps) are seeing rapidly declining attendance and revenue??

Probably easier to say which ones aren't? The Big 12 is in a tough spot. They have never won a play-off game. It will be 12 years this fall since The Big 12 won a National Championship.

The Big 12 plainly made a mistake not expanding when they had the opportunity, multiple times. Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, Memphis, UCONN, UCF or USF would have at the least raised interest in The Big 12.

Shortsighted Big 12 fans want to point out that their TV partners gave them money not to expand. If I remember correctly that's the same thing ESPN did to The Big East.
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From a competitive standpoint the Big 12 is fine. OU blew away another SEC opponent. OSU demolished the PAC South champ.

Nobody is playing on the same level as Bama has been and now Clemson. Nobody in the B1G, PAC, or Big 12. Aside form FSU the ACC is hot garbage. Aside form tOSU the B1G hasn't done anything in years. Even the SEC aside from Bama looked pretty average this year with FCS schools and low level G-5 schools being competitive in games.

At the end of the day right now there are about 4 programs who will fill the playoff most years. Bama, Clemson, tOSU, and FSU. Beyond that it will likely take a really special season to make the playoff. Most p-5 schools have not had a season like that in the last 20 years and some like Louisville have never had a playoff level season in thier entire history.

So with 4 teams likely getting 3 of the 4 playoff spots there are probably about 25 schools who have a chance at that last spot or possibly 2 spots. Those are the schools who have the talent level to win all but 1 or possibly 2 games and a conference title. So essentially there are about 30 schools who have a legitimate chance to make the playoff. Beyond that the rest are already all but eliminated before the season even starts.

It's funny having Louisville fans try to talk playoff access. Considering Louisville has never had a playoff level season in its' history and has had at least 4 losses since they joined the p-5 there is no reason to think Louisville will be in the conversation anytime soon. Even with a heisman QB it wasn't' really even close. Louisville has never even won a p-5 conference title and there is no reason to think they will even be winning a division anytime soon. 05-stirthepot

Oh yea, the BIg 12 averages 57k for home FB games, ACC only 50k. So who has the declining attendance issue again? LOL
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(02-14-2017 11:33 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  How so, other than SMU = Baylor in the sense of scandal?

Which Big 12 schools other than Baylor (perhaps) are seeing rapidly declining attendance and revenue??

Probably easier to say which ones aren't? The Big 12 is in a tough spot. They have never won a play-off game. It will be 12 years this fall since The Big 12 won a National Championship.

The Big 12 plainly made a mistake not expanding when they had the opportunity, multiple times. Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, Memphis, UCONN, UCF or USF would have at the least raised interest in The Big 12.

Shortsighted Big 12 fans want to point out that their TV partners gave them money not to expand. If I remember correctly that's the same thing ESPN did to The Big East.
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Adding those schools will not stop the likes of Texas, Oklahoma and perhaps Kansas in looking for other options. 10, 12, 14, 16, it doesn't matter if Texas says goodbye. If that ever happens, there's plenty of AAC schools available since they have nowhere to go so what's the rush?
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(02-14-2017 06:24 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 04:59 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 11:33 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  How so, other than SMU = Baylor in the sense of scandal?

Which Big 12 schools other than Baylor (perhaps) are seeing rapidly declining attendance and revenue??

Probably easier to say which ones aren't? The Big 12 is in a tough spot. They have never won a play-off game. It will be 12 years this fall since The Big 12 won a National Championship.

The Big 12 plainly made a mistake not expanding when they had the opportunity, multiple times. Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, Memphis, UCONN, UCF or USF would have at the least raised interest in The Big 12.

Shortsighted Big 12 fans want to point out that their TV partners gave them money not to expand. If I remember correctly that's the same thing ESPN did to The Big East.
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Adding those schools will not stop the likes of Texas, Oklahoma and perhaps Kansas in looking for other options. 10, 12, 14, 16, it doesn't matter if Texas says goodbye. If that ever happens, there's plenty of AAC schools available since they have nowhere to go so what's the rush?

If I'm a program not named OU or Texas, a program that could be left behind, I'm looking for programs to grow. Keep in mind Houston competed at the top level of college football for decades, BYU has won a national title, Cincinnati won 75 games between 2007 - 2012 competing in a BCS conference.

I realize it's tempting to pocket the extra cash and make programs wait for the call, wouldn't be the first time The Big 12 did that, would it? The reality is a number of Big East programs stood steadfast against expansion for the same reason. By the time a majority of programs agreed to expand, it was too late.

Personally I hope The Big 12 survives, college football is better with a Big 12 conference, I just don't believe it wants to survive past the end of its present GOR.
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The ignore feature on these boards is amazing when the newbie trolls show-up to stir trouble. If you haven't been a member more than a year, you're not worth my time.....
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