(01-31-2017 11:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 04:49 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  They're ranked at 18-4 with no bad losses.

Nah...they got whipped by Whiskey tonight. They'll continue to get whipped.
Cheers!

You're confusing Northwestern with my Illini (who indeed got whipped by Wisconsin on Tuesday). The Wildcats play at Purdue tonight.

(02-01-2017 05:29 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 11:50 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Has a Big Ten team with at least 11 conference wins and 20 overall wins ever been left out, since the NCAA field was expanded to 64?

Can't think of one.

I had to be reminded about 2008-9 Penn State being one of the few/only 10/20 snubs. They were 10/21.

Yeah, I have no idea where HuskyU is coming from there. A Big Ten school with 10 conference wins and 20 wins overall is effectively a lock. Plus, I think a lot of fans still haven't quite internally adjusted to the lower standards to getting into the NCAA Tournament with the existence of the First Four. What looked like a bubble team 10 years ago is actually a lock in today's format.

A bubble team is worse because teams are trash these days.

10 years ago 21 RPI Missouri State and 25-2 Utah State were getting left out. Can't imagine that happening today.

(02-01-2017 10:59 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 05:29 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 11:50 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Has a Big Ten team with at least 11 conference wins and 20 overall wins ever been left out, since the NCAA field was expanded to 64?

Can't think of one.

I had to be reminded about 2008-9 Penn State being one of the few/only 10/20 snubs. They were 10/21.

Yeah, I have no idea where HuskyU is coming from there. A Big Ten school with 10 conference wins and 20 wins overall is effectively a lock. Plus, I think a lot of fans still haven't quite internally adjusted to the lower standards to getting into the NCAA Tournament with the existence of the First Four. What looked like a bubble team 10 years ago is actually a lock in today's format.

And the PSU overlook has been discussed. It's not as defining as it looks. The committee swapped them out for either a nine-win Minnesota or Michigan, so, not it wasn't even a true conference bid snub. The Big Ten still sent seven teams, and that year, nine conference wins were enough (and still are, even if placed on the bubble). The committee essentially sent a message to schools like Penn State that they need to do more during their non-conference (not just bad scheduling, but they only left the state of PA once, for the ACC-Big Ten Challenge game with GT) than to let their conference record do all of the talking.

As for anything diluting the quality of selections, if there is, I look to the years when people claimed the MVC and CAA "rigged the system" with their RPI numbers. The process got a lot more political then, becoming this "big vs. small" thing, and, then followed by conference expansion, which did its fair share of damage and program consolidation/centralization.

(02-01-2017 11:51 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  10 years ago 21 RPI Missouri State and 25-2 Utah State were getting left out. Can't imagine that happening today.

That Utah State snub, though, iirc, had their RPI in the 40's or high 30's. The committee gave it back to them (and Air Force) some time later. Again, the politics. That's how bad their schedule was that year, though. Heck, I seem to remember SFA getting something like a ton of wins in Southland one year, only to lose in their tournament...nobody called it a snub because the Southland is about as bad as it gets.

2014-15 Colorado State was in the 20's at the time of the selection (that's the worst one since Missouri State, I think). 2013-14 Southern Miss was pretty high, too. It still happens.

(02-01-2017 12:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 11:51 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  10 years ago 21 RPI Missouri State and 25-2 Utah State were getting left out. Can't imagine that happening today.

That Utah State snub, though, iirc, had their RPI in the 40's or high 30's. The committee gave it back to them (and Air Force) some time later. Again, the politics. That's how bad their schedule was that year, though. Heck, I seem to remember SFA getting something like a ton of wins in Southland one year, only to lose in their tournament...nobody called it a snub because the Southland is about as bad as it gets.

2014-15 Colorado State was in the 20's at the time of the selection (that's the worst one since Missouri State, I think). 2013-14 Southern Miss was pretty high, too. It still happens.

Air Force was chosen over us in 2006 for geographical reasons. Wanted to sell tickets in San Diego regional.

That was so stupid. The Valley was so good, it could have sent 6 that year and at least 5 should have went.

(02-01-2017 10:59 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 05:29 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 11:50 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Has a Big Ten team with at least 11 conference wins and 20 overall wins ever been left out, since the NCAA field was expanded to 64?

Can't think of one.

I had to be reminded about 2008-9 Penn State being one of the few/only 10/20 snubs. They were 10/21.

Yeah, I have no idea where HuskyU is coming from there. A Big Ten school with 10 conference wins and 20 wins overall is effectively a lock. Plus, I think a lot of fans still haven't quite internally adjusted to the lower standards to getting into the NCAA Tournament with the existence of the First Four. What looked like a bubble team 10 years ago is actually a lock in today's format.

Its kind of a trick question because for a while the BigTen only had 16 conference games, so 11 wins meant they went 11-5 and 10 wins meant 10-6. Now the BigTen is back to 18 games, so 10 wins means only 10-8.

(02-01-2017 01:26 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  That was so stupid. The Valley was so good, it could have sent 6 that year and at least 5 should have went.

Well, it became a spat about the conference's name. The ACC, PAC-10, and Big XII were down that year...four bids apiece. You had the MVC with six possible contenders, and suddenly, it wasn't about these six teams, but about the conference and how these six couldn't compete in the ACC and PAC-10.

There might be something to that ACC bias.

The stuff that annoyed me about that snub was that the Missouri Valley actually proved it DID deserve those bids. TWO Sweet 16 teams...Big Ten had none, but two more teams in the tournament, ACC had two as well. BUT...it wasn't like the MVC schools were getting the good seeds like ACC teams were. True underdogs and they STILL gave a good showing.

The CAA was never that lucky the year it had good numbers, even with two Final Four contributors to their name. The Mountain West never really did anything with the years it got four bids, and imploded the year it got five.

And the funniest part is the CAA team sent the Final Four team that year. They also got screwed, Hofstra should have been in.

Yes, getting snubbed was tragic and devastating for Missouri State and Hofstra that year. They still haven't made it 11 years later.

2006 might be my favorite March of all time. So much controversy and hype that I remember that year vividly. Memory for most years following it is vague.

(02-01-2017 05:29 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 11:50 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Has a Big Ten team with at least 11 conference wins and 20 overall wins ever been left out, since the NCAA field was expanded to 64?

Can't think of one.

I had to be reminded about 2008-9 Penn State being one of the few/only 10/20 snubs. They were 10/21.

Last year, the Buckeyes had 21 wins and 11 in conference, and didn't make the tournament. The unbalanced schedule led to them playing a lot of the lower teams twice and better teams once. I'm a Buckeye fan and didn't think that they should've been in the tournament last year.

(02-02-2017 01:54 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  Last year, the Buckeyes had 21 wins and 11 in conference, and didn't make the tournament. The unbalanced schedule led to them playing a lot of the lower teams twice and better teams once. I'm a Buckeye fan and didn't think that they should've been in the tournament last year.

They only had 19 wins going into the Big Ten tournament, though, 20-13 by the end of it, but, you're right...the conference wins they did have were against the conference's worst. Getting three sketchy losses from Hoophall (with some on their own court) already had them in a bad place...Kentucky in Brooklyn couldn't save that. Once within the conference, Iowa and Michigan weren't enough to push them over. Northwestern wasn't a bad win...but those get negated when that team doesn't make it into the tournament.

Like the 08-09 PSU team, the committee looked below OSU in the conference standings and tapped someone else. Michigan was 20-11 going into the Big Ten tournament, too. A prettier spot to be in, and came out of it 22-12 as a Big Ten tournament semi-finalist.

First game of the collapse last night. More losses to come...culminating in a first round conference tourney loss to the likes of Rutgers.

Northwestern: First Four OUT.

Huge win @#7 Wisconsin

Rantoul's Big Ten team might singlehandedly spoil the dream season for Chicago's Big Ten team.

(01-31-2017 04:49 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  They're ranked at 18-4 with no bad losses.

Not if they end the season with 7 straight losses.

The Cubs got off the schneid this season, I'd love to see Northwestern do the same.

They're virtually a lock after last night:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketb...del-030117