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(01-30-2017 10:28 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 10:16 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 10:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Never really thought about it that way, but he has nice rotation, lift, and release. It's not a big surprise. You knew he would be at worst, the 2nd best.

From the reports I expected BJ to lead us. Then when I saw Haynes shoot I thought he would have a chance. That's what Baker does so I thought maybe he could. Then, you know...Kah. It's awesome to see him excelling.

Good point on Kah. I never read BJ was a great shooter so I expected him to be more of a thrasher.

Haynes shot has looked better of late, but the scouting report was he was another slasher.

Im more surprised Baker is at 35%. It seems my memory has him missing every shot.

I could be wrong, but I thought that's what everyone was saying going into the year.

I know I go on and on about Ahmad but here's what he is in conference play:

15.1 ppg
40% 3p %
77.5% ft
4.3 rebs
4.7 assists (number will likely improve)
1.3 stl

So impressive.

I really liked caver from day one. He made it look easy but didn't expect him to be a deep threat and I'm pleasantly surprised at his recent consistently behind the arch. I'm extremely happy to see Haynes starting to click. We need that extra shot when bj or Talley are having a down night.

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(01-30-2017 10:46 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I know I go on and on about Ahmad but here's what he is in conference play:

15.1 ppg
40% 3p %
77.5% ft
4.3 rebs
4.7 assists (number will likely improve)
1.3 stl

So impressive.

Just nitpicking, but its 15.6/4.5 (reb), 4.4 assists, 1.5 steals, 2.4 turnovers. 41% from 3. (according to basketball reference)

His defensive numbers are by far the best from any of the guards as well.

(01-30-2017 11:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 10:46 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I know I go on and on about Ahmad but here's what he is in conference play:

15.1 ppg
40% 3p %
77.5% ft
4.3 rebs
4.7 assists (number will likely improve)
1.3 stl

So impressive.

Just nitpicking, but its 15.6/4.5 (reb), 4.4 assists, 1.5 steals, 2.4 turnovers. 41% from 3. (according to basketball reference)

His defensive numbers are by far the best from any of the guards as well.

You had some numbers on Bacote's efficiency last year. Anything stand out this year?

757, I have been with you on Caver since before the season started. He was described as a steal for ODU when we recruited him, and you know what that means usually when someone says that. Same was said of Baze. I know, we can only hope it keeps going in that direction!

Just looked up Trey Freeman's stats at Campbell before he came here. His sophomore year, 37 minutes, 14 points, 6 assists, and 3 rebounds. Caver is getting it done.His future looks very bright, just keep putting in the work. One of the best things he has done, he went from shut your eyes he's on the foul line to making a whole lot of them last 7,8 or whatever games.

(01-30-2017 10:15 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 10:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Never really thought about it that way, but he has nice rotation, lift, and release. It's not a big surprise. You knew he would be at worst, the 2nd best.

I've always thought his shot was too flat to be really consistent. I'm a little surprised he's first (although, he and Jordan are really close). I thought BJ would be up there with them, though.

Agree on all points. His shot is not pretty, but he is shooting well.

Caver is playing pretty much like a point guard version of Bacote last year. Not quite as good, but pretty similar. Caver's struggled on 2 point attempts being the big difference between the 2. Bacote a really good FT shooter as well.

Other than that, Brandan is playing much better than it seems. We have a net rating of like +40 with him on the court.

Caver/Talley/Stith have player effeciency ratings of 19.9, 25.3, and 28.1 in conference play; all 3 have been great.

(01-30-2017 10:28 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 10:16 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 10:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Never really thought about it that way, but he has nice rotation, lift, and release. It's not a big surprise. You knew he would be at worst, the 2nd best.

From the reports I expected BJ to lead us. Then when I saw Haynes shoot I thought he would have a chance. That's what Baker does so I thought maybe he could. Then, you know...Kah. It's awesome to see him excelling.

Good point on Kah. I never read BJ was a great shooter so I expected him to be more of a thrasher.

Haynes shot has looked better of late, but the scouting report was he was another slasher.

Im more surprised Baker is at 35%. It seems my memory has him missing every shot.

Baker is usually almost automatic early in the game, but in the second half, it seems that the toll of the energy he expends on defense catches up to him and he can't hit anything. I would be interested to see his 1st half % vs his second half %.

(01-30-2017 11:10 AM)mac Wrote:  757, I have been with you on Caver since before the season started. He was described as a steal for ODU when we recruited him, and you know what that means usually when someone says that. Same was said of Baze. I know, we can only hope it keeps going in that direction!

Just looked up Trey Freeman's stats at Campbell before he came here. His sophomore year, 37 minutes, 14 points, 6 assists, and 3 rebounds. Caver is getting it done.His future looks very bright, just keep putting in the work. One of the best things he has done, he went from shut your eyes he's on the foul line to making a whole lot of them last 7,8 or whatever games.

Mac, I think the free throw problem was based on his minutes. It seems that his legs have been adapting to playing as much as he does. Remember early in the year when he would hit 3's early in the game and then miss in the second half? That has changed. Might just be a confidence thing. Either way, I am happy he has found his stroke.

I am still holding to my prediction that he has a triple double before graduating.

I think we will see Caver's real value, not that we aren't getting a lot from him now, next year when he presumably has a shooter or two to feed. I see him drawing the defense to him then kicking it out for an open 3 by someone capable of making more than we do now on many (most) nights.

The crazy thing about 3 pt shooting % is that a 40 % shooter and a 34 % shooter are basically similar in makes (6 more makes per 100 shots). Of the the top 100 3pt shooters in D-1 only 32 have even taken more than 100 3s this season, which on avg translates to roughly 1 more make every 3 1/2 games. The key is to have several guys who can make 3s and what is the team's philosophy in # of attempts.

757, slightly off topic but did you notice TJ Cline of Richmond had the first triple double in Richmond basketball history this weekend.

(01-30-2017 01:17 PM)mac Wrote:  757, slightly off topic but did you notice TJ Cline of Richmond had the first triple double in Richmond basketball history this weekend.

Wow! Just looked up the box score. That is impressive. He can play a little bit.

(01-30-2017 01:11 PM)Tbac3 Wrote:  The crazy thing about 3 pt shooting % is that a 40 % shooter and a 34 % shooter are basically similar in makes (6 more makes per 100 shots). Of the the top 100 3pt shooters in D-1 only 32 have even taken more than 100 3s this season, which on avg translates to roughly 1 more make every 3 1/2 games. The key is to have several guys who can make 3s and what is the team's philosophy in # of attempts.

That is definitely an interesting bit of perspective. We get so caught up in the percentages and benchmarks that we sometimes forget what they actually represent.

(01-30-2017 01:11 PM)Tbac3 Wrote:  The crazy thing about 3 pt shooting % is that a 40 % shooter and a 34 % shooter are basically similar in makes (6 more makes per 100 shots). Of the the top 100 3pt shooters in D-1 only 32 have even taken more than 100 3s this season, which on avg translates to roughly 1 more make every 3 1/2 games. The key is to have several guys who can make 3s and what is the team's philosophy in # of attempts.

Number of attempts is very important to take into account.

(01-30-2017 09:22 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 01:06 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Oh cool this thread again. More please. Let's make every thread this thread. That way we will always have it close by. Yes yes yes yes yes.

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Ha ha that's pretty funny.

Because I think the talk of this game is dead, I'm going to keep my 3,2,1 in the thread and I'll keep it pretty simple.

Three observations
1) Most obviously, Brandan is still dealing with the high ankle sprain. As I mentioned after the Rice game, those injuries are no joke. With that said, I don't think they brought him back too early. It's just that the effects will linger for a while. I'd suspect that the recovery between games will continue to get better, but frankly, I'll be surprised if he's fully healthy even by the end of the season.

2) Caver and Talley have taken the reigns of this team. Jordan and Denzel will continue to be the leaders of making sure others know what it takes to succeed, but when we need a bucket, I expect we'll see our sophomores leading the charge. One thing to watch in this regard, however, is that Jeff seems to like the idea of going to BJ posting up smaller guards in these crucial moments. Honestly, in my opinion, it hasn't been particularly successful thus far, but I do like the idea of it. BJ just has to become more comfortable with it.

3) The defense is definitely missing Brandan's presence. Trey did a great job blocking shots, but it just seems that while trying to make up for Brandan's absence, our rotations are just a little out of place and teams are taking advantage of the openings when they get them. I'd love to see us get back to the lockdown defense of the early season.

Two questions
1) Back to observation #1, how will Brandan's ankle respond? We have two winnable games at home before the most difficult road trip of the year. It would be nice to get him some more action, without overdoing it, so that he's ready to go @MTSU and @UAB.

2) Will this team be able to find any consistency? This is a question that goes for the team as a whole, but also for a number of individual players. I think we know what we'll get from Caver and Talley now, but Haynes, Porter, Baker, BJ Stith, post-injury Brandan...we're just not sure. Each has shown flashes of what could be, but none have been consistent enough to sustain success.

One prediction

1) I still have hopes that this team can finish the season on a high note, but in order to do so, you have to win these two games at home against cellar dwellers. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict BJ will have a big game and make Anthony Evans' return to Norfolk a terrible one for him. Monarchs by 10.

(01-31-2017 09:41 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Because I think the talk of this game is dead, I'm going to keep my 3,2,1 in the thread and I'll keep it pretty simple.

Three observations
1) Most obviously, Brandan is still dealing with the high ankle sprain. As I mentioned after the Rice game, those injuries are no joke. With that said, I don't think they brought him back too early. It's just that the effects will linger for a while. I'd suspect that the recovery between games will continue to get better, but frankly, I'll be surprised if he's fully healthy even by the end of the season.

2) Caver and Talley have taken the reigns of this team. Jordan and Denzel will continue to be the leaders of making sure others know what it takes to succeed, but when we need a bucket, I expect we'll see our sophomores leading the charge. One thing to watch in this regard, however, is that Jeff seems to like the idea of going to BJ posting up smaller guards in these crucial moments. Honestly, in my opinion, it hasn't been particularly successful thus far, but I do like the idea of it. BJ just has to become more comfortable with it.

3) The defense is definitely missing Brandan's presence. Trey did a great job blocking shots, but it just seems that while trying to make up for Brandan's absence, our rotations are just a little out of place and teams are taking advantage of the openings when they get them. I'd love to see us get back to the lockdown defense of the early season.

Two questions
1) Back to observation #1, how will Brandan's ankle respond? We have two winnable games at home before the most difficult road trip of the year. It would be nice to get him some more action, without overdoing it, so that he's ready to go @MTSU and @UAB.

2) Will this team be able to find any consistency? This is a question that goes for the team as a whole, but also for a number of individual players. I think we know what we'll get from Caver and Talley now, but Haynes, Porter, Baker, BJ Stith, post-injury Brandan...we're just not sure. Each has shown flashes of what could be, but none have been consistent enough to sustain success.

One prediction

1) I still have hopes that this team can finish the season on a high note, but in order to do so, you have to win these two games at home against cellar dwellers. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict BJ will have a big game and make Anthony Evans' return to Norfolk a terrible one for him. Monarchs by 10.

Thanks for posting these Coach. I still think we have to find moments to get Caver some rest when we can.

(01-31-2017 10:04 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Thanks for posting these Coach. I still think we have to find moments to get Caver some rest when we can.

Glad you're enjoying them. I don't necessarily think anyone cares what I have to think, but I figured this would be a good way for us to discuss what we might be seeing and engage in some real discussion. Clearly those results have been mixed.

Anyway, I totally agree about needing to rest Caver. We can't expect him to go 40 every night, but in order to rest him, we have to get more from Fields than simply running and gunning. Heck, against a team that is going to sit in a half-court zone against us, I'd even let Talley take a shot as a point-forward to get Caver some rest, if I had to.