https://www.scribd.com/document/33754570...from_embed

This is what is will reportedly be DJT's executive order.

I'll ignore the parts of it relating to Muslim migration for purposes of this thread.

It appears that this means EVERY foreigner must get a visa to come to the USA and that they must have an IN PERSON interview.

This, if enacted will cause MASSIVE dislocations for our economy.

Here's what will happen

1) States like Florida will be have massive reductions in tourism receipts
2) Hospitals will end up with fewer patients (although I personally would love for hospitals that really exist to treat foreigners go out of business)
3) This will probably end up killing off a few American flagged airlines.
4) Hotels, restaurants, etc. will be devastated by this.
5) Our future economic prospects will be harmed as immigrants will simply start the college careers elsewhere - and likely contribute to those economies

And no, Americans who travel overseas aren't going to substitute a trip to Paris with a trip to Fort Myers. Just not going to happen. Nor is bubba going to go to San Diego instead of Cancun. The smart foreign countries will be smart about it and just let us keep coming, without a visa.

---

I promise you, adding 160 bucks plus the time needed for an in person interview to travel to the US will deter a LOT of people from bothering. The cost is bad, the in person interview is worse. Many people don't live near a US consulate. And they don't grant interviews on weekends. And can you imagine the lines involved? People will hear about the lines and not even bother. And since everyone planning on travelling to the USA will need an interview, everyone in the USA will hit those visa lines.....all at once.
---

This could cost hundreds of thousands of jobs, directly.

(01-25-2017 05:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  It appears that this means EVERY foreigner must get a visa to come to the USA and that they must have an IN PERSON interview.

pg4

Suspension of Issuance of Visas and Other Immigration Benefits to Nationals of Countries of Particular Concern. (emp mine)

(01-25-2017 05:18 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 05:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  It appears that this means EVERY foreigner must get a visa to come to the USA and that they must have an IN PERSON interview.

pg4

Suspension of Issuance of Visas and Other Immigration Benefits to Nationals of Countries of Particular Concern. (emp mine)

Does Section 9 just refer to countries of particular concern? It looks as if the section you are referring to is separate, and refers to suspending ALL visas for persons from those countries. We shall see.

---

Would you see the suspension of the VWP as a bad thing?

UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!

(01-25-2017 05:36 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!

Ok, so I guess we can just bury all 4 legacy airlines, throw thousands of Americans out of work, bankrupt a few hospitals, etc.

What the 'hell is going on' is that we have too easy access to mass killing machines (firearms that can kill 40 people a minute).

I see the law like this and I am reading from the perspective of someone who has help draft laws (but only at State level)

*Section 3 will ID countries of concern. This has to happen within 60 days

*Section 4 talk about "uniform screening standards" that can include "such as in-person interview." In writing a law, "such-as" is important.

*Section 9 puts a stop to immigration without an interview until Section 3 is complete

*Once section 3 is complete, Section 9 will only apply to those countries of concern, using Section 4 to have in-person interviews.

All other countries will probably go back to the Visa Waiver Program.

(I would of course prefer laws be written in more plain language.)

Your hysteria is becoming hysterical.

You don't think someone has already thought of these possible things?

And made provisions to avoid exactly what you think may happen?

Dude.

(01-25-2017 05:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 05:36 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!

Ok, so I guess we can just bury all 4 legacy airlines, throw thousands of Americans out of work, bankrupt a few hospitals, etc.

What the 'hell is going on' is that we have too easy access to mass killing machines (firearms that can kill 40 people a minute).

Come on henny penny, have you not realized every one of your doom and gloom responses about Trump turn out the exact opposite?

(01-25-2017 05:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.scribd.com/document/33754570...from_embed

This is what is will reportedly be DJT's executive order.

I'll ignore the parts of it relating to Muslim migration for purposes of this thread.

It appears that this means EVERY foreigner must get a visa to come to the USA and that they must have an IN PERSON interview.

This, if enacted will cause MASSIVE dislocations for our economy.

Here's what will happen

1) States like Florida will be have massive reductions in tourism receipts
2) Hospitals will end up with fewer patients (although I personally would love for hospitals that really exist to treat foreigners go out of business)
3) This will probably end up killing off a few American flagged airlines.
4) Hotels, restaurants, etc. will be devastated by this.
5) Our future economic prospects will be harmed as immigrants will simply start the college careers elsewhere - and likely contribute to those economies

And no, Americans who travel overseas aren't going to substitute a trip to Paris with a trip to Fort Myers. Just not going to happen. Nor is bubba going to go to San Diego instead of Cancun. The smart foreign countries will be smart about it and just let us keep coming, without a visa.

---

I promise you, adding 160 bucks plus the time needed for an in person interview to travel to the US will deter a LOT of people from bothering. The cost is bad, the in person interview is worse. Many people don't live near a US consulate. And they don't grant interviews on weekends. And can you imagine the lines involved? People will hear about the lines and not even bother. And since everyone planning on travelling to the USA will need an interview, everyone in the USA will hit those visa lines.....all at once.
---

This could cost hundreds of thousands of jobs, directly.

I'm really impressed with your ability to do this:


while simultaneously doing this:



It's an impressive feat. Bravo!

(01-25-2017 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 05:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.scribd.com/document/33754570...from_embed

This is what is will reportedly be DJT's executive order.

I'll ignore the parts of it relating to Muslim migration for purposes of this thread.

It appears that this means EVERY foreigner must get a visa to come to the USA and that they must have an IN PERSON interview.

This, if enacted will cause MASSIVE dislocations for our economy.

Here's what will happen

1) States like Florida will be have massive reductions in tourism receipts
2) Hospitals will end up with fewer patients (although I personally would love for hospitals that really exist to treat foreigners go out of business)
3) This will probably end up killing off a few American flagged airlines.
4) Hotels, restaurants, etc. will be devastated by this.
5) Our future economic prospects will be harmed as immigrants will simply start the college careers elsewhere - and likely contribute to those economies

And no, Americans who travel overseas aren't going to substitute a trip to Paris with a trip to Fort Myers. Just not going to happen. Nor is bubba going to go to San Diego instead of Cancun. The smart foreign countries will be smart about it and just let us keep coming, without a visa.

---

I promise you, adding 160 bucks plus the time needed for an in person interview to travel to the US will deter a LOT of people from bothering. The cost is bad, the in person interview is worse. Many people don't live near a US consulate. And they don't grant interviews on weekends. And can you imagine the lines involved? People will hear about the lines and not even bother. And since everyone planning on travelling to the USA will need an interview, everyone in the USA will hit those visa lines.....all at once.
---

This could cost hundreds of thousands of jobs, directly.

I'm really impressed with your ability to do this:


while simultaneously doing this:



It's an impressive feat. Bravo!

https://www.wttc.org/-/media/files/repor...ca2015.pdf

78 Million International Arrivals spent 150 Billion dollars in 2015. 20% of every tourism related dollar was spent by an overseas visitor.

And those are just direct impacts, and just those that impact the tourism, rather than medical, educational, or other sectors of the economy.

Again, we shall see what he really means by Section 9 of the order. But if he's going to shut it all down for 90 days while he sorts it out, it will damage the economy.

(01-25-2017 05:46 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 05:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 05:36 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!

Ok, so I guess we can just bury all 4 legacy airlines, throw thousands of Americans out of work, bankrupt a few hospitals, etc.

What the 'hell is going on' is that we have too easy access to mass killing machines (firearms that can kill 40 people a minute).

Come on henny penny, have you not realized every one of your doom and gloom responses about Trump turn out the exact opposite?

Haha!!!! Henny Penny - a new moniker is born!!

sounds good. more winning.

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(01-25-2017 06:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 05:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.scribd.com/document/33754570...from_embed

This is what is will reportedly be DJT's executive order.

I'll ignore the parts of it relating to Muslim migration for purposes of this thread.

It appears that this means EVERY foreigner must get a visa to come to the USA and that they must have an IN PERSON interview.

This, if enacted will cause MASSIVE dislocations for our economy.

Here's what will happen

1) States like Florida will be have massive reductions in tourism receipts
2) Hospitals will end up with fewer patients (although I personally would love for hospitals that really exist to treat foreigners go out of business)
3) This will probably end up killing off a few American flagged airlines.
4) Hotels, restaurants, etc. will be devastated by this.
5) Our future economic prospects will be harmed as immigrants will simply start the college careers elsewhere - and likely contribute to those economies

And no, Americans who travel overseas aren't going to substitute a trip to Paris with a trip to Fort Myers. Just not going to happen. Nor is bubba going to go to San Diego instead of Cancun. The smart foreign countries will be smart about it and just let us keep coming, without a visa.

---

I promise you, adding 160 bucks plus the time needed for an in person interview to travel to the US will deter a LOT of people from bothering. The cost is bad, the in person interview is worse. Many people don't live near a US consulate. And they don't grant interviews on weekends. And can you imagine the lines involved? People will hear about the lines and not even bother. And since everyone planning on travelling to the USA will need an interview, everyone in the USA will hit those visa lines.....all at once.
---

This could cost hundreds of thousands of jobs, directly.

I'm really impressed with your ability to do this:


while simultaneously doing this:



It's an impressive feat. Bravo!

https://www.wttc.org/-/media/files/repor...ca2015.pdf

78 Million International Arrivals spent 150 Billion dollars in 2015. 20% of every tourism related dollar was spent by an overseas visitor.

And those are just direct impacts, and just those that impact the tourism, rather than medical, educational, or other sectors of the economy.

Again, we shall see what he really means by Section 9 of the order. But if he's going to shut it all down for 90 days while he sorts it out, it will damage the economy.

Glad to know that you came more about money than you do about lives...


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(01-25-2017 06:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 05:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.scribd.com/document/33754570...from_embed

This is what is will reportedly be DJT's executive order.

I'll ignore the parts of it relating to Muslim migration for purposes of this thread.

It appears that this means EVERY foreigner must get a visa to come to the USA and that they must have an IN PERSON interview.

This, if enacted will cause MASSIVE dislocations for our economy.

Here's what will happen

1) States like Florida will be have massive reductions in tourism receipts
2) Hospitals will end up with fewer patients (although I personally would love for hospitals that really exist to treat foreigners go out of business)
3) This will probably end up killing off a few American flagged airlines.
4) Hotels, restaurants, etc. will be devastated by this.
5) Our future economic prospects will be harmed as immigrants will simply start the college careers elsewhere - and likely contribute to those economies

And no, Americans who travel overseas aren't going to substitute a trip to Paris with a trip to Fort Myers. Just not going to happen. Nor is bubba going to go to San Diego instead of Cancun. The smart foreign countries will be smart about it and just let us keep coming, without a visa.

---

I promise you, adding 160 bucks plus the time needed for an in person interview to travel to the US will deter a LOT of people from bothering. The cost is bad, the in person interview is worse. Many people don't live near a US consulate. And they don't grant interviews on weekends. And can you imagine the lines involved? People will hear about the lines and not even bother. And since everyone planning on travelling to the USA will need an interview, everyone in the USA will hit those visa lines.....all at once.
---

This could cost hundreds of thousands of jobs, directly.

I'm really impressed with your ability to do this:


while simultaneously doing this:



It's an impressive feat. Bravo!

https://www.wttc.org/-/media/files/repor...ca2015.pdf

78 Million International Arrivals spent 150 Billion dollars in 2015. 20% of every tourism related dollar was spent by an overseas visitor.

And those are just direct impacts, and just those that impact the tourism, rather than medical, educational, or other sectors of the economy.

Again, we shall see what he really means by Section 9 of the order. But if he's going to shut it all down for 90 days while he sorts it out, it will damage the economy.

Glad to know that you came more about money than you do about lives...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Lives? Please, I care about lives, thats why I support an end to the proliferation of weapons that can kill 40 people a minute.

(01-25-2017 06:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 05:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.scribd.com/document/33754570...from_embed

This is what is will reportedly be DJT's executive order.

I'll ignore the parts of it relating to Muslim migration for purposes of this thread.

It appears that this means EVERY foreigner must get a visa to come to the USA and that they must have an IN PERSON interview.

This, if enacted will cause MASSIVE dislocations for our economy.

Here's what will happen

1) States like Florida will be have massive reductions in tourism receipts
2) Hospitals will end up with fewer patients (although I personally would love for hospitals that really exist to treat foreigners go out of business)
3) This will probably end up killing off a few American flagged airlines.
4) Hotels, restaurants, etc. will be devastated by this.
5) Our future economic prospects will be harmed as immigrants will simply start the college careers elsewhere - and likely contribute to those economies

And no, Americans who travel overseas aren't going to substitute a trip to Paris with a trip to Fort Myers. Just not going to happen. Nor is bubba going to go to San Diego instead of Cancun. The smart foreign countries will be smart about it and just let us keep coming, without a visa.

---

I promise you, adding 160 bucks plus the time needed for an in person interview to travel to the US will deter a LOT of people from bothering. The cost is bad, the in person interview is worse. Many people don't live near a US consulate. And they don't grant interviews on weekends. And can you imagine the lines involved? People will hear about the lines and not even bother. And since everyone planning on travelling to the USA will need an interview, everyone in the USA will hit those visa lines.....all at once.
---

This could cost hundreds of thousands of jobs, directly.

I'm really impressed with your ability to do this:


while simultaneously doing this:



It's an impressive feat. Bravo!

https://www.wttc.org/-/media/files/repor...ca2015.pdf

78 Million International Arrivals spent 150 Billion dollars in 2015. 20% of every tourism related dollar was spent by an overseas visitor.

And those are just direct impacts, and just those that impact the tourism, rather than medical, educational, or other sectors of the economy.

Again, we shall see what he really means by Section 9 of the order. But if he's going to shut it all down for 90 days while he sorts it out, it will damage the economy.

Glad to know that you came more about money than you do about lives...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Lives? Please, I care about lives, thats why I support an end to the proliferation of weapons that can kill 40 people a minute.

Like what? Name these weapons you oppose.

This should be REALLY good.

(01-25-2017 06:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm really impressed with your ability to do this:


while simultaneously doing this:



It's an impressive feat. Bravo!

https://www.wttc.org/-/media/files/repor...ca2015.pdf

78 Million International Arrivals spent 150 Billion dollars in 2015. 20% of every tourism related dollar was spent by an overseas visitor.

And those are just direct impacts, and just those that impact the tourism, rather than medical, educational, or other sectors of the economy.

Again, we shall see what he really means by Section 9 of the order. But if he's going to shut it all down for 90 days while he sorts it out, it will damage the economy.

Glad to know that you came more about money than you do about lives...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Lives? Please, I care about lives, thats why I support an end to the proliferation of weapons that can kill 40 people a minute.

Like what? Name these weapons you oppose.

This should be REALLY good.

Any weapon that can kill 40 persons per minute. Not playing that game. I could care less what you call it, but what it can do.

(01-25-2017 07:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.wttc.org/-/media/files/repor...ca2015.pdf

78 Million International Arrivals spent 150 Billion dollars in 2015. 20% of every tourism related dollar was spent by an overseas visitor.

And those are just direct impacts, and just those that impact the tourism, rather than medical, educational, or other sectors of the economy.

Again, we shall see what he really means by Section 9 of the order. But if he's going to shut it all down for 90 days while he sorts it out, it will damage the economy.

Glad to know that you came more about money than you do about lives...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Lives? Please, I care about lives, thats why I support an end to the proliferation of weapons that can kill 40 people a minute.

Like what? Name these weapons you oppose.

This should be REALLY good.

Any weapon that can kill 40 persons per minute. Not playing that game. I could care less what you call it, but what it can do.

So you oppose cargo trucks?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36801671

And I don't blame you. After seeing Fit having his ass drug pillar to post today over ignorant statements if I were you and had no clue what I was talking about I wouldn't go down that road either.

(01-25-2017 07:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.wttc.org/-/media/files/repor...ca2015.pdf

78 Million International Arrivals spent 150 Billion dollars in 2015. 20% of every tourism related dollar was spent by an overseas visitor.

And those are just direct impacts, and just those that impact the tourism, rather than medical, educational, or other sectors of the economy.

Again, we shall see what he really means by Section 9 of the order. But if he's going to shut it all down for 90 days while he sorts it out, it will damage the economy.

Glad to know that you came more about money than you do about lives...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Lives? Please, I care about lives, thats why I support an end to the proliferation of weapons that can kill 40 people a minute.

Like what? Name these weapons you oppose.

This should be REALLY good.

Any weapon that can kill 40 persons per minute. Not playing that game. I could care less what you call it, but what it can do.

That could be done with a pistol. 2 20ish round clips could be unloaded in about that time.

(01-25-2017 05:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.scribd.com/document/33754570...from_embed

This is what is will reportedly be DJT's executive order.

I'll ignore the parts of it relating to Muslim migration for purposes of this thread.

It appears that this means EVERY foreigner must get a visa to come to the USA and that they must have an IN PERSON interview.

This, if enacted will cause MASSIVE dislocations for our economy.

Here's what will happen

1) States like Florida will be have massive reductions in tourism receipts
2) Hospitals will end up with fewer patients (although I personally would love for hospitals that really exist to treat foreigners go out of business)
3) This will probably end up killing off a few American flagged airlines.
4) Hotels, restaurants, etc. will be devastated by this.
5) Our future economic prospects will be harmed as immigrants will simply start the college careers elsewhere - and likely contribute to those economies

And no, Americans who travel overseas aren't going to substitute a trip to Paris with a trip to Fort Myers. Just not going to happen. Nor is bubba going to go to San Diego instead of Cancun. The smart foreign countries will be smart about it and just let us keep coming, without a visa.

---

I promise you, adding 160 bucks plus the time needed for an in person interview to travel to the US will deter a LOT of people from bothering. The cost is bad, the in person interview is worse. Many people don't live near a US consulate. And they don't grant interviews on weekends. And can you imagine the lines involved? People will hear about the lines and not even bother. And since everyone planning on travelling to the USA will need an interview, everyone in the USA will hit those visa lines.....all at once.
---

This could cost hundreds of thousands of jobs, directly.

Let's look again at your stellar record of predictions over the last several months.

Yeah, not concerned about any of this.

The next time you are right will be the first time.

(01-25-2017 07:43 PM)appst89 Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 05:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.scribd.com/document/33754570...from_embed

This is what is will reportedly be DJT's executive order.

I'll ignore the parts of it relating to Muslim migration for purposes of this thread.

It appears that this means EVERY foreigner must get a visa to come to the USA and that they must have an IN PERSON interview.

This, if enacted will cause MASSIVE dislocations for our economy.

Here's what will happen

1) States like Florida will be have massive reductions in tourism receipts
2) Hospitals will end up with fewer patients (although I personally would love for hospitals that really exist to treat foreigners go out of business)
3) This will probably end up killing off a few American flagged airlines.
4) Hotels, restaurants, etc. will be devastated by this.
5) Our future economic prospects will be harmed as immigrants will simply start the college careers elsewhere - and likely contribute to those economies

And no, Americans who travel overseas aren't going to substitute a trip to Paris with a trip to Fort Myers. Just not going to happen. Nor is bubba going to go to San Diego instead of Cancun. The smart foreign countries will be smart about it and just let us keep coming, without a visa.

---

I promise you, adding 160 bucks plus the time needed for an in person interview to travel to the US will deter a LOT of people from bothering. The cost is bad, the in person interview is worse. Many people don't live near a US consulate. And they don't grant interviews on weekends. And can you imagine the lines involved? People will hear about the lines and not even bother. And since everyone planning on travelling to the USA will need an interview, everyone in the USA will hit those visa lines.....all at once.
---

This could cost hundreds of thousands of jobs, directly.

Let's look again at your stellar record of predictions over the last several months.

Yeah, not concerned about any of this.

The next time you are right will be the first time.

So you'd be opposed to DJT cancelling the VWP?