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RE: Poinsettia Bowl goes bust
(01-25-2017 03:00 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 02:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  So who was supposed to be on the other side of the MWC in this bowl in coming years? Was it just vs At-Large?

Looks like BYU in 2018, the MAC in other years.

Can BYU get a primary agreement for next year? Are there any slots not already contracted out?

BYU doesn't have an agreement for 2017 either. That's likely to be sort of par for the course as an independent, although 2019 is the Aloha Bowl.

I thought BYU had an agreement with the AAC and the Miami Bowl for 2015 and 2017...
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RE: Poinsettia Bowl goes bust
I've been vocal about cutting a bowl from the lineup, but was assuming it would be the Tucson bowl. The Poinsettia Bowl retiring is devastating and bothersome. Poinsettia was easily one of the very best new school bowls that built up credible tradition from the historic top 10 Boise/TCU matchup one year and intriguing matchups in other years. Every year I made sure not to miss the Poinsettia Bowl. Good name (Poinsettia). Great location too. Also aesthetically pleasing with natural grass.

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RE: Poinsettia Bowl goes bust
(01-25-2017 03:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 03:00 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 02:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  So who was supposed to be on the other side of the MWC in this bowl in coming years? Was it just vs At-Large?

Looks like BYU in 2018, the MAC in other years.

Can BYU get a primary agreement for next year? Are there any slots not already contracted out?

BYU doesn't have an agreement for 2017 either. That's likely to be sort of par for the course as an independent, although 2019 is the Aloha Bowl.

I thought BYU had an agreement with the AAC and the Miami Bowl for 2015 and 2017...

Nope. BYU scheduled Bowls:
2017: No Bowl scheduled
2018: was Poinsetta Bowl
2019: Hawaii Bowl
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RE: Poinsettia Bowl goes bust
(01-25-2017 03:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 03:00 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 02:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  So who was supposed to be on the other side of the MWC in this bowl in coming years? Was it just vs At-Large?

Looks like BYU in 2018, the MAC in other years.

Can BYU get a primary agreement for next year? Are there any slots not already contracted out?

BYU doesn't have an agreement for 2017 either. That's likely to be sort of par for the course as an independent, although 2019 is the Aloha Bowl.

I thought BYU had an agreement with the AAC and the Miami Bowl for 2015 and 2017...

BYU had an agreement with the Miami Beach bowl to play an AAC team in 2014 and played Memphis. BYU also has an agreement to play an AAC team in the Hawaii bowl in 2019. Does make sense for AAC to bring in BYU in Miami Beach bowl again in 17 or 18.
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RE: Poinsettia Bowl goes bust
(01-25-2017 04:31 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 03:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 03:00 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 02:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  So who was supposed to be on the other side of the MWC in this bowl in coming years? Was it just vs At-Large?

Looks like BYU in 2018, the MAC in other years.

Can BYU get a primary agreement for next year? Are there any slots not already contracted out?

BYU doesn't have an agreement for 2017 either. That's likely to be sort of par for the course as an independent, although 2019 is the Aloha Bowl.

I thought BYU had an agreement with the AAC and the Miami Bowl for 2015 and 2017...

BYU had an agreement with the Miami Beach bowl to play an AAC team in 2014 and played Memphis. BYU also has an agreement to play an AAC team in the Hawaii bowl in 2019. Does make sense for AAC to bring in BYU in Miami Beach bowl again in 17 or 18.

Sure, but what about the MAC and AAC teams supposed to play there those years?
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RE: Poinsettia Bowl goes bust
(01-25-2017 04:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 04:31 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 03:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 03:00 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 02:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  So who was supposed to be on the other side of the MWC in this bowl in coming years? Was it just vs At-Large?

Looks like BYU in 2018, the MAC in other years.

Can BYU get a primary agreement for next year? Are there any slots not already contracted out?

BYU doesn't have an agreement for 2017 either. That's likely to be sort of par for the course as an independent, although 2019 is the Aloha Bowl.

I thought BYU had an agreement with the AAC and the Miami Bowl for 2015 and 2017...

BYU had an agreement with the Miami Beach bowl to play an AAC team in 2014 and played Memphis. BYU also has an agreement to play an AAC team in the Hawaii bowl in 2019. Does make sense for AAC to bring in BYU in Miami Beach bowl again in 17 or 18.

Sure, but what about the MAC and AAC teams supposed to play there those years?

When the AAC brought in BYU in 2014, they gave away one of their bowls to the conference that was displaced. Believe they gave Bahamas to CUSA in order to sign BYU, but could be wrong. Going off memory. The AAC has 8 tie ins every year for 12 teams and won't fill a lot of years, so can afford to let one go, especially if filling an access bowl. Of course I say that now, and then AAC won't have enough bowl tie ins.
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On Monday, a group of investors proposed replacing Qualcomm Stadium with a 20,000-30,000-seat soccer venue that could also be home to SDSU's football team. The proposed capacity would be too small for the Holiday Bowl
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Could the MWC buy the rights to stage this bowl from its current owner? The AAC owns a couple of bowls used as a vehicle for its own teams. Couldn't the MWC do the same? The payout for this bowl is pretty low (around $600K) so it might be economically feasible.

But at the end of the day, this - and the Independence Bowl's loss of a sponsor - are just evidence of the marketplace at work. If 40 bowls is too many, as so many of us have said, this is how the market corrects itself.
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Funny, when a bowl finally gets cut, people say its the wrong one. Good news for the AAC. The now have an opening to get out of that terrible Monday before Christmas slot.

Hate to see Poinsettia go but I think 3-4 more should be cut. My top three

Boca Bowl (Then Move Miami Bowl to Boca)
AZ Bowl
Potato Bowl
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I'm on suicide watch for the next few hours.

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This won't be an absolute disaster for BYU. They have a reputation for traveling well and will be a popular pick for bowl committees who have a P5 tie in that doesn't have enough eligible teams.

For the MWC this is awful news. If I recollect, they only had 6 tie ins and this one was their 2nd best. They will be the conference that is scrambling to find bowls whose primary conferences couldn't fill for their 7-5 and 6-6 teams which probably means odd matchups on the other side of the country in bottom tier bowls.

On the bright side, if this happened last year 5-7 Miss St and N Texas stay home. BYU travels to St Petersburg to play Miami (OH) and Wyoming plays Army in the Armed Forces.
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(01-25-2017 05:07 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Funny, when a bowl finally gets cut, people say its the wrong one. Good news for the AAC. The now have an opening to get out of that terrible Monday before Christmas slot.

Hate to see Poinsettia go but I think 3-4 more should be cut. My top three

Boca Bowl (Then Move Miami Bowl to Boca)
AZ Bowl
Potato Bowl

I tend to agree with you, but I disagree on the bowls that should be cut:
1) Birmingham (really bad facility and poor destination)
2) New Mexico (This bowl once featured two MW teams because they couldn't find another conference)
3) Potato
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(01-25-2017 05:07 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Funny, when a bowl finally gets cut, people say its the wrong one. Good news for the AAC. The now have an opening to get out of that terrible Monday before Christmas slot.

Hate to see Poinsettia go but I think 3-4 more should be cut. My top three

Boca Bowl (Then Move Miami Bowl to Boca)
AZ Bowl
Potato Bowl

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I've had the opportunity to visit in-depth with members of bowl committees for Orange, Sugar, and Independence.

My guess is that the Holiday Bowl people didn't like the return on investment from the Poinsettia. The game presumably was profitable but bowl games to be done right are a major suck of volunteer time.

With most bowls requiring teams to be onsite four days out that meant they were getting 2 or 3 days most years between the Poinsettia and the Holiday Bowl. Basically a week and half of being busy with very short break.

Bowl committee members have a ticket purchase obligation. The guys I met from Orange and Sugar only used their tickets if someone was coming in they really wanted to see and either gave tickets to clients/customers or just scalped them. When you see StubHub touting $5 bowl tickets, the bowl itself is fine, the people on the bowl committee are pissed they can't find willing takers nor people to buy the wad of tickets they are holding on to. My friend on the I-Bowl committee says he measures how good their selection was based on how many phone messages he has waiting for him at the office on the Monday after the I-Bowl pairing is announced. If he doesn't have clients looking for tickets he's disappointed.

I doubt Poinsettia was doing that much for the committee members other than when SDSU was in, maybe getting it for Navy or BYU but most likely their Monday calls were for Holiday Bowl tickets.

Just easier to drop it for the Holiday.

Now if I were wagering on games likely to close. My money would be on Cure being the next most likely with it being the third game in Orlando, though the whole breast cancer thing might mean a more motivated volunteer base.

The Miami game would be up there. Always going to be overshadowed by the Orange and it's just a harsh market for sports.

I wonder if Bahamas feels like they get an adequate ROI from the game.

Famous Tater? As long as the community wants to work on it, that game is safe.
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They could easily cut 10–15 bowl games without anyone even noticing.
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Potato I think the MAC will keep sending teams to it since its a tie with the MWC.

The AAC should be the one to give up a slot in the bowl pool for BYU to join and add value to it.

Take advantage of the panic!The MWC, MAC, CUSA, SBC should get together and add Las Vegas, Mobile and New Orleans to the bowl pool with their non CFP champ going to one of those games. Add BYU to the mix to play one of the champs.

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Arizona Bowl and Mobile to the bowl pool ASAP.

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(01-25-2017 06:23 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Potato I think the MAC will keep sending teams to it since its a tie with the MWC.

The AAC should be the one to give up a slot in the bowl pool for BYU to join and add value to it.

Take advantage of the panic!The MWC, MAC, CUSA, SBC should get together and add Las Vegas, Mobile and New Orleans to the bowl pool with their non CFP champ going to one of those games. Add BYU to the mix to play one of the champs.

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You seriously think that the AAC is going to give up a bowl slot they want so byu can be helped out. Am I understanding you correctly? Honestly question.
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(01-25-2017 05:51 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 05:07 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Funny, when a bowl finally gets cut, people say its the wrong one. Good news for the AAC. The now have an opening to get out of that terrible Monday before Christmas slot.

Hate to see Poinsettia go but I think 3-4 more should be cut. My top three

Boca Bowl (Then Move Miami Bowl to Boca)
AZ Bowl
Potato Bowl

I tend to agree with you, but I disagree on the bowls that should be cut:
1) Birmingham (really bad facility and poor destination)
2) New Mexico (This bowl once featured two MW teams because they couldn't find another conference)
3) Potato

I have no problem with this list, but I knew some AAC fans would go through the roof if mentioned one of their bowls with a P5. 04-cheers
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RE: Poinsettia Bowl goes bust
(01-25-2017 05:51 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 05:07 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Funny, when a bowl finally gets cut, people say its the wrong one. Good news for the AAC. The now have an opening to get out of that terrible Monday before Christmas slot.

Hate to see Poinsettia go but I think 3-4 more should be cut. My top three

Boca Bowl (Then Move Miami Bowl to Boca)
AZ Bowl
Potato Bowl

I tend to agree with you, but I disagree on the bowls that should be cut:
1) Birmingham (really bad facility and poor destination)
2) New Mexico (This bowl once featured two MW teams because they couldn't find another conference)
3) Potato

You have the New Mexico Bowl confused with the Arizona Bowl
First four were WAC vs. MWC, 5th was MWC vs. CUSA, 6th MAC vs MWC, 7th and 8th Pac-10 vs MWC, 9th MWC vs. CUSA, 10th Pac-12 vs. MWC, 11th MWC vs. CUSA
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(01-25-2017 08:48 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(01-25-2017 06:23 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Potato I think the MAC will keep sending teams to it since its a tie with the MWC.

The AAC should be the one to give up a slot in the bowl pool for BYU to join and add value to it.

Take advantage of the panic!The MWC, MAC, CUSA, SBC should get together and add Las Vegas, Mobile and New Orleans to the bowl pool with their non CFP champ going to one of those games. Add BYU to the mix to play one of the champs.

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You seriously think that the AAC is going to give up a bowl slot they want so byu can be helped out. Am I understanding you correctly? Honestly question.

Possibly if they don't want to be in the pool.

I checked lineups for next year and the AAC has 7 bowl games so they could spare 1 if it betters them figuring they'll get the CFP bowl.

AAC 7/12
SBC 5/10
CUSA 6/14
MWC 5/12
MAC 4/12

If nothing changes this is what the G5 will have on the books next year.

Boise State joined the MWC to become an automatic qualifying conference in 2010. Who would have thought six years later they'd be sharing a MWC with Utah State and the Poinsettia Bowl folds?

My guess is a couple of bowls will have to slide from P5 to G5. Foster Farms would make a nice replacement for the Poinsettia. Independence may have to drop to the G5 level.

San Francisco
Tuscon
Shreveport
New Orleans
Mobile
Miami

More of a presence in the LA area but a lot of G5 teams around there.
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