Potato Bowl has more than proven and established itself. It's also unique as opposed to some other recently added sterile bowls. This year's game was fun to watch with a decent crowd, but I hope they move the game back to late afternoon as the view is incredible. I hope this bowl keeps trucking its own success because it fills an interesting niche.

cant they just put it in a dark closet and see if it revives itself? I heard that works with poinsettias

(02-02-2017 04:39 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Doesn't matter what you think, either. That's why we have to post on message boards to be heard.


Anyway ... it's really just two things: a) being out in the middle of nowhere in a patently non-destination, and b) then forcing the poor bas___s to sit outside and freeze.


Other than that, there's nothing wrong with the bowl owners, the stadium, or things of that nature, per se.

It seems like you have an issue with Boise St or the city of Boise after reading through this discussion. If the city of Boise can get two conferences to agree to send a team to this Bowl game every year then why not? I've looked back at the 20 year history of the game and Miami, Boston College, Georgia Tech (twice) Louisville, Virginia, Maryland, Iowa St, Cincinnati and several MWC and MAC teams have played in this bowl despite it being in your words "to freeze in the middle of nowhere patently non-destinationton." ESPN sends a crew out there and puts it on national television. If their all ok with it, what do you have against it?
Cheers!

(02-02-2017 09:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 04:39 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Doesn't matter what you think, either. That's why we have to post on message boards to be heard.


Anyway ... it's really just two things: a) being out in the middle of nowhere in a patently non-destination, and b) then forcing the poor bas___s to sit outside and freeze.


Other than that, there's nothing wrong with the bowl owners, the stadium, or things of that nature, per se.

It seems like you have an issue with Boise St or the city of Boise after reading through this discussion. If the city of Boise can get two conferences to agree to send a team to this Bowl game every year then why not? I've looked back at the 20 year history of the game and Miami, Boston College, Georgia Tech (twice) Louisville, Virginia, Maryland, Iowa St, Cincinnati and several MWC and MAC teams have played in this bowl despite it being in your words "to freeze in the middle of nowhere patently non-destinationton." ESPN sends a crew out there and puts it on national television. If their all ok with it, what do you have against it?
Cheers!

Preach, brother!

All I want for bowl season is a few SEC/PAC matchups..please!

(02-02-2017 04:13 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 01:06 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  If no one wanted to go to any bowl game that bowl game would end. Up an moving the location of a bowl game from one city to another is not that easy as some posters would want you to believe, first the financial backers of a bowl game placed the bowl location in a certain city for a reason so why would they want to move it to another city.

But that's not fair, because the owners of the Potato Bowl don't care about profits. They only care about provincial chest thumping and civic pride, to say that Boise must be some great place because it has a bowl game.

As long as they aren't losing a bunch of money, they'll never move the game. And that's not fair to make the bowl teams and traveling fans of the bowl teams go to a crappy place with nothing to do and freeze themselves.

Well that and filling hundreds of hotel rooms for four days and putting more people in the restaurants, bars, and shops.

Take Mobile. Small but busy tourism industry in the summer. During the winter, what tourism they get outside the bowl is just people traveling I-10 and business travel. I know for at least the first few AState appearances they had 97%+ hotel occupancy, the city's largest and signature restaurant set single day sales records three years in a row.

There's more motivation to helping put on a bowl game than chest thumping and civic pride.

(02-02-2017 09:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  If the city of Boise can get two conferences to agree to send a team to this Bowl game every year then why not? ... ESPN sends a crew out there and puts it on national television.

But ... again ... these facts are only propped up because bowl games are a (artificially) restricted supply of an extremely desirable opportunity.

ESPN would send a crew, and two conferences would agree to send teams, to the moon, if that was the last bowl game opportunity available. But that's not necessarily fair, when you have so many other locations, patently better locations than Boise (or the moon), that can't get a game because of the restricted supply.

(02-03-2017 08:15 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  There's more motivation to helping put on a bowl game than chest thumping and civic pride.

Not an incorrect point, at all.

But just brings us back to the fact that: the Potato Bowl owners know they have a bar of gold in their hands, and so they quite frankly don't give a rip if the bowl game itself loses money. It's a loss-leader for a separate agenda.


And so I come back to the ultimate point: if Boise did not have a bowl game today, and a slot opened up for another bowl game, going to the best bid, Boise would NOT win. Zero chance.

So how is it fair that they get to be grand fathered in??

(02-03-2017 10:23 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 09:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  If the city of Boise can get two conferences to agree to send a team to this Bowl game every year then why not? ... ESPN sends a crew out there and puts it on national television.

But ... again ... these facts are only propped up because bowl games are a (artificially) restricted supply of an extremely desirable opportunity.

ESPN would send a crew, and two conferences would agree to send teams, to the moon, if that was the last bowl game opportunity available. But that's not necessarily fair, when you have so many other locations, patently better locations than Boise (or the moon), that can't get a game because of the restricted supply.

(02-03-2017 08:15 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  There's more motivation to helping put on a bowl game than chest thumping and civic pride.

Not an incorrect point, at all.

But just brings us back to the fact that: the Potato Bowl owners know they have a bar of gold in their hands, and so they quite frankly don't give a rip if the bowl game itself loses money. It's a loss-leader for a separate agenda.


And so I come back to the ultimate point: if Boise did not have a bowl game today, and a slot opened up for another bowl game, going to the best bid, Boise would NOT win. Zero chance.

So how is it fair that they get to be grand fathered in??

It is fair because they have done nothing just like the other bowl games that were also grand fathered in to lose their bowl game by the power that be that make the decisions on who can have a bowl game and who cannot have a bowl game.

(02-03-2017 10:57 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  they have done nothing ... to lose their bowl game

Sure they have: a crummy, non-destination, and making people sit outdoors in the freezing cold.

(02-03-2017 11:00 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 10:57 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  they have done nothing ... to lose their bowl game

Sure they have: a crummy, non-destination, and making people sit outdoors in the freezing cold.

So I have sat many football games in crummy, non-destinations outdoors and in the freezing cold, rain downpours, in weather conditions that it was so hot fans were falling out from heat stroke. To attend those games was my decision just like it is the decision of any fan whether they attended the game.

Examples of crummy game locations to me and the reason I feel the location is crummy.

Birmingham. Legion Field- Stadium is in a great neighbor (NOT). Talk about a non-destination City.
Atlanta. Georgia Dome- Nice stadium but I just do not like having to park and have to ride Marta to be able to get to the game(parking not a problem at location for Georgia State games) . Been there done that.
Shreveport. Another non-destination city. Why would anyone want to go to Shreveport.
New York. Yankee Stadium. Baseball game yes......Football Game HELL NO.

Crummy game location or not no one is forcing me to attend the game the decision is mine.
Talk about a crummy location. What about that airplane hanger your Bison's play football games inside.

B'ham, Shreveport, not freezing like Boise.
ATL, semi-destination, and indoor stadium.
NYC, obvious destination.


None of those are comparable.

Reasonable People: As long as Boise supports the Potato Bowl, and teams are willing to come, no problem

MPLSBISON: It's cold, it's unfair, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!


/thread

If the supply wasn't artificially restricted, teams wouldn't go to Boise!!! Duh, that's the point.

(02-03-2017 12:33 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If the supply wasn't artificially restricted, teams wouldn't go to Boise!!! Duh, that's the point.

Teams went to Boise BEFORE the cap on Bowls was in place.

Duh

That proves my point, even more than today's situation proves it. When bowl supply is constrained (artificially), teams will go anywhere for a bowl game. Even places they'd rather not go.


You're choosing to be ignorant, of the obvious and correct point. That's your fault.

No possible way around this fact: Boise (without an indoor stadium) would never be approved for a new bowl, today.


I've repeated myself several times now, and no one has come up with a good counter-argument. I'll just assume I'm correct, and that the world isn't fair.

(02-03-2017 01:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  That proves my point, even more than today's situation proves it. When bowl supply is constrained (artificially), teams will go anywhere for a bowl game. Even places they'd rather not go.


You're choosing to be ignorant, of the obvious and correct point. That's your fault.

No possible way around this fact: Boise (without an indoor stadium) would never be approved for a new bowl, today.


I've repeated myself several times now, and no one has come up with a good counter-argument. I'll just assume I'm correct, and that the world isn't fair.

I call BS. Look at a map. The closest Bowl Game to Boise is over 600 miles.

There was no cap until after Tucson and Orlando III made it in and 5-7 teams began happening.

History says the line-up they field next season will change over time.

International Bowl in Toronto folded because they couldn't secure anyone to play the MAC. Two Hawaii bowls moved. Bowls have folded in San Jose, New Jersey, Houston, and Detroit. Bowls in Miami, Tucson, Fresno, Philadelphia, and DC moved.

If the MWC and MAC want to replace the Famous Tater Bowl by meeting in St. Louis they cut the deal and leave Tater high and dry.

(02-03-2017 02:12 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Look at a map. The closest Bowl Game to Boise is over 600 miles.

I fail to see a logical point you're making. It can't possibly be that Boise, somehow, deserved a bowl game, because the upper Rockies region deserved a bowl game????

That would be incredibly silly.


Seattle doesn't have a bowl game. You can't possibly claim that Seattle/Pacific Northwest doesn't deserve a bowl game, but that the upper Rockies does.

(02-03-2017 02:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If the MWC and MAC want to replace the Famous Tater Bowl by meeting in St. Louis they cut the deal and leave Tater high and dry.

For the sake of fans, I hope it happens.

Boise St's pompous president, and Boise/Idaho politicians will call in favors to see that the MWC, at least, doesn't pull out, though.

(02-03-2017 02:18 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 02:12 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Look at a map. The closest Bowl Game to Boise is over 600 miles.

I fail to see a logical point you're making. It can't possibly be that Boise, somehow, deserved a bowl game, because the upper Rockies region deserved a bowl game????

That would be incredibly silly.


Seattle doesn't have a bowl game. You can't possibly claim that Seattle/Pacific Northwest doesn't deserve a bowl game, but that the upper Rockies does.

I am sorry you never learned to use a map and blind and can not see the following.



That one Big area with only one bowl game.