(01-24-2017 11:29 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 08:54 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  If he genuinely believes this, why hasn't Trump opened an investigation yet?

Voter fraud at this scale would literally be the TOP priority as it undermines the whole democratic process.

except we don't have another election for tears, and he wasn't elected primarily to fix the electoral process

More importantly, since ballots aren't tied to people, there is NO WAY to investigate the issue, other than anecdotally

George W. wasn't elected to fight terrorism.

Your second. It's the people that would be looked at, not the ballots.

Oops. Seems this morning he finally gets that if he's gonna make the claim, he has to at least try to back it up.

He's gonna call for investigations.

(01-25-2017 08:01 AM)Paul M Wrote:  He claims 3 million illegal votes. That's massive and if true should be extremely important to investigate. He's the one making the claim. He's in the position to get it looked into. When asked about investigating it he says he's satisfied with his win. But he keeps bringing up this claim. Obviously it bothers his thin skin. He continues claiming he legitimately won the popular vote, something that does not matter in the least, if not for this voter fraud.

Voter fraud happens. I highly doubt to the extent he's claiming. But I want any fraud gone after. Especially if it's as rampant as claimed.

If Trump believed his own lying mouth, he would too.

The bolded above is it.

I'd like to tell him, "Just go do what you say you'll do and next election you won't have to worry about the popular vote - it doesn't matter anyway."

Wouldn't it be great if this was just the way to help usher in voter Photo ID??

(01-24-2017 08:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  This is like the New England Patriots or the Atlanta Falcons complaining about a call in one of last week's championship games. They aren't because they are more concerned about the Super Bowl.

Trump needs to stop worrying about silly crap that means nothing and concentrate on the important stuff.

Right. The fact is that there was and always is a good bit of voter fraud in the 100% Democratic areas in the inner cities. Democrats hate voter ID as much because it puts a damper on their voter fraud as the damper it puts on lazy, uninformed voters getting out and voting Democrat.

But millions seems like an extreme exaggeration. And the election is over. Let those afflicted with TDS continue to make themselves look ridiculous.

(01-25-2017 07:45 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 07:19 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 06:52 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 11:43 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Great, will when it start?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using CSNbbs mobile app

The best way to clean that up and remove questions is to require photo ID to vote.

This is a classic case of not monitoring the process up front - so there isn't any way to go back and find out. As it stands, they system is currently set-up so that some level of shenanigans can take place, and one group wants to keep it that way.........

One would think that everyone would be good with trying to remove questions, but that isn't the case.

I believe the arguments we've had in the past was it wasn't fair to the poor, it was racist, and not everyone is able to go get a photo ID.

Some of the examples was if someone was so broke that the cost of an ID was a financial burden on them. They couldn't afford transportation to get the ID... But they could get rides to go vote because that's a right and photo IDs infringe on that right. It's racist because it would disenfranchise blacks because see above and it would disenfranchise the elderly. That being said the elderly had no issues with long lines on election day unlike some protesters that showed up saying that they couldn't vote due to long wait times.

It's all part and parcel of the Democrats throwing out every excuse in the book to not have photo ID be mandatory. Face it, the Democrats view illegals as an up and coming potential voting bloc that will be poor and they can buy'em cheap and keep'em on the plantation. That's all it is. You know it, I know it. Everyone knows the play.

Funny how they are fine with showing ID to buy liquor, cigarettes, cash a check, etc., but not for voting. They desperately want that, just arrived in-country vote. Period, end of story.

You forgot how much they like the ID (and extensive background checks) for guns!

(01-25-2017 08:09 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Oops. Seems this morning he finally gets that if he's gonna make the claim, he has to at least try to back it up.

He's gonna call for investigations.

good deal

Was there voter fraud, probably. but Trump needs to move past the election and get on with the business of being POTUS. Stop living in November and get on with the next four years.

(01-25-2017 08:22 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 08:01 AM)Paul M Wrote:  He claims 3 million illegal votes. That's massive and if true should be extremely important to investigate. He's the one making the claim. He's in the position to get it looked into. When asked about investigating it he says he's satisfied with his win. But he keeps bringing up this claim. Obviously it bothers his thin skin. He continues claiming he legitimately won the popular vote, something that does not matter in the least, if not for this voter fraud.

Voter fraud happens. I highly doubt to the extent he's claiming. But I want any fraud gone after. Especially if it's as rampant as claimed.

If Trump believed his own lying mouth, he would too.

The bolded above is it.

I'd like to tell him, "Just go do what you say you'll do and next election you won't have to worry about the popular vote - it doesn't matter anyway."

Wouldn't it be great if this was just the way to help usher in voter Photo ID??

Trump's thin skin is a potential cause for concern moving forward. So far it's not been much of a factor; however, I worry about his bruised ego getting in the way of governing objectively on certain matters.

(01-25-2017 09:29 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 08:22 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 08:01 AM)Paul M Wrote:  He claims 3 million illegal votes. That's massive and if true should be extremely important to investigate. He's the one making the claim. He's in the position to get it looked into. When asked about investigating it he says he's satisfied with his win. But he keeps bringing up this claim. Obviously it bothers his thin skin. He continues claiming he legitimately won the popular vote, something that does not matter in the least, if not for this voter fraud.

Voter fraud happens. I highly doubt to the extent he's claiming. But I want any fraud gone after. Especially if it's as rampant as claimed.

If Trump believed his own lying mouth, he would too.

The bolded above is it.

I'd like to tell him, "Just go do what you say you'll do and next election you won't have to worry about the popular vote - it doesn't matter anyway."

Wouldn't it be great if this was just the way to help usher in voter Photo ID??

Trump's thin skin is a potential cause for concern moving forward. So far it's not been much of a factor; however, I worry about his bruised ego getting in the way of governing objectively on certain matters.

Obama's narcissism got in the way of being objective as well. They all have some weaknesses.

Of course there is some fraud, we have 300 million people. But is it 3-5 million? No ******* way.

(01-25-2017 09:25 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Was there voter fraud, probably. but Trump needs to move past the election and get on with the business of being POTUS. Stop living in November and get on with the next four years.

Trump needs to move past it as a personal matter. But IF it's as pervasive as he claims, it needs to be confronted.

It needs confronted anyway, whatever the numbers. Investigate and maybe we finally get some sanity in the form of voter ID.

(01-25-2017 09:35 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Of course there is some fraud, we have 300 million people. But is it 3-5 million? No ******* way.

I understand your point; however, not all of that 300 million are eligible to vote plus a number of others don't care to. Based on actual participation, it was around 130 million people.

(01-25-2017 09:40 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 09:35 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Of course there is some fraud, we have 300 million people. But is it 3-5 million? No ******* way.

I understand your point; however, not all of that 300 million are eligible to vote plus a number of others don't care to. Based on actual participation, it was around 130 million people.

that is true. I just had 300 million in my head from something else.

There's of course a simple solution.....Universal voter registration for citizens. Have a citizens list. Require it for everything.

The liberal media is talking about crowd size and illegal voters while Trump is making America 1st again.

See Union Bosses...
See TPP....
See Netherlands 2nd....

(01-25-2017 10:07 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  There's of course a simple solution.....Universal voter registration for citizens. Have a citizens list. Require it for everything.

I thought liberals were opposed to that.

(01-25-2017 10:31 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 10:07 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  There's of course a simple solution.....Universal voter registration for citizens. Have a citizens list. Require it for everything.

I thought liberals were opposed to that.

I've never been opposed to that.

I've said for years that if we want voter I.D., let the national government issue them to each and every eligible voter in the entire United States.

Of course the states will oppose it, wanna guess why?

(01-25-2017 10:30 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The liberal media is talking about crowd size and illegal voters while Trump is making America 1st again.

See Union Bosses...
See TPP....
See Netherlands 2nd....

The Netherlands? WTF are you talking about?

We have witnessed 20 months of crazy/genius. With every ridiculous event and statement made, Trump popped up out of the mess with the winning ticket. As mentioned above, could this be the entrance of the rabbit hole that leads to voter photo ID?

(01-25-2017 10:39 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  We have witnessed 20 months of crazy/genius. With every ridiculous event and statement made, Trump popped up out of the mess with the winning ticket. As mentioned above, could this be the entrance of the rabbit hole that leads to voter photo ID?

No because the goal isn't voter integrity. The goal is voter suppression.