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(01-24-2017 05:14 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(01-24-2017 05:04 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So the Summit will be at 10 with all the Dakota schools in the same league.

One might speculate this will open NMSU to the Big Sky as a full member.....

I really doubt UMKC is kicking themselves and probably saw this coming eventually with the league being a Dakota led conference.

Seems like there would be a greater chance of the Big Sky offering NMSU, but I don't know why they'd accept unless FBS indy proves absolutely impossible to schedule. It doesn't solve their travel issues and the Big Sky is a worse basketball conference than the WAC at this point.

NMSU travel in the Big Sky would be nightmarish compared to the WAC now.
Since the Big Sky will have 13 fb members maybe this move allows NMSU to be a football affiliate like UCD and Sac. St. if FBS football doesn't work out.
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Dang! we are just weeks away from the football championship and suppose to have all the outrageous realignment speculation....but what we are getting is real realignment with the WAC and Summit....how disappointing! :)


So....I'm going to throw this out in conjunction with Seattle's coach Dollar saying that the WAC will have another expansion. The move of North Dakota to the Summit will make Oral Roberts or Omaha rethink their stay and possibly join the WAC.
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(01-24-2017 04:29 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This makes sense to me.

The Summit won the battle with the WAC. This is bad news for them. UMKC has to be kicking themselves for moving from the Summit to the WAC.

I'd say the Big Sky would backfill with NMSU, but I'm not sure they'll do it, seeing as how they treated Idaho. Although I suspect that ultimatum was really asked for by the UI President to force a move down.

The only ultimatum (at least as far as it was reported in the press) was that Idaho was given a specific date to make a decision regarding the 2018 season. If Idaho's administration wanted time, they could have opted to play 2018 as either an FBS or FCS independent.
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Big Sky solves no problems for NMSU.

It's not as good of a hoops league as the WAC and the travel is no improvement. WAC is not a bunch of short trips but they can fly direct from El Paso to Chicago St, Grand Canyon, and UTRGV, and can get directs to LA and bus 100 miles to Bakersfield.

The only workable solutions for NMSU are MWC, Sun Belt, CUSA and the Valley
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(01-24-2017 05:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-24-2017 04:29 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This makes sense to me.

The Summit won the battle with the WAC. This is bad news for them. UMKC has to be kicking themselves for moving from the Summit to the WAC.

I'd say the Big Sky would backfill with NMSU, but I'm not sure they'll do it, seeing as how they treated Idaho. Although I suspect that ultimatum was really asked for by the UI President to force a move down.



The only ultimatum (at least as far as it was reported in the press) was that Idaho was given a specific date to make a decision regarding the 2018 season. If Idaho's administration wanted time, they could have opted to play 2018 as either an FBS or FCS independent.

Correct. The Big Sky needed to make the 2018 schedules.
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Seems to me the late start in football might have something to do with the MVFC. My guess is that they don't want to have 11 schools and are either going to allow a Wichita St start up program to start up or anticipating losing Missouri St by then.

This has some other interesting implications for the Summit. UND will be their 5th football program; I think it puts them in a place to where they could leverage the MVFC if they ever felt they needed to. Two Minnesota D2 call ups and you potentially have both an FCS autobid but also hockey sponsorship. Northern Colorado is also out there as an option too.

Meanwhile back in the Big Sky I think NMSU gets the right of first refusal. It could also set off race for any western D2 football programs with aspirations or a GCU or a Utah Valley to jockey for inclusion.
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The other option would be for the Big Sky to send one school to the WAC for all sports but football, but keep it as a football affiliate. The logical candidate would be Northern Colorado, who is not particularly close to any other school in the league. UNC is a WAC member in baseball as well.
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I thought that people kept saying that the MVFC is full. Who is likely going to leave the MVFC for North Dakota to join?
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(01-24-2017 06:37 PM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  I thought that people kept saying that the MVFC is full. Who is likely going to leave the MVFC for North Dakota to join?

Mo St and Youngstown St are the the logical candidates, as both have expressed some passion for FBS in the past. Why anyone would take them now is a bigger question.
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(01-24-2017 05:00 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(01-24-2017 04:29 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This makes sense to me.

The Summit won the battle with the WAC. This is bad news for them. UMKC has to be kicking themselves for moving from the Summit to the WAC.

I'd say the Big Sky would backfill with NMSU, but I'm not sure they'll do it, seeing as how they treated Idaho. Although I suspect that ultimatum was really asked for by the UI President to force a move down.

Actually this is great news for the WAC as it gives the Summit ten members. That means the chances of the Summit taking back UMKC from the WAC just went down to about nil.

If the Big Sky takes a WAC school, they're in real trouble.
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(01-24-2017 06:35 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The other option would be for the Big Sky to send one school to the WAC for all sports but football, but keep it as a football affiliate. The logical candidate would be Northern Colorado, who is not particularly close to any other school in the league. UNC is a WAC member in baseball as well.

Well, football at PSU is always on a razor's edge as they have to be self funding to keep football. There have some years where they have contemplating dropping football.

Actually, Sac St. Would probably be the better candidate for the WAC.
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MVFC schools have the most balls to try to go FBS as one by using WAC's FBS status. Several members were already FBS at one time from 1978-1981 with New Mexico State.
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(01-24-2017 08:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  MVFC schools have the most balls to try to go FBS as one by using WAC's FBS status. Several members were already FBS at one time from 1978-1981 with New Mexico State.

As much as I would enjoy an FBS MVFC I am highly skeptical that this is what they have in my mind. Many feel that it would be an incredible stretch to inteprete that the WAC has a mandate to sponsor FBS let alone a conference that sponsored FBS a few decades ago and technically have FB administered as a separate league.

NDSU, SDSU, Mizz St, and Y'town St probably have the means and support to play at that level. I don't know that UNI, USD, UND, Illinois St, WIU, SIU, and Indiana St do.
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Perhaps instead of replacing UND as the 12th member the Big Sky should permit Sacramento St to court the Big West for full membership and draw the league back to 10 full members with a tighter footprint.

Someone on here suggested trying to boot Sacramento St to the WAC but somehow I don't think that the Hornets would go for it. The travel is about the same even though they'd be picking up two instate opponents in Cal St Bakersfield and Cal Baptist your talking trips to Utah, Seattle, Phoenix, Las Cruces, Brownsville, and Kansas City. Now if the WAC somehow got UCSD, which is doubtful, then maybe they make the move.
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(01-24-2017 08:36 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(01-24-2017 08:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  MVFC schools have the most balls to try to go FBS as one by using WAC's FBS status. Several members were already FBS at one time from 1978-1981 with New Mexico State.

As much as I would enjoy an FBS MVFC I am highly skeptical that this is what they have in my mind. Many feel that it would be an incredible stretch to inteprete that the WAC has a mandate to sponsor FBS let alone a conference that sponsored FBS a few decades ago and technically have FB administered as a separate league.

NDSU, SDSU, Mizz St, and Y'town St probably have the means and support to play at that level. I don't know that UNI, USD, UND, Illinois St, WIU, SIU, and Indiana St do.

UND has a far bigger budget than any of them, including Wichita State, as part of our ticket sales doesn't even see the light of day, as 2/3 of ticket sales goes directly to a charitable trust that isn't part of UND athletics yet. With nearly 250 k ticket saless just for hockey, America's hockey leader for years running, that is much more revenue than most G5 schools see. Students even have to pay for their hockey tickets, as they aren't free for them.
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(01-24-2017 05:30 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Dang! we are just weeks away from the football championship and suppose to have all the outrageous realignment speculation....but what we are getting is real realignment with the WAC and Summit....how disappointing! :)


So....I'm going to throw this out in conjunction with Seattle's coach Dollar saying that the WAC will have another expansion. The move of North Dakota to the Summit will make Oral Roberts or Omaha rethink their stay and possibly join the WAC.

Was just about to post this. ORU probably wouldn't want to hop around again after the Southland fiasco.

But would Oral Roberts be better in the WAC?
Summit has 4 Dakotas, a remote WIU, and faraway Fort Wayne and IUPUI. Omaha and Denver are the only two probably not seen as a negative by ORU.

WAC gives them closer geographical rival in UMKC than anyone in Summit. If you travel to Illinois, at least play in Chicago (Chicago St) than middle of nowhere in WIU. Rio Grande Valley is a game in Texas, where they recruit from. NMSU is a bigger program than anyone in Summit (except maybe NDSU) and is same distance to ORU as 4 Dakotas. Flight trips to Seattle/California/Phoenix more enticing than anything in Summit.

Of course Summit offers 10x more long term stability, but WAC would be a funner conference for Oral Roberts short term, and easier path to autobid. WAC should press them.

Edit: And ORU is big on baseball too, where I'd imagine WAC weather is more desirable than Summit weather.
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(01-24-2017 05:10 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-24-2017 05:07 PM)MJG Wrote:  Summit League going FBS 2020 you heard it here first.

I wonder if they will try to get Northern Colorado next.
Good travel partner for Denver and it would leave only Western Illinois without one.

The Big Sky could stay at ten or add CSUB and Seattle or wait for NMSU.
Or stay at ten hell I don't know its the realignment board.

They can't go FBS. The Slummit cannot go FBS. They are not allowed to.
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(01-24-2017 09:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Perhaps instead of replacing UND as the 12th member the Big Sky should permit Sacramento St to court the Big West for full membership and draw the league back to 10 full members with a tighter footprint.

Someone on here suggested trying to boot Sacramento St to the WAC but somehow I don't think that the Hornets would go for it. The travel is about the same even though they'd be picking up two instate opponents in Cal St Bakersfield and Cal Baptist your talking trips to Utah, Seattle, Phoenix, Las Cruces, Brownsville, and Kansas City. Now if the WAC somehow got UCSD, which is doubtful, then maybe they make the move.

Bad idea for the Sky to give away Sac State. It would lose its only full California member.
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(01-24-2017 09:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-24-2017 08:36 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(01-24-2017 08:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  MVFC schools have the most balls to try to go FBS as one by using WAC's FBS status. Several members were already FBS at one time from 1978-1981 with New Mexico State.

As much as I would enjoy an FBS MVFC I am highly skeptical that this is what they have in my mind. Many feel that it would be an incredible stretch to inteprete that the WAC has a mandate to sponsor FBS let alone a conference that sponsored FBS a few decades ago and technically have FB administered as a separate league.

NDSU, SDSU, Mizz St, and Y'town St probably have the means and support to play at that level. I don't know that UNI, USD, UND, Illinois St, WIU, SIU, and Indiana St do.

UND has a far bigger budget than any of them, including Wichita State, as part of our ticket sales doesn't even see the light of day, as 2/3 of ticket sales goes directly to a charitable trust that isn't part of UND athletics yet. With nearly 250 k ticket saless just for hockey, America's hockey leader for years running, that is much more revenue than most G5 schools see. Students even have to pay for their hockey tickets, as they aren't free for them.


What the....You know we pay are basketball coach damn near 3 million right???
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(01-24-2017 10:31 PM)Shox Wrote:  
(01-24-2017 09:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-24-2017 08:36 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(01-24-2017 08:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  MVFC schools have the most balls to try to go FBS as one by using WAC's FBS status. Several members were already FBS at one time from 1978-1981 with New Mexico State.

As much as I would enjoy an FBS MVFC I am highly skeptical that this is what they have in my mind. Many feel that it would be an incredible stretch to inteprete that the WAC has a mandate to sponsor FBS let alone a conference that sponsored FBS a few decades ago and technically have FB administered as a separate league.

NDSU, SDSU, Mizz St, and Y'town St probably have the means and support to play at that level. I don't know that UNI, USD, UND, Illinois St, WIU, SIU, and Indiana St do.

UND has a far bigger budget than any of them, including Wichita State, as part of our ticket sales doesn't even see the light of day, as 2/3 of ticket sales goes directly to a charitable trust that isn't part of UND athletics yet. With nearly 250 k ticket saless just for hockey, America's hockey leader for years running, that is much more revenue than most G5 schools see. Students even have to pay for their hockey tickets, as they aren't free for them.


What the....You know we pay are basketball coach damn near 3 million right???

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Wichita State - $26,682,738
Illinois State - $26,316,799
Missouri State - $25,180,896
North Dakota - $24,287,775
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