I realize that those two schools are rather academically selective, but there are no Jewish universities in DI. There are certainly reasons to stay DIII like Case-Western, Johns Hopkins, and the U of Chicago have done, but have they ever thought about it? Would think that there are sports that they would be a power in, like lacrosse, hockey, fencing and others. Brandeis is AAU and both have large endowments. A top athletic program in some sports can show America a different side of Jewish life.

(02-20-2017 10:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  I realize that those two schools are rather academically selective, but there are no Jewish universities in DI. There are certainly reasons to stay DIII like Case-Western, Johns Hopkins, and the U of Chicago have done, but have they ever thought about it? Would think that there are sports that they would be a power in, like lacrosse, hockey, fencing and others. Brandeis is AAU and both have large endowments. A top athletic program in some sports can show America a different side of Jewish life.

Not a priority for them. Yeshiva is an urban school. Brandeis is only 'nominally' Jewish.

Yeshiva University may want to explore adding some other sports, even if they are competing in Division III. There is the fact that they cannot play on Saturdays -- during the day and most Friday nights -- during the Jewish Sabbath -- but other teams can schedule them on other days. It is possible to play football and some other sports in the Liberty League, as an associate member, and remain in the Skyline Conference for other sports -- for the time being. One advantage for Yeshiva is that it has relatively strong graduate and professional schools so it could recruit transfers from other colleges who want to study for a law or business degree. Those graduate schools also do not have the dual curriculum -- Jewish studies and secular subjects -- that the undergraduate programs offer. FYI: Yeshiva's former basketball coach, Jonathan Halpert, was a legend in NYC collegiate sports.

Or, yknow, they flat-out don't care.

Yeshiva may see varsity sports as some of the academically strong universities see sports -- it improves overall student life, gets alumni and other donors interested in the college, and improves the overall culture of the campus. Students who attend faith-based colleges don't have to give up the athletic or fan experience. Maybe even Yeshiva could play Fordham in sports like basketball or baseball regularly. It would be a struggle for Yeshiva but the challenge would improve their teams.

Yeshiva might as well be NYU in terms of its location. It's not like they are putting up athletic infrastructure around its main location near the heart of Manhattan. They aren't like NYU, or didn't get a jump on buying all the land around them like NYU and Columbia have.

Brandeis...they've been buying up Waltham properties like it's going out of style. Interest might be the issue. Like Boston University, the enrollment profile is unique: significant international student body. Also, Jewish origins. AND it's a sausage factory...you might find it tough to find enough women's sports to sponsor.

(02-21-2017 11:41 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  AND it's a sausage factory...you might find it tough to find enough women's sports to sponsor.

EiA database shows (for 2014-15) that full time undergrads were 37xx, with 15xx male, and 21xx female ...

Oy vey!

(02-21-2017 01:18 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 11:41 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  AND it's a sausage factory...you might find it tough to find enough women's sports to sponsor.

EiA database shows (for 2014-15) that full time undergrads were 37xx, with 15xx male, and 21xx female ...

Yeah, I stand corrected. Other enrollment info has it between 40/60 to 45/55.

Well, take that with the 20-25% international population...I guess that's one way to deflate D1 aspirations?

Well, look at a school like the Citadel.

Again using EiA data for 2014-15 (they're behind getting the updated data pushed ... it's pending, hopefully soon):

Full-time undergrad enrollment: 25xx
Male: 23xx
Female: 189

Total unduplicated female varsity participants: 73

It has female varsity participants on XC/track, golf, rifle, soccer, vball.

(02-21-2017 01:18 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 11:41 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  AND it's a sausage factory...you might find it tough to find enough women's sports to sponsor.

EiA database shows (for 2014-15) that full time undergrads were 37xx, with 15xx male, and 21xx female ...

I really hate to ask, but I see a math problem. What are the other 1xx?

They're in the "xx" part.

For example, 1590 + 2120 = 3710

(02-22-2017 01:11 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  They're in the "xx" part.

For example, 1590 + 2120 = 3710

Rounding precision error. You'd expect better from a Electronic Sports and 4Chan school

(02-22-2017 02:32 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 01:11 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  They're in the "xx" part.

For example, 1590 + 2120 = 3710

Rounding precision error. You'd expect better from a Electronic Sports and 4Chan school

Back to the original question. . .
Maybe their accountants crunched the numbers leading to the decision it wouldn't pay off?

(02-22-2017 02:32 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Rounding precision error.

I didn't round them. I lopped off the digits, because I was too lazy to write them out.

(02-20-2017 10:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  I realize that those two schools are rather academically selective, but there are no Jewish universities in DI. There are certainly reasons to stay DIII like Case-Western, Johns Hopkins, and the U of Chicago have done, but have they ever thought about it? Would think that there are sports that they would be a power in, like lacrosse, hockey, fencing and others. Brandeis is AAU and both have large endowments. A top athletic program in some sports can show America a different side of Jewish life.

Brandeis is in a power academic conference:

Brandeis
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Chicago
Emory
New York University
Rochester
Washington U (St. Louis)

This conference is every bit the equal of the Ivy academically (although with less money). It's also surprisingly geographically diverse, which allows for travel opportunities for students. It would be impossible for them to replace this group of schools at the D1 level unless the whole conference moved up (which isn't happening).

Sure, they don't get the exposure of the Ivies. But is the exposure of Ivy-level basketball really worth the sticker price?

And D3 is fine. Definitely more friendly to the student athlete. And the student support at those schools.

Like, has anyone noticed how the scheduling of college basketball during the weekday has turned into a primetime thing in D1? It used to be there would be games in the mid-afternoon onward, with travel and academics considered for both host and guest. You could go to a game after class. A lot of the smaller conferences used to do that. Now? Can't tell me everybody isn't getting some cut of television money...no game starts before 7 on a weeknight. And, you have eastern games starting as late as 9?

D3 still has that feel. The skill level isn't the same as D1, but it seems more authentic and integrated into the institution.

Any school moving up to D1...it's a lot to ask of its students.

(02-23-2017 12:01 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 10:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  I realize that those two schools are rather academically selective, but there are no Jewish universities in DI. There are certainly reasons to stay DIII like Case-Western, Johns Hopkins, and the U of Chicago have done, but have they ever thought about it? Would think that there are sports that they would be a power in, like lacrosse, hockey, fencing and others. Brandeis is AAU and both have large endowments. A top athletic program in some sports can show America a different side of Jewish life.

Brandeis is in a power academic conference:

Brandeis
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Chicago
Emory
New York University
Rochester
Washington U (St. Louis)

This conference is every bit the equal of the Ivy academically (although with less money). It's also surprisingly geographically diverse, which allows for travel opportunities for students. It would be impossible for them to replace this group of schools at the D1 level unless the whole conference moved up (which isn't happening).

Sure, they don't get the exposure of the Ivies. But is the exposure of Ivy-level basketball really worth the sticker price?

I went to grad school at one of the above schools. They *could* move up, but see no need to.

Schools in the UAA don't need D1 to recruit students or get their name out into the wider world.

UAA -- which also used to have Johns Hopkins, I believe -- are the best research schools in the country that have de-emphasized athletics.

(02-23-2017 09:36 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-23-2017 12:01 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 10:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  I realize that those two schools are rather academically selective, but there are no Jewish universities in DI. There are certainly reasons to stay DIII like Case-Western, Johns Hopkins, and the U of Chicago have done, but have they ever thought about it? Would think that there are sports that they would be a power in, like lacrosse, hockey, fencing and others. Brandeis is AAU and both have large endowments. A top athletic program in some sports can show America a different side of Jewish life.

Brandeis is in a power academic conference:

Brandeis
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Chicago
Emory
New York University
Rochester
Washington U (St. Louis)

This conference is every bit the equal of the Ivy academically (although with less money). It's also surprisingly geographically diverse, which allows for travel opportunities for students. It would be impossible for them to replace this group of schools at the D1 level unless the whole conference moved up (which isn't happening).

Sure, they don't get the exposure of the Ivies. But is the exposure of Ivy-level basketball really worth the sticker price?

I went to grad school at one of the above schools. They *could* move up, but see no need to.

Schools in the UAA don't need D1 to recruit students or get their name out into the wider world.

Did they purposely take the name UAA because it is AAU backwards? It's now the only AAU exclusive conference.