at Toledo. With this question being directed at the basketball programs.

Tricia is obviously nowhere near being on a hot seat, but what would it take? 2 years of being bounced before Cleveland and .500 records or worse?

For Tod, if he loses 3 times to EMU again and plays another road game in the tourney is his seat warm?

For lots of programs .500 isnt that bad, but we obviously have different standards here. ESPECIALLY on the WBB side where we are accustomed to winning at least 20 games.

Thoughts?

MOB seems content with mediocrity. As long as academics remain strong, and there are no serious off court issues, no changes will be made.

(01-17-2017 01:15 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  at Toledo. With this question being directed at the basketball programs.

Tricia is obviously nowhere near being on a hot seat, but what would it take? 2 years of being bounced before Cleveland and .500 records or worse?

For Tod, if he loses 3 times to EMU again and plays another road game in the tourney is his seat warm?

For lots of programs .500 isnt that bad, but we obviously have different standards here. ESPECIALLY on the WBB side where we are accustomed to winning at least 20 games.

Thoughts?

Why? What have past coaches done that have raised the bar for future coaches? Not making an NCAA appearance in 35+ years isn't on only one coach. That's on multiple coaches. Including the one that the court is named after.

(01-17-2017 01:50 PM)rockytop Wrote:  MOB seems content with mediocrity. As long as academics remain strong, and there are no serious off court issues, no changes will be made.

The possibility that this may be accurate is what frustrates me. It's almost as if someone believes that only one of the 2 is possible--good citizens/students OR win championships--and we'd rather be known as the school that has quality kids if we have to pick one over the other. And I'd be OK with that...but these aren't mutually exclusive options. Plenty of schools win championships in one sport or another, and do it without making the headlines for negative reasons and/or having kids be academically ineligible. While I'm not happy about it, I would expect that both Tricia & TK should be on the "hot seat" if they don't maintain at least winning records over the next few seasons. I'm being uncharacteristically optimistic about both, however...

(01-17-2017 02:32 PM)toledobrad Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 01:15 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  at Toledo. With this question being directed at the basketball programs.

Tricia is obviously nowhere near being on a hot seat, but what would it take? 2 years of being bounced before Cleveland and .500 records or worse?

For Tod, if he loses 3 times to EMU again and plays another road game in the tourney is his seat warm?

For lots of programs .500 isnt that bad, but we obviously have different standards here. ESPECIALLY on the WBB side where we are accustomed to winning at least 20 games.

Thoughts?

Why? What have past coaches done that have raised the bar for future coaches? Not making an NCAA appearance in 35+ years isn't on only one coach. That's on multiple coaches. Including the one that the court is named after.

Tricia is 98 games above .500 for her career at Toledo. That's outstanding. Since she took over a bad WBB program, we have been better than .500 every single season, and usually pretty far above. That's a standard that only BG and CMU have been able to compete with. Even though EMU has been successful against us, their program is not nearly revered like ours is with the fan support and overall OOC play we bring to the table. No one in the MAC has fans or anything like Tricia has brought here. I would let her go 5-25 for two seasons before putting her on the hot seat.

MBB... NIU has been garbage for their entire time in the MAC pretty much. Miami has been very down lately. Ball State is up and down, but when down...very down. Lots of programs have a year or two of success and fall back to bottom dwelling. We seem to be the most consistent at being average? Maybe like Kent State since T.K. took over.

I wouldn't mind a couple bad seasons for some great ones. Akron and Ohio are the programs to live by nowadays in the MAC in basketball. They remind me more of Toledo and NIU's football programs of consistently being Good/Great. In the last 6 seasons how many teams have better overall records? I bet we're better than at least half of the league. I still believe T.K. should be on the hot seat now though because he's had his players with no change since 2012.

(01-17-2017 03:56 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 02:32 PM)toledobrad Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 01:15 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  at Toledo. With this question being directed at the basketball programs.

Tricia is obviously nowhere near being on a hot seat, but what would it take? 2 years of being bounced before Cleveland and .500 records or worse?

For Tod, if he loses 3 times to EMU again and plays another road game in the tourney is his seat warm?

For lots of programs .500 isnt that bad, but we obviously have different standards here. ESPECIALLY on the WBB side where we are accustomed to winning at least 20 games.

Thoughts?

Why? What have past coaches done that have raised the bar for future coaches? Not making an NCAA appearance in 35+ years isn't on only one coach. That's on multiple coaches. Including the one that the court is named after.

Tricia is 98 games above .500 for her career at Toledo. That's outstanding. Since she took over a bad WBB program, we have been better than .500 every single season, and usually pretty far above. That's a standard that only BG and CMU have been able to compete with. Even though EMU has been successful against us, their program is not nearly revered like ours is with the fan support and overall OOC play we bring to the table. No one in the MAC has fans or anything like Tricia has brought here. I would let her go 5-25 for two seasons before putting her on the hot seat.

MBB... NIU has been garbage for their entire time in the MAC pretty much. Miami has been very down lately. Ball State is up and down, but when down...very down. Lots of programs have a year or two of success and fall back to bottom dwelling. We seem to be the most consistent at being average? Maybe like Kent State since T.K. took over.

I wouldn't mind a couple bad seasons for some great ones. Akron and Ohio are the programs to live by nowadays in the MAC in basketball. They remind me more of Toledo and NIU's football programs of consistently being Good/Great. In the last 6 seasons how many teams have better overall records? I bet we're better than at least half of the league. I still believe T.K. should be on the hot seat now though because he's had his players with no change since 2012.

+1

(01-17-2017 02:32 PM)toledobrad Wrote:  Why? What have past coaches done that have raised the bar for future coaches? Not making an NCAA appearance in 35+ years isn't on only one coach. That's on multiple coaches. Including the one that the court is named after.

Although much of Bob Nichols success is attributed to Jim McDonald by many, nevertheless, Nichols was the head coach for two NCAA Rocket teams, and IMO deserves a pass when examining the drought even though he did reside over the first 7 years of the drought following his two back to back appearances in the NCAAs.

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(01-17-2017 05:28 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 02:32 PM)toledobrad Wrote:  Why? What have past coaches done that have raised the bar for future coaches? Not making an NCAA appearance in 35+ years isn't on only one coach. That's on multiple coaches. Including the one that the court is named after.

Although much of Bob Nichols success is attributed to Jim McDonald by many, nevertheless, Nichols was the head coach for two NCAA Rocket teams, and IMO deserves a pass when examining the drought even though he did reside over the first 7 years of the drought following his two back to back appearances in the NCAAs.

Nichols had three NCAA appearances, one of which was before McDonald got here.