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RE: Will Vanderbilt or Kentucky ever win an SEC title?
(01-20-2017 07:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: (01-17-2017 02:00 PM)JRsec Wrote: (01-17-2017 04:43 AM)BruceMcF Wrote: (01-16-2017 09:02 PM)Dasville Wrote: Vandy does great in baseball and other sports and uk does fine in basketball and other sports. A conference is more than just one sport.
The OP does not mention any sport, in either the piece or the subject line, so by implication it not asking about just one sport.
But since Vandy won the SEC BBall Tourney in 2012, Women's Tennis in 2015, women's cross-country in 2011, while Kentucky is the reigning Tourney champion and was women's soccer champions in 2006, the question as written doesn't make much sense.
Yes it does Bruce. It is another of this board's G5 set ups to say that there are schools within the P5 that shouldn't be there based upon some kind of nebulous sports record rather than maturely looking at a picture that encompasses all facets of realignment where size of fan base, size of endowments, levels of research, minimum ACT & SAT scores for entrance, number of post graduates, ability to draw a crowd of viewers on the tube, the % and size of travelling fan bases, and total value to a conference are actually measured.
It is the only approach by which some schools can stake a claim to belong. We're better than Kentucky in football. We are better than Indiana in football. We are better than Wake Forest in football (although Wake just had a good year), and usually they toss in Purdue.
There are many reasons there are oodles of schools, which can gain some notoriety in football, that will never be considered for peer relationships, or as a member of a shared conference, by the large state schools invested in research, which happen to pack their venue with 80,0000 plus week after week, and which can score at least a !/3rd share of football viewers on a Saturday.
As Tommy Lee Jones says in No Country for Old Men, "It's not just the one thing, it's the dismal tide". These threads are designed to look at the one thing, and ignore the dismal tide of other exclusionary factors.
While there are those who look at this from a sports perspective, the fact is that many P5 schools do not belong based on off-the-field criteria as well. The upper half of the American Conference is clearly better than Ole Miss, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Washington State, Oregon State, Kansas State, Texas Tech, West Virginia, and Louisville when it comes to off-the-field metrics.
While some of these belong in the P5 based on their fanbase or their winning teams, many are clearly lacking in those categories too.
Cite your facts across the spectrum of factors I listed: Attendance, Endowment, Athletic Department Revenue, Travel Size, Academics, Market Penetration, Flagship Status, and On Field/Court Performance. You are still cherry picking your criteria. BTW, the criteria I cited are all factors considered in SEC expansion.
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