Sleeping Giant... I think of this.

(01-12-2017 12:04 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  So following this Logic does than mean UCLA and USC will see a large negative impact by the Chargers moving there?

If this domino means The Raiders move to Las Vegas, does this greatly impact UNLV football in a negative way?

Having lived in Southern California the temptation continues to be great to put NFL Franchises in that massive TV market but they always seem to fade. I remember going to L.A Rams games in Anaheim, Raiders games in the Coliseum and even L.A. Express games in the Coliseum with Steve Young at QB. Raiders might as well move to Las Vegas since a ton of Californians have fled to Nevada to avoid being taxed to death.

UCLA and USC always depend on how they are doing for the crowds to show up. They disappear as fast as they show up kind of like Miami Hurricanes crowds in a Dolphin market suck when the Hurricanes suck but people come out and jump on the bandwagon fast if the Hurricanes, Trojans or Bruins are playing well.

Billybobby
Houston can support college football with plenty of fans, it's not the Texans or the rockets or Astros that is hurting the Cougars it's the axis powers of college football that want to kill off and or limit more than half of FBS programs
And by the way the Texans are staying in Houston as are the Rockets and Astros, all of our pro teams are doing really good these days and so are the Cougars

FANS APLENTY IN HOUSTON

(01-12-2017 01:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 12:45 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 12:04 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  So following this Logic does than mean UCLA and USC will see a large negative impact by the Chargers moving there?

If this domino means The Raiders move to Las Vegas, does this greatly impact UNLV football in a negative way?

Actually, the Raiders moving to Vegas would be a huge get for UNLV Football...as it would mean UNLV would be soon moving to a brand new NFL stadium located on/near the strip & campus while finaly leaving their own well off-campus most bleacher stadium located in middle of nowhere.



But yes, SDSU should benefit with the Chargers moving up the road to LA...as many corporate sponsors and probably many SDSU Alumni suddenly have available entertainment $$ that they could use on SDSU Football.

Also, the Univ might gain control of the old multipurpose stadium and renovate it into a real (and smaller) 35,000-40,000 seat college football stadium...which would help SDSU sell season tix for the very first time since there are never games fans have to ever worrying about selling out playing in the huge Chargers stadium now.

Renovated stadium will help bring in more booster $$$ and increase season tix sales with much more limited capacity and improvements.

If the premise of the thread is that SDSU attendance is about to take off due to being the only game in town---why would you want a 35-40K seat stadium? Those two options seem to be indications of two different futures. I would think a renovation to Qualcomm resulting in a slightly more cozy 50-60K venue would make more sense.

SDSU does not need a 60,000 seat stadium....as most recent stadium renovations have seen a decrease in stadium capacity (Old Stanford STadium 85,000 seats, new Stanford Stadium 50,000 seats), as its all about amenities (i.e. new REVENUE), not capacity, and limited capacity helps increase booster donations.

Correct, rice went from 70,000 to 50,000 after recent renovations

(01-12-2017 04:08 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Correct, rice went from 70,000 to 50,000 after recent renovations

Probably would have been better for Rice to go to 5,000 instead of 50,000!

(01-12-2017 04:02 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Billybobby
Houston can support college football with plenty of fans, it's not the Texans or the rockets or Astros that is hurting the Cougars it's the axis powers of college football that want to kill off and or limit more than half of FBS programs
And by the way the Texans are staying in Houston as are the Rockets and Astros, all of our pro teams are doing really good these days and so are the Cougars

Agree that the BCS/P5 thing is hurting Houston. No question. If Miami was in the AAC and Houston was in the SEC....Miami wouldn't have a football program and Houston would be an ESPN promoted powerhouse. If Rutgers was in the AAC, and ECU was in the ACC or SEC....you see where I'm going.
Cheers!

(01-12-2017 01:32 PM)StatueKnight Wrote:  I hate the moniker "sleeping giant" I have been hearing that crap for 30 years. It just means that your potential will never be realized.

UCF being in Orlando is constantly called that (No NFL; huge market) why is that a bad thing?
Cheers!

SDSU was temporarily added to the old Big East in the middle of expansion before they left as the league went haywire. Couldn't hurt them to ask to reconsider as we could make them part of a new Western expansion. Navy would be playing there every other year and the stadium would sell out thanks to the Naval Base in San Diego.

(01-12-2017 04:04 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 01:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 12:45 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 12:04 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  So following this Logic does than mean UCLA and USC will see a large negative impact by the Chargers moving there?

If this domino means The Raiders move to Las Vegas, does this greatly impact UNLV football in a negative way?

Actually, the Raiders moving to Vegas would be a huge get for UNLV Football...as it would mean UNLV would be soon moving to a brand new NFL stadium located on/near the strip & campus while finaly leaving their own well off-campus most bleacher stadium located in middle of nowhere.



But yes, SDSU should benefit with the Chargers moving up the road to LA...as many corporate sponsors and probably many SDSU Alumni suddenly have available entertainment $$ that they could use on SDSU Football.

Also, the Univ might gain control of the old multipurpose stadium and renovate it into a real (and smaller) 35,000-40,000 seat college football stadium...which would help SDSU sell season tix for the very first time since there are never games fans have to ever worrying about selling out playing in the huge Chargers stadium now.

Renovated stadium will help bring in more booster $$$ and increase season tix sales with much more limited capacity and improvements.

If the premise of the thread is that SDSU attendance is about to take off due to being the only game in town---why would you want a 35-40K seat stadium? Those two options seem to be indications of two different futures. I would think a renovation to Qualcomm resulting in a slightly more cozy 50-60K venue would make more sense.

SDSU does not need a 60,000 seat stadium....as most recent stadium renovations have seen a decrease in stadium capacity (Old Stanford STadium 85,000 seats, new Stanford Stadium 50,000 seats), as its all about amenities (i.e. new REVENUE), not capacity, and limited capacity helps increase booster donations.

Yep, Stanford is a good example. With TV, seats in stadiums are going down. Baylor built their beautiful state of the art stadium to seat only 45k. Lots of examples of this.
Cheers!

So San Diego St have 5 or 6 seasons to play in Qualcomm before they have to pay for it correct? That's a win win for them if true.
Cheers!

(01-12-2017 09:53 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  So San Diego St have 5 or 6 seasons to play in Qualcomm before they have to pay for it correct? That's a win win for them if true.
Cheers!

Whoa, SDSU thread I didnt create.

Yes, the Chargers leaving is the best thing that has ever happened to SDSU. As you all know, we have already awoke, however, this will ensure we truly rise to the next level. The campus will expand, school prestige will rise, and the football program will have a state of the art college football stadium.

I think geography keeps us out of a P5 conference, but "SDSU West" will ensure we are highly desirable.

Nothing against SDSU, but the estimated population of 1,394,928 makes the "sleeping giant" title far from a valid stamp.

(01-12-2017 12:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 11:42 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 11:32 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I know there's multiple threads about this but they are wondering if it's a good thing that the Chargers are leaving SD. Does a dehydrated runner need water? Does it matter? Of course. This is a gigantic win for San Diego St. There are so many pro-NFL posters on this board which I'll never understand as the NFL sucks the blood out of their college teams. But I digress...The question should be: How Big does SDSU rise now. Rocky Long is a Medicore coach...if he retired and they were able to snag a PJ Fleck they'd be a force. Coog fans: imagine if their were no NFL in Houston and how wonderful that would be? I'll be watching and hoping North Carolina loses the NFL and NBA (again) pro sports are a cancer to a college football team.

Cheers!

Yeah, parity is the worst. Can't wait for the Alabama-Clemson national championship tiebreaker next year. Over ten years, I think Alabama will lead the series 6-4. Just my $.02.

I wish the NFL was allowed in Alabama and South Carolina. Then some schools would fade away....haha...SEC is too smart for that, they'd never allow more NFL teams in their area. Let's see, Saints will be gone someday soon, as will the Jags and Titans...Falcons may hang on for awhile. I suppose there will never be NFL in Arkansas, South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Kentucky. Do I dare call St Louis and Houston SEC country? Nah...
Cheers!

Dude, have you lost your mind?? It's not a question of Alabama & South Carolina in. It's the other way around . The NFL determined a long time ago that the largest cities in the states of Alabama & South Carolina were too small for pro football teams. The main reason why Mark Davis wants to move to Las Vegas has something to do with what Sactown dog brought up once before:

(12-18-2016 10:43 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-17-2016 08:21 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
Ok, I will make those modifications also.

California is interesting as you can see few parts of the state have a strong college affiliation at all. Tying it back to the Pac-12 expansion thread you can see this in the quicklink sections of papers as you go down the valley: Redding, Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, Fresno, Bakersfield. With the exception of Stockton, each of those cities is a 90 min drive down 99 North to South and not a Single PAC12 school on the banner in any of them.

That's the markets the Raiders are after, IMO. Vegas kinda gives a backdoor access to them, IMO.

(01-12-2017 11:32 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I know there's multiple threads about this but they are wondering if it's a good thing that the Chargers are leaving SD. Does a dehydrated runner need water? Does it matter? Of course. This is a gigantic win for San Diego St. There are so many pro-NFL posters on this board which I'll never understand as the NFL sucks the blood out of their college teams. But I digress...The question should be: How Big does SDSU rise now. Rocky Long is a Medicore coach...if he retired and they were able to snag a PJ Fleck they'd be a force. Coog fans: imagine if their were no NFL in Houston and how wonderful that would be? I'll be watching and hoping North Carolina loses the NFL and NBA (again) pro sports are a cancer to a college football team.

Cheers!

Yeah, we saw what it was like not to have the NFL in Houston. Neither Rice nor Houston took advantage of it, both of them still being considered majors in the immediate aftermath of the collapse of the SWC.

SDSU better start going undefeated every year.

(01-12-2017 01:32 PM)StatueKnight Wrote:  I hate the moniker "sleeping giant" I have been hearing that crap for 30 years. It just means that your potential will never be realized.

Seriously, what sleeping giant has ever woken up? I'm still waiting on Rutgers to finally come online.

(01-12-2017 09:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Agree that the BCS/P5 thing is hurting Houston. No question. If Miami was in the AAC and Houston was in the SEC....Miami wouldn't have a football program and Houston would be an ESPN promoted powerhouse. If Rutgers was in the AAC, and ECU was in the ACC or SEC....you see where I'm going.
Cheers!

You wish ECU was in the ACC. They'd probably be going to the playoffs since they dominate the ACC so much, yet suck against pretty much everyone else. Rutgers probably couldn't win the Sun Belt, let alone the AAC or B1G.

(01-12-2017 03:00 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  Sleeping Giant... I think of this.

I think of this in Thunder Bay:

(01-13-2017 05:14 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 11:32 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I know there's multiple threads about this but they are wondering if it's a good thing that the Chargers are leaving SD. Does a dehydrated runner need water? Does it matter? Of course. This is a gigantic win for San Diego St. There are so many pro-NFL posters on this board which I'll never understand as the NFL sucks the blood out of their college teams. But I digress...The question should be: How Big does SDSU rise now. Rocky Long is a Medicore coach...if he retired and they were able to snag a PJ Fleck they'd be a force. Coog fans: imagine if their were no NFL in Houston and how wonderful that would be? I'll be watching and hoping North Carolina loses the NFL and NBA (again) pro sports are a cancer to a college football team.

Cheers!

Yeah, we saw what it was like not to have the NFL in Houston. Neither Rice nor Houston took advantage of it, both of them still being considered majors in the immediate aftermath of the collapse of the SWC.

SDSU better start going undefeated every year.

They have an opportunity here, which they better not squander; not to mention the fact that the NFL will place another team there eventually.

I have no doubts Losing Chargers will be a positive for SD State How big a positive time will tell. Pro fans and College fans, while they overlap are not one and the same. There will be short term positives for your school, but then again SD is now the city that couldn't hold on to their NFL team. The 2 things may somewhat balance them selves out.