I guess he was doing other stuff for the last 8 years and just noticed his home town has some issues.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/obama-r...spartanntp

(01-10-2017 12:32 PM)banker Wrote:  I guess he was doing other stuff for the last 8 years and just noticed his home town has some issues.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/obama-r...spartanntp

If he had done anything else, you would be in here criticizing him for focusing too much on his home town.

No, I wouldn't. Acting like you are going to do something with 10 days to go in your presidency after ignoring what has been a major problem for the last 2 years, at a minimum, is more about legacy desire than true concern.

(01-10-2017 12:36 PM)banker Wrote:  No, I wouldn't. Acting like you are going to do something with 10 days to go in your presidency after ignoring what has been a major problem for the last 2 years, at a minimum, is more about legacy desire than true concern.

If he is just "acting" why should you even care?

I don't care, I think it's funny. The OP is making fun of Obama for yet another worthless act of show over substance (i.e. his whole presidency).

(01-10-2017 12:41 PM)banker Wrote:  I don't care, I think it's funny. The OP is making fun of Obama for yet another worthless act of show over substance (i.e. his whole presidency).

If all he did for 8 years was act instead of show, what is everyone so upset about?

He let the country drift along in an economic abyss, allowed race relations to worsen (much of which is an economic problem), ignored the rise of the Islamic extreme (i.e. "the junior varsity"), etc. What he did do was act cool and play a whole lot of golf while stirring the pot.

(01-10-2017 01:56 PM)banker Wrote:  He let the country drift along in an economic abyss, allowed race relations to worsen (much of which is an economic problem), ignored the rise of the Islamic extreme (i.e. "the junior varsity"), etc. What he did do was act cool and play a whole lot of golf while stirring the pot.

There isn't much else he could have done with Republicans doing everything they could to oppose him.

Race relations worsened in part because a segment of the country was enraged that he was elected president in the first place. Politicians capitalized on this outrage for their own personal gain.

He never ignored the Islamic extremist as he attacked them with drone strikes and killed Osama. Have you forgotten that we were attacked by him under the previous administration? We haven't has an attack like that since.

(01-10-2017 02:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  There isn't much else he could have done with Republicans doing everything they could to oppose him.

Republicans opposed him because they were the opposition party. That's what the opposition party is supposed to do. When has the opposition party not opposed the party in power? When has the opposition party not sought to win the next election?

Republicans also opposed him because he is an arrogant, condescending, narcissistic a-hole. Hell, he is such a f-ing a-hole that he had a hard time getting his own party to go along with him when they had a supermajority.

Quote:Race relations worsened in part because a segment of the country was enraged that he was elected president in the first place. Politicians capitalized on this outrage for their own personal gain.

BS. That whole "opposed him because he was a black man" line has been paraded around for 8 years with basically no support. He got treated no worse than Shrub. Better, in fact. Or did I miss the movie about killing Obama? People opposed him because they did not go for his socialist/communist policies. Neither did his own party, which is why none of them actually happened (that and the fact that he is too big an a-hole to work with people). For that we can all be eternally grateful.

Quote:He never ignored the Islamic extremist as he attacked them with drone strikes and killed Osama. Have you forgotten that we were attacked by him under the previous administration? We haven't has an attack like that since.

Being president when things happen does not mean that you did anything to make them happen. In this case, there is a significant body of evidence that 1) the steps that led to killing bin Laden had been put into place long before Obama, and 2) if anything, Obama hindered the process rather than helping it. IIRC, Seal Team SIX killed bin Laden, not Obama.

Quote:Republicans opposed him because they were the opposition party. That's what the opposition party is supposed to do. When has the opposition party not opposed the party in power? When has the opposition party not sought to win the next election?

There is nothing wrong with being the opposition party and disagreeing with him on policy. They took it to the next level however when they had a secret meeting and vowed to oppose him. They even walked away from their own policies when he supported them.

Quote:Republicans also opposed him because he is an arrogant, condescending, narcissistic a-hole. Hell, he is such a f-ing a-hole that he had a hard time getting his own party to go along with him when they had a supermajority.

I think the same could be said about just about every President we had. You think Obama was bad, wait a while. Trump is going to make him look like Mother Teressa.

Quote:BS. That whole "opposed him because he was a black man" line has been paraded around for 8 years with basically no support. He got treated no worse than Shrub. Better, in fact. Or did I miss the movie about killing Obama? People opposed him because they did not go for his socialist/communist policies. Neither did his own party, which is why none of them actually happened (that and the fact that he is too big an a-hole to work with people). For that we can all be eternally grateful.

You have got to be ******* high. Before he took office, half of the Republican Party believed he was either a Muslim or not born in America.

Quote:Being president when things happen does not mean that you did anything to make them happen. In this case, there is a significant body of evidence that 1) the steps that led to killing bin Laden had been put into place long before Obama, and 2) if anything, Obama hindered the process rather than helping it. IIRC, Seal Team SIX killed bin Laden, not Obama.

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Really? Tell that to the people who believe Reagan ended the cold war.

You may not want to give Obama credit for killing OBL but at least he didn't say he no longer thinks about him the way Bush Jr. did.

(01-10-2017 04:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  They even walked away from their own policies when he supported them.

Name one of their own policies that they walked away from when he supported them.

Quote:I think the same could be said about just about every President we had. You think Obama was bad, wait a while. Trump is going to make him look like Mother Teressa.

So you agree he was bad?

Quote:You have got to be ******* high. Before he took office, half of the Republican Party believed he was either a Muslim or not born in America.

BS. That the Goebbels approach, keep telling a big enough lie long enough and it becomes the truth. Were there some people who believed those things? Almost certainly so. Were they anywhere near half the republicans? No, not remotely close.

Quote:Really? Tell that to the people who believe Reagan ended the cold war.

There's a big difference. There are specific policy decisions that Reagan made that brought about the end of the Cold War. Obama was just along for the ride. Reagan wasn't just being president when the Soviet Union started to fall, he actually did things to bring it down. Obama was president when we killed bin Laden, but from what has been reported widely, he wouldn't have even been that if Panetta and Hillary hadn't pushed him to the nth degree to do it.

(01-10-2017 12:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 12:41 PM)banker Wrote:  I don't care, I think it's funny. The OP is making fun of Obama for yet another worthless act of show over substance (i.e. his whole presidency).

If all he did for 8 years was act instead of show, what is everyone so upset about?

Hey look everyone, it's opposite day in Fit-land!!

(01-10-2017 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 12:32 PM)banker Wrote:  I guess he was doing other stuff for the last 8 years and just noticed his home town has some issues.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/obama-r...spartanntp

If he had done anything else, you would be in here criticizing him for focusing too much on his home town.

Not me! I'd have been all for declaring Obama Dictator of Chicago for Life so long as he never touched the Presidency. I'd gladly surrender his "hometown" to him.

Quote:Name one of their own policies that they walked away from when he supported them.

Republicans walked away from a bipartisan Senate compromise, placing the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance at risk. [12/20/11]
91 Republicans walked away from the measure to extend the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance, and GOP leadership relied on 147 Democrats to pass it. [2/17/12]
Republicans walked away from the bipartisan Senate highway bill, which passed the Senate with 74 votes. [February-June 2012]
Republicans introduced their budget, which walked away from the Budget Control Act spending levels they agreed to in August 2011 [March 20, 2012]
93 Republicans walked away from reauthorizing the Export-Import Bank, and GOP leadership relied on 183 Democrats to pass the bill. [5/9/12]
52 Republicans walked away from a conference report to provide long-term highway funding, and GOP leadership relied on 187 Democrats to pass it. [6/29/12]
Republicans walked away from American workers by allowing part of the Trade Adjustment Assistance program, which provides critical job training and worker assistance, to expire. [12/31/13]
Republicans walked away from 1.3 million Americans by blocking consideration of legislation to renew emergency unemployment insurance, which expired on December 28. [1/9/14]
Republicans walked away from extending emergency unemployment assistance for people who lost their jobs on or before April 1, 2014. [1/15/14]
Republicans walked away from extending emergency unemployment assistance for people who lost their jobs on or before July 1, 2014. [1/28/14]
Republicans walked away from the Fair Minimum Wage Act, which increases the federal minimum wage for employees to $10.10 an hour. [2/26/14, 2/27/14, 4/2/14, 4/4/14, 4/29/14, 7/30/14]
Republicans walked away from extending emergency unemployment assistance for people who lost their jobs on or before January 1, 2015. [3/5/14, 3/6/14]
Republicans walked away from extending emergency unemployment assistance for people who lost their jobs on or before June 1, 2014. The measure Republicans voted against was identical to a bill that passed the Senate with bipartisan support. [4/8/14, 5/7/14]

https://www.democraticwhip.gov/content/j...bstruction

Quote:So you agree he was bad?

On the contrary. I think he will be remembered as one of the best presidents that we have ever had.



BS. That the Goebbels approach, keep telling a big enough lie long enough and it becomes the truth. Were there some people who believed those things? Almost certainly so. Were they anywhere near half the republicans? No, not remotely close.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=ch...s%20muslim

Quote:There's a big difference. There are specific policy decisions that Reagan made that brought about the end of the Cold War. Obama was just along for the ride. Reagan wasn't just being president when the Soviet Union started to fall, he actually did things to bring it down. Obama was president when we killed bin Laden, but from what has been reported widely, he wouldn't have even been that if Panetta and Hillary hadn't pushed him to the nth degree to do it.

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Reagan may have done some policy that helped end the Cold War but we fought the cold war for years before Reagan became president. It was going to happen anyway. Just like you say Obama was just along for the ride so was Reagan.

(01-10-2017 12:39 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 12:36 PM)banker Wrote:  No, I wouldn't. Acting like you are going to do something with 10 days to go in your presidency after ignoring what has been a major problem for the last 2 years, at a minimum, is more about legacy desire than true concern.

If he is just "acting" why should you even care?

Narcissists care about one thing

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(01-10-2017 12:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 12:41 PM)banker Wrote:  I don't care, I think it's funny. The OP is making fun of Obama for yet another worthless act of show over substance (i.e. his whole presidency).

If all he did for 8 years was act instead of show, what is everyone so upset about?

How about caring for just this past year !
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(01-11-2017 01:09 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 12:39 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 12:36 PM)banker Wrote:  No, I wouldn't. Acting like you are going to do something with 10 days to go in your presidency after ignoring what has been a major problem for the last 2 years, at a minimum, is more about legacy desire than true concern.

If he is just "acting" why should you even care?

Narcissists care about one thing

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I wasn't talking about the poster.

(01-11-2017 01:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Reagan may have done some policy that helped end the Cold War but we fought the cold war for years before Reagan became president. It was going to happen anyway. Just like you say Obama was just along for the ride so was Reagan.

So, let me get this straight.

We fought the Cold War for years. Reagan made some policy decisions that brought the Cold War to an end. Therefore, Reagan had nothing to do with ending the Cold War.

WTF?

(01-11-2017 01:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 01:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Reagan may have done some policy that helped end the Cold War but we fought the cold war for years before Reagan became president. It was going to happen anyway. Just like you say Obama was just along for the ride so was Reagan.

So, let me get this straight.

We fought the Cold War for years. Reagan made some policy decisions that brought the Cold War to an end. Therefore, Reagan had nothing to do with ending the Cold War.

WTF?

I didn't say he has nothing to do with the Cold War. I'm saying that the U.S.S.R. was going down anyway. It would have happened eventually regardless of what Reagan did.

(01-11-2017 02:16 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 01:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 01:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Reagan may have done some policy that helped end the Cold War but we fought the cold war for years before Reagan became president. It was going to happen anyway. Just like you say Obama was just along for the ride so was Reagan.

So, let me get this straight.

We fought the Cold War for years. Reagan made some policy decisions that brought the Cold War to an end. Therefore, Reagan had nothing to do with ending the Cold War.

WTF?

I didn't say he has nothing to do with the Cold War. I'm saying that the U.S.S.R. was going down anyway. It would have happened eventually regardless of what Reagan did.

Fit's right on this one! Clearly, Carter's midget aircraft carriers proposal was what drove the Soviets to the ledge. All Reagan had to do was blow on them with SID and the 400 Ship Navy to topple them.