http://nationalinterest.org/feature/trum...eats-18971

Russia has a bigger military and a larger nuclear arsenal. However, China beats the pants of the Russians economically. So long as there is peace in the world between the biggest powers, China's economic activities and hacking for technology secrets is a more grave threat to the U.S. than another Cold War with Russia. You may disagree. JMHO.

Chinese hacking has long been a problem, as well as the theft of intellectual property. I don't know why the issue hasn't been pressed harder in the past.

(01-09-2017 11:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Chinese hacking has long been a problem, as well as the theft of intellectual property. I don't know why the issue hasn't been pressed harder in the past.

Because it didn't cost the democrats an election in the past. Didn't this time either, but they will never admit it.

I don't think any sane American feels that China is anything but our enemy.

The Chin we government is not our friend.

(01-09-2017 11:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Chinese hacking has long been a problem, as well as the theft of intellectual property. I don't know why the issue hasn't been pressed harder in the past.

Yep, IMO, it's a primary reason why their economy has taken off in the last decade. No need to industrialize the old fashion way when you can just steal the technology, etc.

(01-09-2017 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Chinese hacking has long been a problem, as well as the theft of intellectual property. I don't know why the issue hasn't been pressed harder in the past.

Because it didn't cost the democrats an election in the past. Didn't this time either, but they will never admit it.

I don't think anyone is saying that it cost them an election. No one would deny however that it did influence the election however.

At least you guys are now admitting that Russia was involved.

Baby steps.

(01-09-2017 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Chinese hacking has long been a problem, as well as the theft of intellectual property. I don't know why the issue hasn't been pressed harder in the past.

Because it didn't cost the democrats an election in the past. Didn't this time either, but they will never admit it.

I don't think anyone is saying that it cost them an election. No one would deny however that it did influence the election however.

At least you guys are now admitting that Russia was involved.

Baby steps.

Again - did Russian phishing of John Podesta or the DNC cause you to not vote for Hillary? yes or no?

(01-09-2017 12:47 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Chinese hacking has long been a problem, as well as the theft of intellectual property. I don't know why the issue hasn't been pressed harder in the past.

Because it didn't cost the democrats an election in the past. Didn't this time either, but they will never admit it.

I don't think anyone is saying that it cost them an election. No one would deny however that it did influence the election however.

At least you guys are now admitting that Russia was involved.

Baby steps.

Again - did Russian phishing of John Podesta or the DNC cause you to not vote for Hillary? yes or no?

I already answered this question. Now will you answer mine?

(01-09-2017 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Chinese hacking has long been a problem, as well as the theft of intellectual property. I don't know why the issue hasn't been pressed harder in the past.

Because it didn't cost the democrats an election in the past. Didn't this time either, but they will never admit it.

I don't think anyone is saying that it cost them an election. No one would deny however that it did influence the election however.

At least you guys are now admitting that Russia was involved.

Baby steps.

lol, Russia has been "hacking" the US for decades not like it's anything new. Dems lost an election and they need something to blame it on so this particular occurrence is better than any I guess.

(01-09-2017 01:08 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Chinese hacking has long been a problem, as well as the theft of intellectual property. I don't know why the issue hasn't been pressed harder in the past.

Because it didn't cost the democrats an election in the past. Didn't this time either, but they will never admit it.

I don't think anyone is saying that it cost them an election. No one would deny however that it did influence the election however.

At least you guys are now admitting that Russia was involved.

Baby steps.

lol, Russia has been "hacking" the US for decades not like it's anything new. Dems lost an election and they need something to blame it on so this particular occurrence is better than any I guess.

No one is saying that the Russian hacks caused the Democrats to lose the election but please continue to further that false narrative in order to avoid talking about the real issue.

(01-09-2017 01:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:08 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Chinese hacking has long been a problem, as well as the theft of intellectual property. I don't know why the issue hasn't been pressed harder in the past.

Because it didn't cost the democrats an election in the past. Didn't this time either, but they will never admit it.

I don't think anyone is saying that it cost them an election. No one would deny however that it did influence the election however.

At least you guys are now admitting that Russia was involved.

Baby steps.

lol, Russia has been "hacking" the US for decades not like it's anything new. Dems lost an election and they need something to blame it on so this particular occurrence is better than any I guess.

No one is saying that the Russian hacks caused the Democrats to lose the election but please continue to further that false narrative in order to avoid talking about the real issue.

The real issue, of course, is that the Democrats managed to decisively lose to the worst candidate the Republican party has ever put up. However, Democrats don't want to talk about that.

(01-09-2017 01:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:08 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Because it didn't cost the democrats an election in the past. Didn't this time either, but they will never admit it.

I don't think anyone is saying that it cost them an election. No one would deny however that it did influence the election however.

At least you guys are now admitting that Russia was involved.

Baby steps.

lol, Russia has been "hacking" the US for decades not like it's anything new. Dems lost an election and they need something to blame it on so this particular occurrence is better than any I guess.

No one is saying that the Russian hacks caused the Democrats to lose the election but please continue to further that false narrative in order to avoid talking about the real issue.

The real issue, of course, is that the Democrats managed to decisively lose to the worst candidate the Republican party has ever put up. However, Democrats don't want to talk about that.

Hillary sucked. There isn't much to talk about.

(01-09-2017 01:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:08 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Chinese hacking has long been a problem, as well as the theft of intellectual property. I don't know why the issue hasn't been pressed harder in the past.

Because it didn't cost the democrats an election in the past. Didn't this time either, but they will never admit it.

I don't think anyone is saying that it cost them an election. No one would deny however that it did influence the election however.

At least you guys are now admitting that Russia was involved.

Baby steps.

lol, Russia has been "hacking" the US for decades not like it's anything new. Dems lost an election and they need something to blame it on so this particular occurrence is better than any I guess.

No one is saying that the Russian hacks caused the Democrats to lose the election but please continue to further that false narrative in order to avoid talking about the real issue.

OK. If you agree that this is the case, then can you tell me why Russian hacking is so different than the Chinese hacking that we've had documented proof over years with no action at all from the U.S.? Why is the Russian hacking such a huge deal to the gov't when the Chinese hacking has not resulted in a tangible response?

(01-09-2017 01:21 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:08 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Because it didn't cost the democrats an election in the past. Didn't this time either, but they will never admit it.

I don't think anyone is saying that it cost them an election. No one would deny however that it did influence the election however.

At least you guys are now admitting that Russia was involved.

Baby steps.

lol, Russia has been "hacking" the US for decades not like it's anything new. Dems lost an election and they need something to blame it on so this particular occurrence is better than any I guess.

No one is saying that the Russian hacks caused the Democrats to lose the election but please continue to further that false narrative in order to avoid talking about the real issue.

OK. If you agree that this is the case, then can you tell me why Russian hacking is so different than the Chinese hacking that we've had documented proof over years with no action at all from the U.S.? Why is the Russian hacking such a huge deal to the gov't when the Chinese hacking has not resulted in a tangible response?

Because this hacking was intended to undermine our democracy. Chinese hacking is a problem with private businesses.

Clearly the foundation on which our government was created is more important than China stealing the blueprints on how to make a cheap Iphone copy.

(01-09-2017 01:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:21 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:08 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't think anyone is saying that it cost them an election. No one would deny however that it did influence the election however.

At least you guys are now admitting that Russia was involved.

Baby steps.

lol, Russia has been "hacking" the US for decades not like it's anything new. Dems lost an election and they need something to blame it on so this particular occurrence is better than any I guess.

No one is saying that the Russian hacks caused the Democrats to lose the election but please continue to further that false narrative in order to avoid talking about the real issue.

OK. If you agree that this is the case, then can you tell me why Russian hacking is so different than the Chinese hacking that we've had documented proof over years with no action at all from the U.S.? Why is the Russian hacking such a huge deal to the gov't when the Chinese hacking has not resulted in a tangible response?

Because this hacking was intended to undermine our democracy. Chinese hacking is a problem with private businesses.

Clearly the foundation on which our government was created is more important than China stealing the blueprints on how to make a cheap Iphone copy.

If the Russians did not interfere with our elections, then how did it interfere with our democracy? Because Chinese hacking has VERY TANGIBLE effects on the U.S. economy. BTW, our democracy (Republic) is crippled and can go up in smoke if our economy is undermined. Money is the grease that allows gov't to function.

(01-09-2017 01:35 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:21 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:08 PM)VA49er Wrote:  lol, Russia has been "hacking" the US for decades not like it's anything new. Dems lost an election and they need something to blame it on so this particular occurrence is better than any I guess.

No one is saying that the Russian hacks caused the Democrats to lose the election but please continue to further that false narrative in order to avoid talking about the real issue.

OK. If you agree that this is the case, then can you tell me why Russian hacking is so different than the Chinese hacking that we've had documented proof over years with no action at all from the U.S.? Why is the Russian hacking such a huge deal to the gov't when the Chinese hacking has not resulted in a tangible response?

Because this hacking was intended to undermine our democracy. Chinese hacking is a problem with private businesses.

Clearly the foundation on which our government was created is more important than China stealing the blueprints on how to make a cheap Iphone copy.

If the Russians did not interfere with our elections, then how did it interfere with our democracy? Because Chinese hacking has VERY TANGIBLE effects on the U.S. economy. BTW, our democracy (Republic) is crippled and can go up in smoke if our economy is undermined. Money is the grease that allows gov't to function.

The Russians did not interfere with our elections? What gave you that idea?

(01-09-2017 01:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:08 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 11:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Chinese hacking has long been a problem, as well as the theft of intellectual property. I don't know why the issue hasn't been pressed harder in the past.

Because it didn't cost the democrats an election in the past. Didn't this time either, but they will never admit it.

I don't think anyone is saying that it cost them an election. No one would deny however that it did influence the election however.

At least you guys are now admitting that Russia was involved.

Baby steps.

lol, Russia has been "hacking" the US for decades not like it's anything new. Dems lost an election and they need something to blame it on so this particular occurrence is better than any I guess.

No one is saying that the Russian hacks caused the Democrats to lose the election but please continue to further that false narrative in order to avoid talking about the real issue.

Please good sir, please tell me what the REAL issue is.

(01-09-2017 01:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:35 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:21 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  No one is saying that the Russian hacks caused the Democrats to lose the election but please continue to further that false narrative in order to avoid talking about the real issue.

OK. If you agree that this is the case, then can you tell me why Russian hacking is so different than the Chinese hacking that we've had documented proof over years with no action at all from the U.S.? Why is the Russian hacking such a huge deal to the gov't when the Chinese hacking has not resulted in a tangible response?

Because this hacking was intended to undermine our democracy. Chinese hacking is a problem with private businesses.

Clearly the foundation on which our government was created is more important than China stealing the blueprints on how to make a cheap Iphone copy.

If the Russians did not interfere with our elections, then how did it interfere with our democracy? Because Chinese hacking has VERY TANGIBLE effects on the U.S. economy. BTW, our democracy (Republic) is crippled and can go up in smoke if our economy is undermined. Money is the grease that allows gov't to function.

The Russians did not interfere with our elections? What gave you that idea?

All politics:
http://townhall.com/columnists/robertcha...n-n2268354

So, what should Americans note?  Hard proof is still missing.  The otherwise agitating New York Times admits this public report just combines old news with weak inferences: “The absence of any proof is especially surprising in light of promises … from the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), James R. Clapper Jr., that he would ‘push the envelope’ to try to make more information public.”  Nada. 
Moreover, the National Security Agency (NSA), the obvious “go-to” on any foreign intrusion of an American email server, states it has less confidence in the public report’s conclusions than does CIA.  That is curious.  It almost seems a negative proof.  If NSA cannot be “highly confident,” what right do others have to evince such high confidence?....

So, what is going on here, with release of this thin, political, accusatory report?  Russia seems to be up to no good, as they seldom are.  Okay, we can accept that.  But why all the hype?  Could this be a political jab by Obama loyalists?  Have these two intelligence voices ever blurred facts in the past?  Ever been overtly political, disingenuous with Congress and the American People?  Interesting you should ask … 
Director Clapper, when confronted in 2013, testified first that information was not being collected on millions of Americans, then reversed himself to say he had given the “least untruthful” answer.  Congress was, for good reason, furious.  Democrat Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR), accused him of not giving a “straight answer.”  Twenty-six US Senators filed a formal complaint against Clapper.  Seven US Senators sought a Justice Department investigation of Clapper.  Clapper contradicted his own contradiction, calling it a “mistake.” Obama kept him.  Interesting, indeed. .... 

Meantime, Brennan – appointed to head CIA in 2013 – was President Obama’s deputy national security advisor.  Former analyst, Brennan also has political allegiances.  Ironically, the American Civil Liberties Union called for an investigation into whether “all of his conduct was within the law.”  During his tenure, CIA hacked US Senate computers, triggering bipartisan outrage.  Doesn’t that sound like the pot calling the kettle black?  Now the out-going political appointee blames Russia for the defeated Administration’s election loss.  Hmmm.

(01-09-2017 01:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:35 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:21 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  No one is saying that the Russian hacks caused the Democrats to lose the election but please continue to further that false narrative in order to avoid talking about the real issue.

OK. If you agree that this is the case, then can you tell me why Russian hacking is so different than the Chinese hacking that we've had documented proof over years with no action at all from the U.S.? Why is the Russian hacking such a huge deal to the gov't when the Chinese hacking has not resulted in a tangible response?

Because this hacking was intended to undermine our democracy. Chinese hacking is a problem with private businesses.

Clearly the foundation on which our government was created is more important than China stealing the blueprints on how to make a cheap Iphone copy.

If the Russians did not interfere with our elections, then how did it interfere with our democracy? Because Chinese hacking has VERY TANGIBLE effects on the U.S. economy. BTW, our democracy (Republic) is crippled and can go up in smoke if our economy is undermined. Money is the grease that allows gov't to function.

The Russians did not interfere with our elections? What gave you that idea?

Did they hack into voting machines? Did they concoct crises to prevent voting? The only thing they did was to expose the truth of what the Dems were saying about people AND showing the unethical cooperation between the DNC and the news media. If anything, I'd say the exposure of the emails actually leveled the playing field considering it is now on record that the media and DNC did conspire to weaken the RNC and Trump.

Also, we know that the U.S. routinely meddles in the affairs of virtually every country on the planet. To say that another country wouldn't do it to us is asinine.