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Add MVC's Missouri State and Wichita State (w/ upstart football).
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(01-09-2017 03:13 PM)BlazintheATL Wrote:  
(01-09-2017 01:51 PM)asuwon Wrote:  
(01-09-2017 11:35 AM)AceEagle Wrote:  NONE....

STICK WITH 10... DROP THE 2 BBALL SCHOOLS

I'm on board with this guy's plan.


Why would you guys be for this? The two basketball only schools are the two BEST basketball schools in the conference and offer the best chance to get more than 1 bid.

I'm not good with tossing LR and UTA. Little Rock and UTA pull their weight. And they provide good travel partners.
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(01-09-2017 11:22 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  I really don't get the love affair some App fans have for JMU. They ain't leaving the CAA. Ever. Too much basketball $$$$. Nor should they. They are right where they need to be, and have stated many times they do not wish to be a part of the Sun Belt.

Please, guys. Stop with the JMU hard-on. It's embarrassing. Move on.

Even I've moved on.

Their administration isn't moving. They'd rather be in FCS where they have a budget 2 times the average of FCS playoff teams. Kind of like the kid on the middle school basketball team that is bigger than everyone else because he's been held back 2 years.

And lets face facts. We no longer need them. There's no longer any chance that we'd consider that other school in Virginia. A raid on our teams is, for a change, remote in the medium term. App has their travel partner.

Maybe if something changes....but not at this point.

Congrats to them on their FCS title. Congrats to us on our success this year.
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(01-10-2017 02:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Even I've moved on.

Their administration isn't moving. They'd rather be in FCS where they have a budget 2 times the average of FCS playoff teams. Kind of like the kid on the middle school basketball team that is bigger than everyone else because he's been held back 2 years.

And lets face facts. We no longer need them. There's no longer any chance that we'd consider that other school in Virginia. A raid on our teams is, for a change, remote in the medium term. App has their travel partner.

Maybe if something changes....but not at this point.

Congrats to them on their FCS title. Congrats to us on our success this year.

You really don't know what you're talking about. JMU may be egotistical when it comes to their opinion of themselves academically, but I can assure you they would not rather be in FCS. A good friend is a former JMU athletic council member and is highly connected with the JMU administration. He has told me repeatedly they would prefer to be FBS, but only in a conference that makes geographical sense. JMU has some of the highest student fees in the country. The athletic department is almost entirely funded by them. Not only is all of their debt financed with them, but every scholarship is as well and they fully scholarship every sport they offer. They cannot increase student fees and a jump to the Sunbelt would increase their travel costs tremendously. They would jump at the chance to join the MAC and also aggressively pursue membership in realigned CUSA / Sunbelt with a eastern division of App, Charlotte, Marshall, ODU, WKU & MTSU. He also tells me Delaware's new administration is seriously considering FBS, again if the circumstances are right. My warning to him is with the CFP payout favoring 10 team conferences there might not be any more FBS slots.
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(01-10-2017 09:12 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 02:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Even I've moved on.

Their administration isn't moving. They'd rather be in FCS where they have a budget 2 times the average of FCS playoff teams. Kind of like the kid on the middle school basketball team that is bigger than everyone else because he's been held back 2 years.

And lets face facts. We no longer need them. There's no longer any chance that we'd consider that other school in Virginia. A raid on our teams is, for a change, remote in the medium term. App has their travel partner.

Maybe if something changes....but not at this point.

Congrats to them on their FCS title. Congrats to us on our success this year.

You really don't know what you're talking about. JMU may be egotistical when it comes to their opinion of themselves academically, but I can assure you they would not rather be in FCS. A good friend is a former JMU athletic council member and is highly connected with the JMU administration. He has told me repeatedly they would prefer to be FBS, but only in a conference that makes geographical sense. JMU has some of the highest student fees in the country. The athletic department is almost entirely funded by them. Not only is all of their debt financed with them, but every scholarship is as well and they fully scholarship every sport they offer. They cannot increase student fees and a jump to the Sunbelt would increase their travel costs tremendously. They would jump at the chance to join the MAC and also aggressively pursue membership in realigned CUSA / Sunbelt with a eastern division of App, Charlotte, Marshall, ODU, WKU & MTSU. He also tells me Delaware's new administration is seriously considering FBS, again if the circumstances are right. My warning to him is with the CFP payout favoring 10 team conferences there might not be any more FBS slots.

This post is 100% accurate. JMU can't/won't join a more expensive far flung league w/o revenue to offset that move. Our student fees ARE high, but actually make up under 60% of our budget when you take in to account Virginia's stringent reporting guidelines.

If/When there is a reshuffling of east coast G5 conferences, JMU would want in. I'm NOT saying they would be invited, rather I'm merely stating that JMU would want to be included.
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(01-10-2017 01:41 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  Add MVC's Missouri State and Wichita State (w/ upstart football).
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All I know is that would be one monster baseball conference.
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I think we are good for now with our upcoming 10/12 alignment. If and that's a big if we were to add any more football my wish would be for UTA to add the sport, Little Rock (only because they are not going to add football) move to a basketball conference and then add NMSU back as a full member.

All sport Divisions would be:
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(01-10-2017 09:12 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 02:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Even I've moved on.

Their administration isn't moving. They'd rather be in FCS where they have a budget 2 times the average of FCS playoff teams. Kind of like the kid on the middle school basketball team that is bigger than everyone else because he's been held back 2 years.

And lets face facts. We no longer need them. There's no longer any chance that we'd consider that other school in Virginia. A raid on our teams is, for a change, remote in the medium term. App has their travel partner.

Maybe if something changes....but not at this point.

Congrats to them on their FCS title. Congrats to us on our success this year.

You really don't know what you're talking about. JMU may be egotistical when it comes to their opinion of themselves academically, but I can assure you they would not rather be in FCS. A good friend is a former JMU athletic council member and is highly connected with the JMU administration. He has told me repeatedly they would prefer to be FBS, but only in a conference that makes geographical sense. JMU has some of the highest student fees in the country. The athletic department is almost entirely funded by them. Not only is all of their debt financed with them, but every scholarship is as well and they fully scholarship every sport they offer. They cannot increase student fees and a jump to the Sunbelt would increase their travel costs tremendously. They would jump at the chance to join the MAC and also aggressively pursue membership in realigned CUSA / Sunbelt with a eastern division of App, Charlotte, Marshall, ODU, WKU & MTSU. He also tells me Delaware's new administration is seriously considering FBS, again if the circumstances are right. My warning to him is with the CFP payout favoring 10 team conferences there might not be any more FBS slots.


what? where would you get such a thing as that?

we generate 3 million in Duke Club donations every year that go to fund those scholarships.

the biggest reason for the huge student fees is the debt on the stadium expansion and adding costs of the band, which at JMU is HUGE. Other schools outside VA can hide those costs in other departments. We can't due to VA law.

the amount of misinformation that gets spread about JMU is 10 times more than any other school on here for some reason.

but when JMU people correct these errors, no one wants to believe us.

you want to know where we stand on the Sun Belt now? Our problem before was basically Idaho and NM State. it made the overall league too far flung for our tastes. And it not just football/basketball. it would force us to become affiliated members of other leagues that the SB does not sponsor that are important parts of our athletic dept like lacrosse and field hockey, of which we have a national championship in (beating UNC). WE didn't want to have our athletic programs in 3 or 4 different leagues. Most fans could probably care less about that, but I can kind of see why from an athletic administrative standpoint, that is an issue.

But with CCU on board and the opportunity to add us and one other eastern school (EKU or Delaware), you'd get a different answer. But the SB has decided it wants to stay at 10. Which is perfectly ok for you guys to do so and makes sense for you with the decline of tv revenue and the deregulation of conference title games.

If CUSA and/or the MAC asked us, we'd accept tomorrow. It isn't an anti-FBS crusade. We'd go if the situation is right. That mantra has been consistently communicated publicly and non-publicly.
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10 is the optimal number in a G5 conference based upon the current revenue structure.

I'd pursue regionalization of conferences before adding.

Stay at 10 focus on building programs for the ten that made the right choices during realignment.
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(01-10-2017 10:48 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 09:12 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 02:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Even I've moved on.

Their administration isn't moving. They'd rather be in FCS where they have a budget 2 times the average of FCS playoff teams. Kind of like the kid on the middle school basketball team that is bigger than everyone else because he's been held back 2 years.

And lets face facts. We no longer need them. There's no longer any chance that we'd consider that other school in Virginia. A raid on our teams is, for a change, remote in the medium term. App has their travel partner.

Maybe if something changes....but not at this point.

Congrats to them on their FCS title. Congrats to us on our success this year.

You really don't know what you're talking about. JMU may be egotistical when it comes to their opinion of themselves academically, but I can assure you they would not rather be in FCS. A good friend is a former JMU athletic council member and is highly connected with the JMU administration. He has told me repeatedly they would prefer to be FBS, but only in a conference that makes geographical sense. JMU has some of the highest student fees in the country. The athletic department is almost entirely funded by them. Not only is all of their debt financed with them, but every scholarship is as well and they fully scholarship every sport they offer. They cannot increase student fees and a jump to the Sunbelt would increase their travel costs tremendously. They would jump at the chance to join the MAC and also aggressively pursue membership in realigned CUSA / Sunbelt with a eastern division of App, Charlotte, Marshall, ODU, WKU & MTSU. He also tells me Delaware's new administration is seriously considering FBS, again if the circumstances are right. My warning to him is with the CFP payout favoring 10 team conferences there might not be any more FBS slots.


what? where would you get such a thing as that?

we generate 3 million in Duke Club donations every year that go to fund those scholarships.

the biggest reason for the huge student fees is the debt on the stadium expansion and adding costs of the band, which at JMU is HUGE. Other schools outside VA can hide those costs in other departments. We can't due to VA law.

the amount of misinformation that gets spread about JMU is 10 times more than any other school on here for some reason.

but when JMU people correct these errors, no one wants to believe us.

you want to know where we stand on the Sun Belt now? Our problem before was basically Idaho and NM State. it made the overall league too far flung for our tastes. And it not just football/basketball. it would force us to become affiliated members of other leagues that the SB does not sponsor that are important parts of our athletic dept like lacrosse and field hockey, of which we have a national championship in (beating UNC). WE didn't want to have our athletic programs in 3 or 4 different leagues. Most fans could probably care less about that, but I can kind of see why from an athletic administrative standpoint, that is an issue.

But with CCU on board and the opportunity to add us and one other eastern school (EKU or Delaware), you'd get a different answer. But the SB has decided it wants to stay at 10. Which is perfectly ok for you guys to do so and makes sense for you with the decline of tv revenue and the deregulation of conference title games.

If CUSA and/or the MAC asked us, we'd accept tomorrow. It isn't an anti-FBS crusade. We'd go if the situation is right. That mantra has been consistently communicated publicly and non-publicly.
Oh really? According to the JMU Duke Club website you raised $2.1 million in 2015. The site states Duke Club funds are used to "support" scholarships. Thats a big difference from funding scholarships. It goes on to state a portion of the funds are used for team operating budgets, building enhancements and the cost of attendance for men's & women's basketball. Clearly a large portion of those dollars goes to other things. Just for the sake of argument let's go with the $3 million figure. Considering JMU's scholarship needs exceed $8 million and a large portion of that $3 million is being used in other areas, that means you've got nearly a $6 million gap to make up somewhere. Whether you want to admit it or not its crystal clear a huge portion of JMU athletic scholarships are being covered by student fees.

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I sometimes posture about kicking Little Rock out just because they are our rivals, but the reality is a 10/12 alignment is very sensible. Outside of the trip from hell to CCU/App back to back, most trips are sensible and easy for Sun Belt Schools to make without issue.
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(01-10-2017 01:18 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 10:48 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 09:12 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 02:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Even I've moved on.

Their administration isn't moving. They'd rather be in FCS where they have a budget 2 times the average of FCS playoff teams. Kind of like the kid on the middle school basketball team that is bigger than everyone else because he's been held back 2 years.

And lets face facts. We no longer need them. There's no longer any chance that we'd consider that other school in Virginia. A raid on our teams is, for a change, remote in the medium term. App has their travel partner.

Maybe if something changes....but not at this point.

Congrats to them on their FCS title. Congrats to us on our success this year.

You really don't know what you're talking about. JMU may be egotistical when it comes to their opinion of themselves academically, but I can assure you they would not rather be in FCS. A good friend is a former JMU athletic council member and is highly connected with the JMU administration. He has told me repeatedly they would prefer to be FBS, but only in a conference that makes geographical sense. JMU has some of the highest student fees in the country. The athletic department is almost entirely funded by them. Not only is all of their debt financed with them, but every scholarship is as well and they fully scholarship every sport they offer. They cannot increase student fees and a jump to the Sunbelt would increase their travel costs tremendously. They would jump at the chance to join the MAC and also aggressively pursue membership in realigned CUSA / Sunbelt with a eastern division of App, Charlotte, Marshall, ODU, WKU & MTSU. He also tells me Delaware's new administration is seriously considering FBS, again if the circumstances are right. My warning to him is with the CFP payout favoring 10 team conferences there might not be any more FBS slots.


what? where would you get such a thing as that?

we generate 3 million in Duke Club donations every year that go to fund those scholarships.

the biggest reason for the huge student fees is the debt on the stadium expansion and adding costs of the band, which at JMU is HUGE. Other schools outside VA can hide those costs in other departments. We can't due to VA law.

the amount of misinformation that gets spread about JMU is 10 times more than any other school on here for some reason.

but when JMU people correct these errors, no one wants to believe us.

you want to know where we stand on the Sun Belt now? Our problem before was basically Idaho and NM State. it made the overall league too far flung for our tastes. And it not just football/basketball. it would force us to become affiliated members of other leagues that the SB does not sponsor that are important parts of our athletic dept like lacrosse and field hockey, of which we have a national championship in (beating UNC). WE didn't want to have our athletic programs in 3 or 4 different leagues. Most fans could probably care less about that, but I can kind of see why from an athletic administrative standpoint, that is an issue.

But with CCU on board and the opportunity to add us and one other eastern school (EKU or Delaware), you'd get a different answer. But the SB has decided it wants to stay at 10. Which is perfectly ok for you guys to do so and makes sense for you with the decline of tv revenue and the deregulation of conference title games.

If CUSA and/or the MAC asked us, we'd accept tomorrow. It isn't an anti-FBS crusade. We'd go if the situation is right. That mantra has been consistently communicated publicly and non-publicly.
Oh really? According to the JMU Duke Club website you raised $2.1 million in 2015. The site states Duke Club funds are used to "support" scholarships. Thats a big difference from funding scholarships. It goes on to state a portion of the funds are used for team operating budgets, building enhancements and the cost of attendance for men's & women's basketball. Clearly a large portion of those dollars goes to other things. Just for the sake of argument let's go with the $3 million figure. Considering JMU's scholarship needs exceed $8 million and a large portion of that $3 million is being used in other areas, that means you've got nearly a $6 million gap to make up somewhere. Whether you want to admit it or not its crystal clear a huge portion of JMU athletic scholarships are being covered by student fees.

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sorry, my bad. i forgot what school you were from.

App State and ODU fans always know more about what goes on at JMU than those of us who actually went there and know and talk regularly with the people within the school.

thanks for enlightening me once again!
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(01-10-2017 02:00 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 01:18 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 10:48 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 09:12 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 02:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Even I've moved on.

Their administration isn't moving. They'd rather be in FCS where they have a budget 2 times the average of FCS playoff teams. Kind of like the kid on the middle school basketball team that is bigger than everyone else because he's been held back 2 years.

And lets face facts. We no longer need them. There's no longer any chance that we'd consider that other school in Virginia. A raid on our teams is, for a change, remote in the medium term. App has their travel partner.

Maybe if something changes....but not at this point.

Congrats to them on their FCS title. Congrats to us on our success this year.

You really don't know what you're talking about. JMU may be egotistical when it comes to their opinion of themselves academically, but I can assure you they would not rather be in FCS. A good friend is a former JMU athletic council member and is highly connected with the JMU administration. He has told me repeatedly they would prefer to be FBS, but only in a conference that makes geographical sense. JMU has some of the highest student fees in the country. The athletic department is almost entirely funded by them. Not only is all of their debt financed with them, but every scholarship is as well and they fully scholarship every sport they offer. They cannot increase student fees and a jump to the Sunbelt would increase their travel costs tremendously. They would jump at the chance to join the MAC and also aggressively pursue membership in realigned CUSA / Sunbelt with a eastern division of App, Charlotte, Marshall, ODU, WKU & MTSU. He also tells me Delaware's new administration is seriously considering FBS, again if the circumstances are right. My warning to him is with the CFP payout favoring 10 team conferences there might not be any more FBS slots.


what? where would you get such a thing as that?

we generate 3 million in Duke Club donations every year that go to fund those scholarships.

the biggest reason for the huge student fees is the debt on the stadium expansion and adding costs of the band, which at JMU is HUGE. Other schools outside VA can hide those costs in other departments. We can't due to VA law.

the amount of misinformation that gets spread about JMU is 10 times more than any other school on here for some reason.

but when JMU people correct these errors, no one wants to believe us.

you want to know where we stand on the Sun Belt now? Our problem before was basically Idaho and NM State. it made the overall league too far flung for our tastes. And it not just football/basketball. it would force us to become affiliated members of other leagues that the SB does not sponsor that are important parts of our athletic dept like lacrosse and field hockey, of which we have a national championship in (beating UNC). WE didn't want to have our athletic programs in 3 or 4 different leagues. Most fans could probably care less about that, but I can kind of see why from an athletic administrative standpoint, that is an issue.

But with CCU on board and the opportunity to add us and one other eastern school (EKU or Delaware), you'd get a different answer. But the SB has decided it wants to stay at 10. Which is perfectly ok for you guys to do so and makes sense for you with the decline of tv revenue and the deregulation of conference title games.

If CUSA and/or the MAC asked us, we'd accept tomorrow. It isn't an anti-FBS crusade. We'd go if the situation is right. That mantra has been consistently communicated publicly and non-publicly.
Oh really? According to the JMU Duke Club website you raised $2.1 million in 2015. The site states Duke Club funds are used to "support" scholarships. Thats a big difference from funding scholarships. It goes on to state a portion of the funds are used for team operating budgets, building enhancements and the cost of attendance for men's & women's basketball. Clearly a large portion of those dollars goes to other things. Just for the sake of argument let's go with the $3 million figure. Considering JMU's scholarship needs exceed $8 million and a large portion of that $3 million is being used in other areas, that means you've got nearly a $6 million gap to make up somewhere. Whether you want to admit it or not its crystal clear a huge portion of JMU athletic scholarships are being covered by student fees.

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sorry, my bad. i forgot what school you were from.

App State and ODU fans always know more about what goes on at JMU than those of us who actually went there and know and talk regularly with the people within the school.

thanks for enlightening me once again!

Pretty short sited to say NMSU/Idaho were the reason not to move up considering you would have had at worst 1 football game at either of those schools a year. Take those two schools out of the mix and travel in the Sun Belt is no worse than CUSA which you say JMU would have joined. I think it has more to do with your Admin's view of the Sun Belt several years ago than anything. Oh well, now Coastal has the spot and it might be a long time before anyone else has an opening. Good win over YSU.
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(01-10-2017 02:00 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 01:18 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 10:48 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 09:12 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 02:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Even I've moved on.

Their administration isn't moving. They'd rather be in FCS where they have a budget 2 times the average of FCS playoff teams. Kind of like the kid on the middle school basketball team that is bigger than everyone else because he's been held back 2 years.

And lets face facts. We no longer need them. There's no longer any chance that we'd consider that other school in Virginia. A raid on our teams is, for a change, remote in the medium term. App has their travel partner.

Maybe if something changes....but not at this point.

Congrats to them on their FCS title. Congrats to us on our success this year.

You really don't know what you're talking about. JMU may be egotistical when it comes to their opinion of themselves academically, but I can assure you they would not rather be in FCS. A good friend is a former JMU athletic council member and is highly connected with the JMU administration. He has told me repeatedly they would prefer to be FBS, but only in a conference that makes geographical sense. JMU has some of the highest student fees in the country. The athletic department is almost entirely funded by them. Not only is all of their debt financed with them, but every scholarship is as well and they fully scholarship every sport they offer. They cannot increase student fees and a jump to the Sunbelt would increase their travel costs tremendously. They would jump at the chance to join the MAC and also aggressively pursue membership in realigned CUSA / Sunbelt with a eastern division of App, Charlotte, Marshall, ODU, WKU & MTSU. He also tells me Delaware's new administration is seriously considering FBS, again if the circumstances are right. My warning to him is with the CFP payout favoring 10 team conferences there might not be any more FBS slots.


what? where would you get such a thing as that?

we generate 3 million in Duke Club donations every year that go to fund those scholarships.

the biggest reason for the huge student fees is the debt on the stadium expansion and adding costs of the band, which at JMU is HUGE. Other schools outside VA can hide those costs in other departments. We can't due to VA law.

the amount of misinformation that gets spread about JMU is 10 times more than any other school on here for some reason.

but when JMU people correct these errors, no one wants to believe us.

you want to know where we stand on the Sun Belt now? Our problem before was basically Idaho and NM State. it made the overall league too far flung for our tastes. And it not just football/basketball. it would force us to become affiliated members of other leagues that the SB does not sponsor that are important parts of our athletic dept like lacrosse and field hockey, of which we have a national championship in (beating UNC). WE didn't want to have our athletic programs in 3 or 4 different leagues. Most fans could probably care less about that, but I can kind of see why from an athletic administrative standpoint, that is an issue.

But with CCU on board and the opportunity to add us and one other eastern school (EKU or Delaware), you'd get a different answer. But the SB has decided it wants to stay at 10. Which is perfectly ok for you guys to do so and makes sense for you with the decline of tv revenue and the deregulation of conference title games.

If CUSA and/or the MAC asked us, we'd accept tomorrow. It isn't an anti-FBS crusade. We'd go if the situation is right. That mantra has been consistently communicated publicly and non-publicly.
Oh really? According to the JMU Duke Club website you raised $2.1 million in 2015. The site states Duke Club funds are used to "support" scholarships. Thats a big difference from funding scholarships. It goes on to state a portion of the funds are used for team operating budgets, building enhancements and the cost of attendance for men's & women's basketball. Clearly a large portion of those dollars goes to other things. Just for the sake of argument let's go with the $3 million figure. Considering JMU's scholarship needs exceed $8 million and a large portion of that $3 million is being used in other areas, that means you've got nearly a $6 million gap to make up somewhere. Whether you want to admit it or not its crystal clear a huge portion of JMU athletic scholarships are being covered by student fees.

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sorry, my bad. i forgot what school you were from.

App State and ODU fans always know more about what goes on at JMU than those of us who actually went there and know and talk regularly with the people within the school.

thanks for enlightening me once again!
That's right, don't respond to the facts presented to you. You obviously know far more about it than the people responsible for the content on the JMU Duke Club website. Perhaps you should call up Bryan Allen and straighten him out. Better yet give Charles King a call and tell him the school has it all wrong.

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(01-10-2017 10:48 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  you want to know where we stand on the Sun Belt now? Our problem before was basically Idaho and NM State. it made the overall league too far flung for our tastes. And it not just football/basketball. it would force us to become affiliated members of other leagues that the SB does not sponsor that are important parts of our athletic dept like lacrosse and field hockey, of which we have a national championship in (beating UNC). WE didn't want to have our athletic programs in 3 or 4 different leagues. Most fans could probably care less about that, but I can kind of see why from an athletic administrative standpoint, that is an issue.

If what kept your university from coming to the Sun Belt was Idaho and NMSU, then your administrators are quite possibly the dumbest in the land. Neither school had anything other than football, so the argument about basketball is moot. Further, AT MOST, there was one flight that would be longer each year for the football team only to go to NMSU or Idaho. The cost was minimal to say the least. Perhaps AT MOST another $100/player. If your school was scared to make a jump over less than 10k/year, then you are not ready for FBS.

I recognize the other factors, and think they have merit, but if you're trying to say Idaho & NMSU was the tipping point, then yeah... check the meds on your administration.

(01-10-2017 10:48 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  But with CCU on board and the opportunity to add us and one other eastern school (EKU or Delaware), you'd get a different answer.

You are high if you think that the west would allow two more eastern schools to be added. IF (and that's a big if, on account it's been rumored you burned plenty of bridges playing coy the last two times) you were added, it would be either in conjunction with a western team or to replace a departed eastern team.
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(01-08-2017 08:12 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  James Madison and Sam Houston St

Two best FCS programs in the footprint

Based on what possible criteria is Sam Houston State a top program?

Their facilities (football for sure) is crap.
Their attendance is crap.
Their budget is crap.
Their donor base is crap.

The answer to this question is: add no one. If forced, you add Rice (good baseball, storied program, in large market that bridges gaps between universities and brings a TREMENDOUS recruiting location for all schools), and USM.

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If UTEP goes to back to the MWC then this west division of Sun Belt would be pretty freaking awesome...

NMSU
TX State
UTSA
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Mo-State
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(01-10-2017 05:53 PM)Shox Wrote:  If UTEP goes to back to the MWC then this west division of Sun Belt would be pretty freaking awesome...

NMSU
TX State
UTSA
stAte
Mo-State
UL

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