(01-08-2017 11:44 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 11:36 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  They want a single payer system like Britain's

Of course they do - because that one works so well. I find it mind boggling that these people believe the "benevolent government" has their best interests at heart and will take care of them.

Much like the same Americans who clamor for socialized government need to talk to immigrants who lives in Eastern Europe when they were socialists these folks need to talk to former British citizens who now live here about the differences in the two systems and which one is better. I have and it's one of the biggest reasons I oppose anything like the British medical system.

(01-07-2017 07:45 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 01:28 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Killary Clinton is what caused Obamacare to be repealed. So many Obama supporters either went to Trump, Sanders, Stein and Johnson was because Killary was a failure from the let go. He needs to stop blaming Sanders and blame the DNC and Killary for the defeat.

Killary was part of it, but let's be honest here - Obamacare is a sh!tbag law that has turned out to be, not the savings that he promised, but a huge sucking sound in a majority of the country's bank account.

It never addressed the supply side of health care and anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of economics knows that if demand is increased without increasing supply, the costs go up. It's really pretty simple.

Besides, that crappy law was never really about fixing healthcare, from the get go it was almost solely about increasing the power of the federal government. Given how badly almost any federal program is managed, is it any wonder that this is the massive failure it is??

Look, I'm not really opposed to subsidizing those with pre-existing conditions or the poor that can't afford the price tag, but let's separate out those folks from the 80%+ of people that can be in the normal insurance risk pools. Put the 15% or so into the Medicaid population instead of dragging everyone one else into a high cost money pit.

It is actually called Romney Care first since it was implemented in Massachusetts first. Obama got Romney's advisors of his bill and implement it Nationally. It is the same idea that Newt Gingrich planned for this country. Obama choose it was to get Republicans on board to implement it. Why it failed was because some states like Texas refused to implement it. Without those states involved, raised the cost up for many people. If all the states used it? We may be saying something else.

(01-08-2017 06:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 07:45 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 01:28 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Killary Clinton is what caused Obamacare to be repealed. So many Obama supporters either went to Trump, Sanders, Stein and Johnson was because Killary was a failure from the let go. He needs to stop blaming Sanders and blame the DNC and Killary for the defeat.

Killary was part of it, but let's be honest here - Obamacare is a sh!tbag law that has turned out to be, not the savings that he promised, but a huge sucking sound in a majority of the country's bank account.
It never addressed the supply side of health care and anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of economics knows that if demand is increased without increasing supply, the costs go up. It's really pretty simple.
Besides, that crappy law was never really about fixing healthcare, from the get go it was almost solely about increasing the power of the federal government. Given how badly almost any federal program is managed, is it any wonder that this is the massive failure it is??
Look, I'm not really opposed to subsidizing those with pre-existing conditions or the poor that can't afford the price tag, but let's separate out those folks from the 80%+ of people that can be in the normal insurance risk pools. Put the 15% or so into the Medicaid population instead of dragging everyone one else into a high cost money pit.

It is actually called Romney Care first since it was implemented in Massachusetts first. Obama got Romney's advisors of his bill and implement it Nationally. It is the same idea that Newt Gingrich planned for this country. Obama choose it was to get Republicans on board to implement it. Why it failed was because some states like Texas refused to implement it. Without those states involved, raised the cost up for many people. If all the states used it? We may be saying something else.

No, no, no.

Obama is going to go out swinging blaming everything under the sun except himself for the blunder which is the ACA.