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Kennesaw St U is not a HBCU.
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(01-05-2017 04:34 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  But it's not in Atlanta and outside of a very small group of African American's not many people follow them. I get you are trying to butter them up but it's just not a good idea....

If anything Liberty is by far the best choice.

Lol that Tom South Alabama fan is about to get so triggered.

KSU is a public university not a Historical Black College or University. I am sure a few African Americans follow them though.
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Kennesaw St is showing promise but I don't think they are ready for the jump and unless someone leaves or the Sunbelt decides to dump UTA and UALR there isn't room for them.
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Even without baseball (huge sport in The Belt) UT: Chattanooga is waaaaay more likely to make it into The Sun Belt before KSU.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-05-2017 08:39 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(01-05-2017 07:50 AM)Chappy Wrote:  What makes them a better choice than a school like Liberty or Jacksonville State that can put 20K in the seats?

KSU is just north of Atlanta which is inside the current Sun Belt footprint which makes the travel arrangements for non Football conference teams easier and cheaper.

KSU vs Ga State games would put 40,000 in the seats every year.

I would expect similar attendance for games against Ga Southern.

The USA, Troy have a lot of alumni in Atlanta metro. Not sure about Coastal Carolina alumni numbers in Atlanta.

KSU has about 37,000 students while Liberty has 15,000 students on campus.

KSU is the better social fit for the SBC.

JSU's problem is that there are already two SBC schools in Alabama and is in a rural location like Liberty.

Atlanta > Lynchburg > Jacksonville, Alabama
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(01-05-2017 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Kennesaw State I am seeing signs that they could do better at the FBS better than Georgia State. Georgia State was a bad add for Sun Belt Conference. Both Kennesaw State and Mercer are winning in football. Sun Belt needs to add winning teams.

Jacksonville State
Kennesaw State
North Alabama
Chattanooga
Eastern Kentucky
Sam Houston State
McNeese State
Central Arkansas

SBC and Southland could do a trade.
SBC could get Central Arkansas while Southland gets Little Rock.
SBC could get Sam Houston State while Southland gets UTA back.

SBC West:
Texas State
Sam Houston State
Central Arkansas
Arkansas State
La.-Lafayette
La.-Monroe

SBC East:
Coastal Carolina
South Alabama
Troy
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

Future candidates:
West:
UTRGV
Missouri State
McNeese State
Central Oklahoma
Lamar
SFA
Wichita State
Midwestern State
West Texas A&M
New Mexico State

East:
Jacksonville State
Jackson State
North Alabama
Chattanooga
Tennessee State
East Tennessee State
Eastern Kentucky
Western Carolina
Liberty
James Madison
Kennesaw State
Mercer
West Florida
Florida Gulf coast
North Florida
Florida A&M
LOL. He says the same day we closed on a MLB Ballpark...also coid have sworn we already played in a bowl... carry on.

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(01-05-2017 03:20 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Kennesaw State is in the greater Atlanta Metro area. In the rich northwestern suburbs. 37k students. Natural rivals to Appy State, Georgia State, and Georgia Southern.. Beautiful campus, success in all sports, on campus football stadium. Kennesaw State has huge, huge upside.
Natural rivals? A lot of people who don't live in Georgia on this thread. LOL

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(01-05-2017 04:34 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(01-05-2017 08:39 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(01-05-2017 07:50 AM)Chappy Wrote:  What makes them a better choice than a school like Liberty or Jacksonville State that can put 20K in the seats?

KSU is just north of Atlanta which is inside the current Sun Belt footprint which makes the travel arrangements for non Football conference teams easier and cheaper.

KSU vs Ga State games would put 40,000 in the seats every year.

I would expect similar attendance for games against Ga Southern.

The USA, Troy have a lot of alumni in Atlanta metro. Not sure about Coastal Carolina alumni numbers in Atlanta.

KSU has about 37,000 students while Liberty has 15,000 students on campus.

KSU is the better social fit for the SBC.

JSU's problem is that there are already two SBC schools in Alabama and is in a rural location like Liberty.

Atlanta > Lynchburg > Jacksonville, Alabama

But it's not in Atlanta and outside of a very small group of African American's not many people follow them. I get you are trying to butter them up but it's just not a good idea....

If anything Liberty is by far the best choice.

Lol that Tom South Alabama fan is about to get so triggered.
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(01-05-2017 07:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Kennesaw St is showing promise but I don't think they are ready for the jump and unless someone leaves or the Sunbelt decides to dump UTA and UALR there isn't room for them.
Support wise they are where GSU was mid 80s. They don't have a mature alumni base. Most of their games had 1/3 to 1^2 empty seats in a 8300 seat stadium.

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Yeh, KSU isn't a natural rival of GSU at all, really. GSU is the commuter school of ATL. KSU is the commuter of ATL's burbs. No offense to either, kinda.


But for real. GSU is a bigger and much better school. They'll get where they need to be. KSU might not
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(01-05-2017 01:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Says the guy whose school has a great football program, but a poor market. 03-thumbsup

That's sort of the point Mpls. The power of the SBC right now. The Schools that you would contact if you were really interested to join and try to get them on your side are located in Jonesboro, AR, Boone, NC, Statesboro, GA, Troy, AL, and Lafayette, LA.

None of those are exactly booming metropolises

There are maybe a few teams in FCS who could probably call the SBC right now and would even get token support to join. UT Chatanooga and Missouri State probably top those lists, maybe JMU if they begged. Wichita State maybe but only if they brought their Olympic Sports. Any FCS schools based in Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, North Carolina. or named Liberty are all blocked in all likelihood.
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(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(01-05-2017 01:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Says the guy whose school has a great football program, but a poor market. 03-thumbsup

That's sort of the point Mpls. The power of the SBC right now. The Schools that you would contact if you were really interested to join and try to get them on your side are located in Jonesboro, AR, Boone, NC, Statesboro, GA, Troy, AL, and Lafayette, LA.

None of those are exactly booming metropolises

There are maybe a few teams in FCS who could probably call the SBC right now and would even get token support to join. UT Chatanooga and Missouri State probably top those lists, maybe JMU if they begged. Wichita State maybe but only if they brought their Olympic Sports. Any FCS schools based in Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, North Carolina. or named Liberty are all blocked in all likelihood.


Little Rock businessmen would love to have more games on Saturdays, but they are having troubles getting University of Little Rock to add the football as a sport. SBC could do an exchange with Southland by sending Little Rock over, and adding Central Arkansas who could play some home games at War Memorial Stadium.

It is a question about how long will Texas State stay in SBC since they are like out on an island by themselves. They were much closer to New Mexico State than most of the SBC.
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(01-06-2017 06:42 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(01-05-2017 01:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Says the guy whose school has a great football program, but a poor market. 03-thumbsup

That's sort of the point Mpls. The power of the SBC right now. The Schools that you would contact if you were really interested to join and try to get them on your side are located in Jonesboro, AR, Boone, NC, Statesboro, GA, Troy, AL, and Lafayette, LA.

None of those are exactly booming metropolises

There are maybe a few teams in FCS who could probably call the SBC right now and would even get token support to join. UT Chatanooga and Missouri State probably top those lists, maybe JMU if they begged. Wichita State maybe but only if they brought their Olympic Sports. Any FCS schools based in Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, North Carolina. or named Liberty are all blocked in all likelihood.


Little Rock businessmen would love to have more games on Saturdays, but they are having troubles getting University of Little Rock to add the football as a sport. SBC could do an exchange with Southland by sending Little Rock over, and adding Central Arkansas who could play some home games at War Memorial Stadium.

It is a question about how long will Texas State stay in SBC since they are like out on an island by themselves. They were much closer to New Mexico State than most of the SBC.

Texas St is not really on an island except for football (kind of). Sun Belt has UTA in Dallas which is a full member (non-football) and Texas St is about as close to ULL as Ark St is to ULM so I would describe them as being the Western edge of the conference rather than on an island.
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(01-05-2017 10:07 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-05-2017 03:20 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Kennesaw State is in the greater Atlanta Metro area. In the rich northwestern suburbs. 37k students. Natural rivals to Appy State, Georgia State, and Georgia Southern.. Beautiful campus, success in all sports, on campus football stadium. Kennesaw State has huge, huge upside.
Natural rivals? A lot of people who don't live in Georgia on this thread. LOL

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(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The Schools that you would contact if you were really interested to join and try to get them on your side are located in Jonesboro, AR, Boone, NC, Statesboro, GA, Troy, AL, and Lafayette, LA.

You're just listing the recent most successful football programs in the SB. But just because those schools are the hottest football programs, doesn't mean they have more than one vote each. And doesn't mean they have power to sway other votes, either.

I could see Coastal saying "We're just so grateful to be here, that we'll vote however App and Southern want us to vote, since they got us in the door". But none of the other SB schools necessarily will have any desire to please Ark St, Lafayette, or Troy, let alone the newbies App and Southern.


(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  There are maybe a few teams in FCS who could probably call the SBC right now and would even get token support to join.

The Sun Belt doesn't really need to expand right now, so it can afford to sit back and be very picky ... unless a school like JMU changed its mind. But don't see that.


(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  UT Chattanooga and Missouri State probably top those lists

Missouri St seems like a natural fit. With Creighton and soon to be Wichita St leaving the MVC, I could definitely see them doing the calculus that the MVC really won't be that much stronger than the Sun Belt in men's basketball.

So if they desire the FBS one day, and if the Sun Belt would take them now ... I'd highly encourage MSU to explore that possibility.


(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Wichita State maybe but only if they brought their Olympic Sports.

That's correct, but there's zero chance of that. WSU is likely going to the AAC as a non-football member.


(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Any FCS schools based in Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, North Carolina. or named Liberty are all blocked in all likelihood.

On one hand you'd perhaps like to think that Troy would vote for Jax St, an old rival, to be included. But on the other hand, you can see where the rest of the league would have little interest in another Alabama School.

UTC would be an interesting option. I'd throw out EKU as well, but probably only if the Sun Belt suddenly needed/wanted another school and that was the only one reasonably ready to go in short order.
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Remember when Kennesaw St announced football, their President said the Big East was the eventual goal. Obviously that has changed, but FBS seems inevitable down the road. FCS in urban or suburban arenas doesn't work well and Kennesaw's leadership knows that.
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(01-06-2017 10:18 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Remember when Kennesaw St announced football, their President said the Big East was the eventual goal. Obviously that has changed, but FBS seems inevitable down the road. FCS in urban or suburban arenas doesn't work well and Kennesaw's leadership knows that.

FBS may be KSU's long term goal after all it's good to set your goals high. But the time frame we are talking about here is decades away for many reasons. My school's goal may be to become a tier 1 research university but that is years away as well. FBS is full for the time being and that's just the way it is.
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(01-06-2017 10:28 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:18 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Remember when Kennesaw St announced football, their President said the Big East was the eventual goal. Obviously that has changed, but FBS seems inevitable down the road. FCS in urban or suburban arenas doesn't work well and Kennesaw's leadership knows that.

FBS may be KSU's long term goal after all it's good to set your goals high. But the time frame we are talking about here is decades away for many reasons. My school's goal may be to become a tier 1 research university but that is years away as well. FBS is full for the time being and that's just the way it is.

There is nothing wrong about aspirational goals. It won't happen tomorrow.

FBS is not full. The P5 is full until it allows more in.
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(01-06-2017 10:31 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:28 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:18 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Remember when Kennesaw St announced football, their President said the Big East was the eventual goal. Obviously that has changed, but FBS seems inevitable down the road. FCS in urban or suburban arenas doesn't work well and Kennesaw's leadership knows that.

FBS may be KSU's long term goal after all it's good to set your goals high. But the time frame we are talking about here is decades away for many reasons. My school's goal may be to become a tier 1 research university but that is years away as well. FBS is full for the time being and that's just the way it is.

There is nothing wrong about aspirational goals. It won't happen tomorrow.

FBS is not full. The P5 is full until it allows more in.

FBS is full for now. When the Big 12 decided to do nothing that closed the door on G5 to P5 movement which is the only thing that will drive FBS expansion save the NCAA creating a way for FCS teams to transition as independents. Basically unless the Big 12 or Sun Belt does an about face on membership FBS is full FOR NOW.
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(01-06-2017 10:40 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:31 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:28 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:18 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Remember when Kennesaw St announced football, their President said the Big East was the eventual goal. Obviously that has changed, but FBS seems inevitable down the road. FCS in urban or suburban arenas doesn't work well and Kennesaw's leadership knows that.

FBS may be KSU's long term goal after all it's good to set your goals high. But the time frame we are talking about here is decades away for many reasons. My school's goal may be to become a tier 1 research university but that is years away as well. FBS is full for the time being and that's just the way it is.

There is nothing wrong about aspirational goals. It won't happen tomorrow.

FBS is not full. The P5 is full until it allows more in.

FBS is full for now. When the Big 12 decided to do nothing that closed the door on G5 to P5 movement which is the only thing that will drive FBS expansion save the NCAA creating a way for FCS teams to transition as independents. Basically unless the Big 12 or Sun Belt does an about face on membership FBS is full FOR NOW.
That may not be entirely accurate. Something like the AAC going after a few MW schools could shake things up, especially in the Western US. There are some odd situations like Hawaii, NMSU, Big Sky/MW, etc that could cause change without the Big 12 or Sun Belt doing anything. I personally think a G-5 playoff could make a conference like the Big Sky consider making the jump or have a group of members make the jump.
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