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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-12-2017 12:09 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-07-2017 01:19 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lamar is in the Beaumont TV market, and it is larger than any of the other schools in the SBC as is.

Missouri State does have theirs.

Conway for Central Arkansas shares the Little Rock tv market. When the Razorbacks or AState had no news on certain days, and Central Arkansas does? Central Arkansas gets news spotlight in the first part of the sports segment. UCA also have a tv show for their coaches for football and basketball as well.

Chattanooga would be big.

North Alabama and Alabama State are both in larger populated areas.

West Florida is in a tv market in Florida.

West Florida is in USA's TV market (Pensacola and Mobile share a media market). USA will block and Troy will help. Arkansas State recruits that area already (and already has a team in that area). I have three 'hell no' votes even if UWF was an established FCS (nope), had facilities for FBS and D1 (nope), a strong budget (nope), or good Oly sports (nope).

Alabama State has awesome facilities, but they're 45 minutes from Troy, they have money issues, and most importantly.....they appear to be happy in the SWAC

North Alabama isn't even FCS yet. They also aren't D1 yet. The market is kind of a mess with Florence not really having local media either.

Either way, its probably at least 5 years before any of them would enter any discussion and for several of them, Troy and/or USA would have to be somewhere else.

Lamar - Here's the rub...the Eastern schools want to shift the conference east....the Western schools don't want Southland moveups (even good ones like SHSU)....so with the East teams not wanting them, and the West teams not pushing them, plus Lamar's meh qualifications even within FCS... Also, Lamar was in the Belt and left it. And they could have left with a bit more grace (trash talking from Lamar did occur). So long as ULL and stAte are in the conference....No. And probably even then...No.

The Sun Belt Conference ALREADY has a team in Central Arkansas....Little Rock. And that's before the whole Eastern teams don't want them and Western teams don't want Southland teams. No.

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Missouri State, IF they applied...MIGHT be admitted. No guarantees though. I think they'd need a strong bid at this point. And a STRONG Eastern applicant (not EKU) to go along with them. Not sure UTC counts. Not sure there really is anyone out there.

Not just UALR, AState has regular athletic booster events in Little Rock and a pretty significant fan base.

There is always Razorback news. One station in Little Rock has a Hog exclusive sportscast. On the night of the final round of the British Open, the first sports story was about a former Razorback finishing 20th in an LPGA event.

When it comes to the license plates from the state (cost an extra $35) the big seller is Arkansas. AState sells about 13% of what they do. UAPB sells about 57% of what AState sells, UCA sells roughly 29% as many as AState and UALR about 10%.

UCA is still figuring out their niche. They've used curtains to reduce capacity of their gym to about 1800 and it wasn't half full for AState with the Red Wolves bringing about 40% of the crowd.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
There's just no need for The Belt to expand at the moment unless just a gem presents itself. Missouri State would need to invest in their football facilities and overall product. EKU is sitting in a small state with 3 other FBS teams. UTC has the facilities for Football/Basketball but doesn't offer baseball.

And those 3 would take a backseat to an already established FBS team in the conference footprint* (sorry NMSU).

Though it think everyone in conference would accept NMSU if JMU would join the east.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-12-2017 09:52 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  There's just no need for The Belt to expand at the moment unless just a gem presents itself. Missouri State would need to invest in their football facilities and overall product. EKU is sitting in a small state with 3 other FBS teams. UTC has the facilities for Football/Basketball but doesn't offer baseball.

And those 3 would take a backseat to an already established FBS team in the conference footprint* (sorry NMSU).

Though it think everyone in conference would accept NMSU if JMU would join the east.

I would agree. If there were an eastern school that at least 9 schools considered to be an obvious choice, the phone would probably ring in Las Cruces.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
This is exactly why FCS teams should be allowed to become FBS independents without any requirements for scheduling a minimum number of FBS teams. Only that they have to meet the FBS minimum scholarship requirements.

They wouldn't get any of the benefits from being in a FBS conference. They wouldn't get any benefits of the CFP. No money distributions, no bowl ties, no access bowl slot.

So it wouldn't matter an iota if they scheduled 2 FBS schools and 10 FCS schools. If they could get those teams to play them, fine.


Would give a path for some of these schools who might want to give FBS a try, but have no realistic chance of getting a conference invite.


Only rules that would have to change are bowl eligibility criteria: six wins with maximum one against a qualifying FCS team turns into six wins with a maximum one against an FBS independent. (that's right, FCS wins no longer count!)
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-11-2017 11:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Beaumont TX population is 404,872
Troy Alabama 18,033
San Marcos Tx. 60,684
Lafayette, La. 490,488

Beaumont>San Marcos
Statesboro Ga. 71,214
Boone, NC. 52,906
Monroe, La. 49,761
Jonesboro AR. 71,551
Mobile, alabama 194,899
Chattanooga 547,776
Pensacola, Florida 461,227
Springfield MO, 541,991
Jackson, MS. 576,382

If you see, the SBC have mostly schools from the least populated areas. Lamar, Chattanooga, Missouri State, West Florida and Jackson State could help get more tv sets if they look into these schools better.

Jacksonville Alabama 117,186 as the metro. That is larger than Troy.

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That a university resides in a particular metro area with X population is almost completely worthless information.
That a university resides in a particular definition of a "market area" with Y tv households is almost completely worthless information.

G5 games are shown on cable TV, or "worse" (internet distribution mechanisms).

A person has to be particularly motivated to tune into that game, if available to him/her, and/or stay put on that video feed for any length of time.


Very few people in history has said "oh hey, that school is in the same metro area as us ... let's watch them!" or "oh hey, that school is in the same 'market area' as us ... let's watch them!".


Not that it's significantly less arbitrary, but what you might hear is "oh hey, that's the school that Jane's nephew goes to ... hmm, maybe I'll watch this for a bit".
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(01-12-2017 01:40 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  That a university resides in a particular metro area with X population is almost completely worthless information.
That a university resides in a particular definition of a "market area" with Y tv households is almost completely worthless information.

G5 games are shown on cable TV, or "worse" (internet distribution mechanisms).

A person has to be particularly motivated to tune into that game, if available to him/her, and/or stay put on that video feed for any length of time.


Very few people in history has said "oh hey, that school is in the same metro area as us ... let's watch them!" or "oh hey, that school is in the same 'market area' as us ... let's watch them!".


Not that it's significantly less arbitrary, but what you might hear is "oh hey, that's the school that Jane's nephew goes to ... hmm, maybe I'll watch this for a bit".



The way adverts are sold is not always about number of eyes on the screen. It's about "reach". If an advert that's ran centered around a program/schoo/game that's in BFE with BFE target audience it'll be cheaper than an advert that's centered around the same in a major metro area. Even if the viewership ends up being the same, even historically. It's all about potential when buying/selling ads.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
Here is another idea about the Bowl game for the G5 for the NY6. As is, the SBC's SoS makes them unlikely get them into the access bowl. Chattanooga, Jacksonville State, Sam Houston State, McNeese State and Central Arkansas. Even a North Dakota State, Northern Iowa and Liberty could help out. The SBC do not have to send a full invite lets say to Jacksonville State, Sam Houston State or Lamar. It could be just for football only. It would give these schools a shot at FBS, and make the SBC safe when the time they lose schools to expansion. Inviting schools now would help save the SBC in a long run. SBC do not need to look like the Big 12. We already have seen some schools from the SBC looking to go somewhere. Arkansas State (cough).
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(01-12-2017 08:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Here is another idea about the Bowl game for the G5 for the NY6. As is, the SBC's SoS makes them unlikely get them into the access bowl. Chattanooga, Jacksonville State, Sam Houston State, McNeese State and Central Arkansas. Even a North Dakota State, Northern Iowa and Liberty could help out. The SBC do not have to send a full invite lets say to Jacksonville State, Sam Houston State or Lamar. It could be just for football only. It would give these schools a shot at FBS, and make the SBC safe when the time they lose schools to expansion. Inviting schools now would help save the SBC in a long run. SBC do not need to look like the Big 12. We already have seen some schools from the SBC looking to go somewhere. Arkansas State (cough).

Save it from what?
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(01-12-2017 08:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Here is another idea about the Bowl game for the G5 for the NY6. As is, the SBC's SoS makes them unlikely get them into the access bowl. Chattanooga, Jacksonville State, Sam Houston State, McNeese State and Central Arkansas. Even a North Dakota State, Northern Iowa and Liberty could help out. The SBC do not have to send a full invite lets say to Jacksonville State, Sam Houston State or Lamar. It could be just for football only. It would give these schools a shot at FBS, and make the SBC safe when the time they lose schools to expansion. Inviting schools now would help save the SBC in a long run. SBC do not need to look like the Big 12. We already have seen some schools from the SBC looking to go somewhere. Arkansas State (cough).

No offense...I like you....But not just no...But Hell No.

Let me say this very clearly (not just to you, but to everyone)

1)The Sun Belt Conference is not a FCS conference.
2)The Sun Belt Conference is a FBS Conference.
3)We only play FCS teams at home
4)Just lke other FBS teams.
5) Lamar, Jacksonville State, McNeese, and Central Arkansas are not candidates for anything with our membership other than a FCS payday game every once in a decade or so.

We had a team ranked in the Top 25 this year. We finished ahead of the MAC and CUSA this year in the FBS conference payout rankings. Our eighth place team beat (for the second straight year) the MWC champion in a blowout. We beat P5 teams. Our third place team had a second half tie with the national champions (Clemson - not James Madison) and only lost by 6 points.

We had 2 FCS losses in the last 2 years. The B1G had 2 last year alone.

We don't need any help from FCS teams. We are gaining on other FBS conferences. If any of our teams wanted to play those teams....we could drop down to FCS and join the Big South or Southern or Southland. We don't want that.

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I wouldn't be surprised if App or Troy made a run at an access bowl next year.
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Quote:Chattanooga, Jacksonville State, Sam Houston State, McNeese State and Central Arkansas. Even a North Dakota State, Northern Iowa and Liberty could help out

Help out with what? Lowing the SOS?

For **** sake, this is ridiculous.

Even ULM and TXST are better than UNI, LU, UTC, McNeese and so forth.
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(01-12-2017 01:23 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(01-11-2017 11:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Beaumont TX population is 404,872
Troy Alabama 18,033
San Marcos Tx. 60,684
Lafayette, La. 490,488

Beaumont>San Marcos
Statesboro Ga. 71,214
Boone, NC. 52,906
Monroe, La. 49,761
Jonesboro AR. 71,551
Mobile, alabama 194,899
Chattanooga 547,776
Pensacola, Florida 461,227
Springfield MO, 541,991
Jackson, MS. 576,382

If you see, the SBC have mostly schools from the least populated areas. Lamar, Chattanooga, Missouri State, West Florida and Jackson State could help get more tv sets if they look into these schools better.

Jacksonville Alabama 117,186 as the metro. That is larger than Troy.

Study this and then reconider all of your posts after reviewing this link.
http://www.tvnewscheck.com/tv-station-directory/dma

Don't worry, he just ignores it. Facts are don't mean anything to him.
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(01-12-2017 07:35 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  If an advert that's ran centered around a program/school/game that's in BFE with BFE target audience it'll be cheaper than an advert that's centered around the same in a major metro area. Even if the viewership ends up being the same, even historically.

This is incorrect. The price will be based on viewership and the buying power of the likely audience. Last point means that advertising on The Masters is more valuable than advertising for NASCAR, because the audience of the former are usually rich guys.


(01-12-2017 11:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if App or Troy made a run at an access bowl next year.

Thing with the Sun Belt is that usually you don't have a team with very few (or no) losses. MAC made it this year because WMU beat two poor Big Ten teams, so they didn't have an "extra" two losses on their record.
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(01-13-2017 10:36 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  This is incorrect. The price will be based on viewership and the buying power of the likely audience. Last point means that advertising on The Masters is more valuable than advertising for NASCAR, because the audience of the former are usually rich guys.



Man, I've only worked in broadcasting for almost two decades. What do I know.
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Then your clients are fools, if they buy your line that "yeah man, our signal could possibly be tuned in by up to 1M TV households ... though historically only 10k tune it in ..."
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(01-13-2017 10:36 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 07:35 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  If an advert that's ran centered around a program/school/game that's in BFE with BFE target audience it'll be cheaper than an advert that's centered around the same in a major metro area. Even if the viewership ends up being the same, even historically.

This is incorrect. The price will be based on viewership and the buying power of the likely audience. Last point means that advertising on The Masters is more valuable than advertising for NASCAR, because the audience of the former are usually rich guys.


(01-12-2017 11:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if App or Troy made a run at an access bowl next year.

Thing with the Sun Belt is that usually you don't have a team with very few (or no) losses. MAC made it this year because WMU beat two poor Big Ten teams, so they didn't have an "extra" two losses on their record.

App only has one P5 on the road, @Georgia. They get Wake Forest in Boone. And their Belt schedule is pretty easy....No stAte, no Troy, and Georgia Southern at home. If they are as good as this year, 11-1 would be a likely starting point. If they can upset Georgia....12-0, with 2 P5 wins. That, barring someone else in the G5 doing the same.....puts them in the Peach Bowl.

Right now, I'd argue that based upon last season's record and next season's schedule, that App is one of the 3 teams most likely to go to the access bowl.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reach_(advertising)

It's a huge part of how ads are bought.
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(01-13-2017 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  App only has one P5 on the road, @Georgia. They get Wake Forest in Boone. And their Belt schedule is pretty easy....No stAte, no Troy, and Georgia Southern at home. If they are as good as this year, 11-1 would be a likely starting point. If they can upset Georgia....12-0, with 2 P5 wins.

I think they'd need that 12-0 to be taken seriously over a one-loss team from MWC or AAC. But yes, they have a real chance.


(01-13-2017 11:03 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reach_(advertising)

Sure, it's a non-zero component. But I refuse to believe that anyone with brain cells will pay extra just because a signal exists. Otherwise, you'd be able to sell huge ad spaces on a network like TBN.

But, I never said that someone can't come into an ad agency and be sold on something for an inflated price.
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(01-12-2017 11:50 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
Quote:Chattanooga, Jacksonville State, Sam Houston State, McNeese State and Central Arkansas. Even a North Dakota State, Northern Iowa and Liberty could help out

Help out with what? Lowing the SOS?

For **** sake, this is ridiculous.

Even ULM and TXST are better than UNI, LU, UTC, McNeese and so forth.


One:Jacksonville State could beat any schools in the SBC as they are since they have played very well against P5 opponents. Just like Georgia Southern beaten Florida, Jacksonville State beat Ole. Miss. and came close to beaten Auburn.
2.Chattanooga is from the same conference that you guys came from. Old rivals, and could play better. 3.McNeese State had a down year last year. 4.Central Arkansas beat Arkansas State last year, and came close in beaten Oklahoma State a few years ago. Don't let facts hit you in the face.
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(01-13-2017 02:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 11:50 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
Quote:Chattanooga, Jacksonville State, Sam Houston State, McNeese State and Central Arkansas. Even a North Dakota State, Northern Iowa and Liberty could help out

Help out with what? Lowing the SOS?

For **** sake, this is ridiculous.

Even ULM and TXST are better than UNI, LU, UTC, McNeese and so forth.


One:Jacksonville State could beat any schools in the SBC as they are since they have played very well against P5 opponents. Just like Georgia Southern beaten Florida, Jacksonville State beat Ole. Miss. and came close to beaten Auburn.
2.Chattanooga is from the same conference that you guys came from. Old rivals, and could play better. 3.McNeese State had a down year last year. 4.Central Arkansas beat Arkansas State last year, and came close in beaten Oklahoma State a few years ago. Don't let facts hit you in the face.

1. One game means nothing. Can they win in all sports?

2. If no SBC school wants them in the conference, then they should not be in the SBC. Do they add any value to the conference?
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