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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-06-2017 10:47 AM)p23570 Wrote:  
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(01-06-2017 10:18 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Remember when Kennesaw St announced football, their President said the Big East was the eventual goal. Obviously that has changed, but FBS seems inevitable down the road. FCS in urban or suburban arenas doesn't work well and Kennesaw's leadership knows that.

FBS may be KSU's long term goal after all it's good to set your goals high. But the time frame we are talking about here is decades away for many reasons. My school's goal may be to become a tier 1 research university but that is years away as well. FBS is full for the time being and that's just the way it is.

There is nothing wrong about aspirational goals. It won't happen tomorrow.

FBS is not full. The P5 is full until it allows more in.

FBS is full for now. When the Big 12 decided to do nothing that closed the door on G5 to P5 movement which is the only thing that will drive FBS expansion save the NCAA creating a way for FCS teams to transition as independents. Basically unless the Big 12 or Sun Belt does an about face on membership FBS is full FOR NOW.
That may not be entirely accurate. Something like the AAC going after a few MW schools could shake things up, especially in the Western US. There are some odd situations like Hawaii, NMSU, Big Sky/MW, etc that could cause change without the Big 12 or Sun Belt doing anything. I personally think a G-5 playoff could make a conference like the Big Sky consider making the jump or have a group of members make the jump.

I understand what you are saying but what would be the impetus for the AAC to expand beyond 12? The AAC already stretches from Connecticut to Texas and adding MW members would make the conference stretch across 3 to 4 time zones. Maybe if a TV partner said we will give you a huge (nearly P5) level raise if you added team x & y from the MW the American would do it but do you really believe that would happen. Playoff money is capped currently at $10 mil per G5 conference and the AAC already has programs good enough to challenge for the Access Bowl each season so again why add?
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-06-2017 11:02 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
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(01-06-2017 10:28 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  FBS may be KSU's long term goal after all it's good to set your goals high. But the time frame we are talking about here is decades away for many reasons. My school's goal may be to become a tier 1 research university but that is years away as well. FBS is full for the time being and that's just the way it is.

There is nothing wrong about aspirational goals. It won't happen tomorrow.

FBS is not full. The P5 is full until it allows more in.

FBS is full for now. When the Big 12 decided to do nothing that closed the door on G5 to P5 movement which is the only thing that will drive FBS expansion save the NCAA creating a way for FCS teams to transition as independents. Basically unless the Big 12 or Sun Belt does an about face on membership FBS is full FOR NOW.
That may not be entirely accurate. Something like the AAC going after a few MW schools could shake things up, especially in the Western US. There are some odd situations like Hawaii, NMSU, Big Sky/MW, etc that could cause change without the Big 12 or Sun Belt doing anything. I personally think a G-5 playoff could make a conference like the Big Sky consider making the jump or have a group of members make the jump.

I understand what you are saying but what would be the impetus for the AAC to expand beyond 12? The AAC already stretches from Connecticut to Texas and adding MW members would make the conference stretch across 3 to 4 time zones. Maybe if a TV partner said we will give you a huge (nearly P5) level raise if you added team x & y from the MW the American would do it but do you really believe that would happen. Playoff money is capped currently at $10 mil per G5 conference and the AAC already has programs good enough to challenge for the Access Bowl each season so again why add?

Right now they have a very undervalued TV agreement with ESPN. Adding schools might be an opportunity to try and fix that. I also think there are some advantages to adding 4 more and going to pods. I suspect a package of Boise, CSU, Air Force, and New Mexico might be appealing especially with all the armed forces games. By doing that they could effectively kill the MW as a competitor and essentially lock up that access bowl spot most years as a clear cut #6 conference. With new players like Amazon, Google, Twitter, and old players like Fox in play I suspect they could get a nice pay raise as well for their members.

That being said I understand your point and they very well may not add schools as there really is not a huge reason to do so if they are content with waiting out this TV contract.
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Sun Belt Conference is not full. Benson is an idiot like he was with the WAC. Benson helped made the WAC become football-less conference and the continue on not calling up FCS schools to go to 12 or to 14 to be safe would eventually will kill off the SBC.

These are the schools that seemed to be on the list for expansion.

North Florida
West Florida
Jacksonville State
Missouri State
New Mexico State
Lamar
Jackson State
Chattanooga
East Tennessee State
Eastern Kentucky
FGCU
West Florida
Florida A&M
Northern Iowa
James Madison
Delaware
Liberty
Wichita State (including adding football)
Little Rock football
UTA football
Sam Houston State
Texas A&M-Corpus Christie football
Alabama State
North Alabama
Tennessee State
South Carolina-Upstate
Western Carolina (long shot)
Mercer
West Texas A&M might be an option as a package with New Mexico State as a pair.
Youngstown State long shot
Stony Brook
Illinois State
Indiana State
Central Arkansas
Central Oklahoma

There are several good football and basketball schools on that list. Imagine North Alabama and New Mexico State in the same conference? If I remember right? North Alabama was the last D2 school beat an FBS school of New Mexico State. UNA could be an instant success at D2 in the SBC.
I added some D2 schools that could be in the SBC footprint like Central Oklahoma, North Alabama and West Florida.
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(01-06-2017 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Sun Belt Conference is not full. Benson is an idiot like he was with the WAC.



Benson may be an idiot, but not because of this. There is zero support from the Presidents and Chancellors in The Belt to add another program at this time. In fact, they wanted Idaho and NMSU gone. The WAC was torn apart for a few reasons. The Sun Belt isn't going to lose teams to the AAC or the MWC. No Belt team would really move to the CUSA at the moment ($2 million exit and $2 million entry) and the MAC wouldn't want to come this far down either.

The Belt is in a much much better situation than the WAC was, stability wise.
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(01-06-2017 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Sun Belt Conference is not full. Benson is an idiot like he was with the WAC.



Benson may be an idiot, but not because of this. There is zero support from the Presidents and Chancellors in The Belt to add another program at this time. In fact, they wanted Idaho and NMSU gone. The WAC was torn apart for a few reasons. The Sun Belt isn't going to lose teams to the AAC or the MWC. No Belt team would really move to the CUSA at the moment ($2 million exit and $2 million entry) and the MAC wouldn't want to come this far down either.

The Belt is in a much much better situation than the WAC was, stability wise.


WAC 2.0 what we have with the SBC as well. WAc schools turned their nose up at certain schools when they were willing to join the conference like Lamar. You have schools begging to join SBC right now like Liberty, North Alabama, Jacksonville State, Lamar and Alabama State.
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Why go beyond 10 teams for Football and 12 for Oly? There is no more money in doing so. UNA, Alabama State? Don't be ridiculous.

Let's say the Belt gets raided hard. Unlike the WAC there are dozens of teams that would be willing to make the jump if the conference needed it. It doesn't at the moment. No need to over expand and be stuck with under-performing teams.
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(01-06-2017 06:27 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Why go beyond 10 teams for Football and 12 for Oly? There is no more money in doing so. UNA, Alabama State? Don't be ridiculous.

Let's say the Belt gets raided hard. Unlike the WAC there are dozens of teams that would be willing to make the jump if the conference needed it. It doesn't at the moment. No need to over expand and be stuck with under-performing teams.



That is what the WAC schools said. Look where New Mexico State and Idaho wound up? Same thing could happen to the SBC if they do not expand now. You need to be safe than be sorry or several schools will wind up like New Mexico State and Idaho. SBC presidents and ADs are nothing but idiots, and have not looked at what happened to the WAC.
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I still think there's a good chance UTA restarts football in the not too distant future. Not sure that the Razorbacks will ever let Little Rock get a FBS team though. If the Sun Belt did lose a team or two, I think they put pressure on the two non-football schools to start football before they look into new schools.

Depending on which school(s) left could also greatly determine where an expansion candidate would be most likely to come from. Adding another Alabama school while already having two would be foolish now, but if South Alabama or Troy left that could greatly change the chances for Jacksonville Staye for example. Kennesaw State could very well be a good candidate to replace a departing Georgia State, but is a lot less likely with Georgia State still in the conference.
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(01-06-2017 09:44 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
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(01-05-2017 03:20 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Kennesaw State is in the greater Atlanta Metro area. In the rich northwestern suburbs. 37k students. Natural rivals to Appy State, Georgia State, and Georgia Southern.. Beautiful campus, success in all sports, on campus football stadium. Kennesaw State has huge, huge upside.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-06-2017 06:42 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
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(01-05-2017 01:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Says the guy whose school has a great football program, but a poor market. 03-thumbsup

That's sort of the point Mpls. The power of the SBC right now. The Schools that you would contact if you were really interested to join and try to get them on your side are located in Jonesboro, AR, Boone, NC, Statesboro, GA, Troy, AL, and Lafayette, LA.

None of those are exactly booming metropolises

There are maybe a few teams in FCS who could probably call the SBC right now and would even get token support to join. UT Chatanooga and Missouri State probably top those lists, maybe JMU if they begged. Wichita State maybe but only if they brought their Olympic Sports. Any FCS schools based in Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, North Carolina. or named Liberty are all blocked in all likelihood.


Little Rock businessmen would love to have more games on Saturdays, but they are having troubles getting University of Little Rock to add the football as a sport. SBC could do an exchange with Southland by sending Little Rock over, and adding Central Arkansas who could play some home games at War Memorial Stadium.

That love so far doesn't extend to finding the money to make football possible at UALR.

They want AState to play games there and have as yet not put forward anything enticing.

When Mizzou was coming to Jonesboro, St. Louis offered AState $1.5 million to play at Bush Stadium, Kansas City offered $2 million and Little Rock offered to cut the stadium rent to $7500.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-06-2017 05:55 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Sun Belt Conference is not full. Benson is an idiot like he was with the WAC.



Benson may be an idiot, but not because of this. There is zero support from the Presidents and Chancellors in The Belt to add another program at this time. In fact, they wanted Idaho and NMSU gone. The WAC was torn apart for a few reasons. The Sun Belt isn't going to lose teams to the AAC or the MWC. No Belt team would really move to the CUSA at the moment ($2 million exit and $2 million entry) and the MAC wouldn't want to come this far down either.

The Belt is in a much much better situation than the WAC was, stability wise.

WAC didn't fail for mis-management it failed because there were more attractive options that needed members and there were no replacements. Right now we know Jacksonville State, Liberty, New Mexico State and Eastern Kentucky would want to join so absent losing seven members the Sun Belt is in a safe place and can be picky.

The fact that the Sun Belt has said no to all four highlights that security.
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(01-06-2017 10:15 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The Schools that you would contact if you were really interested to join and try to get them on your side are located in Jonesboro, AR, Boone, NC, Statesboro, GA, Troy, AL, and Lafayette, LA.

You're just listing the recent most successful football programs in the SB. But just because those schools are the hottest football programs, doesn't mean they have more than one vote each. And doesn't mean they have power to sway other votes, either.

I could see Coastal saying "We're just so grateful to be here, that we'll vote however App and Southern want us to vote, since they got us in the door". But none of the other SB schools necessarily will have any desire to please Ark St, Lafayette, or Troy, let alone the newbies App and Southern.


(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  There are maybe a few teams in FCS who could probably call the SBC right now and would even get token support to join.

The Sun Belt doesn't really need to expand right now, so it can afford to sit back and be very picky ... unless a school like JMU changed its mind. But don't see that.


(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  UT Chattanooga and Missouri State probably top those lists

Missouri St seems like a natural fit. With Creighton and soon to be Wichita St leaving the MVC, I could definitely see them doing the calculus that the MVC really won't be that much stronger than the Sun Belt in men's basketball.

So if they desire the FBS one day, and if the Sun Belt would take them now ... I'd highly encourage MSU to explore that possibility.


(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Wichita State maybe but only if they brought their Olympic Sports.

That's correct, but there's zero chance of that. WSU is likely going to the AAC as a non-football member.


(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Any FCS schools based in Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, North Carolina. or named Liberty are all blocked in all likelihood.

On one hand you'd perhaps like to think that Troy would vote for Jax St, an old rival, to be included. But on the other hand, you can see where the rest of the league would have little interest in another Alabama School.

UTC would be an interesting option. I'd throw out EKU as well, but probably only if the Sun Belt suddenly needed/wanted another school and that was the only one reasonably ready to go in short order.

There are 12 full members in the Sun Belt. Of the 10 football playing members only two are located within the 100 largest metro areas in the country. The three newest additions are all smaller markets.

The prototypical Sun Belt school is a state school, located in a small television market where local media gives significant to major coverage of the local team. In Jonesboro AState leads the typical sports segment on TV and one FM station carries sports talk from morning to night all locally produced and each show either primarily focused on AState or exclusively focused. In Lafayette local radio carries not just football, men's hoops, women's hoops, and baseball (as is the case in Jonesboro) but also women's softball. In Monroe they split that role with La.Tech but they are still treated as a significant story. In Mobile USA gets healthy local coverage and so on.

The beautiful thing about small markets is so many of the people working TV in them want to move up the food chain. You don't get there by doing lead-ins for segments from your "sister station" in Fayetteville, Baton Rouge and Columbia, you go out and interview the local people, the coaches at the local college.

This creates the environment to potentially carve out your own little local niche athletically.

When there is no emergency, no crisis, presidents contemplating expansion want at least a school that is similar. Located outside the political, population, and economic centers of their states, the leadership at most Sun Belt schools face a lot of common issues. Georgia State, UALR, UTA have more in common with each other than they have in common with AState, Georgia Southern, and Texas State.

As to the idea that ten is the ideal, I think 10 is comfortable. Ten means no urgency. If Monday afternoon Missouri State and UT Chattanooga called the Sun Belt offices in New Orleans expressing a desire to join, I suspect the conference would move fairly quickly once satisfied each had realistic and viable plans to move FBS, the same probably true if JMU rather than UTC called. I believe they could become comfortable with 12 very easily.

Eastern Kentucky was rejected. They are in the Lexington media market, they are harder for local TV to cover than UK, that's a problem. A Vast majority the population with an hour's drive of Richmond is closer to Lexington than Richmond. They will always be a hard sell.

Liberty is private, religious and outside the south, controversial. They too will always be a hard sell.

Jacksonville State would be the sixth FBS in Alabama, they would be the third Sun Belt located in Alabama and they are closer to Georgia State than either of the Sun Belt teams in Alabama. They will also be a hard sell.
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Lamar is in the Beaumont TV market, and it is larger than any of the other schools in the SBC as is.

Missouri State does have theirs.

Conway for Central Arkansas shares the Little Rock tv market. When the Razorbacks or AState had no news on certain days, and Central Arkansas does? Central Arkansas gets news spotlight in the first part of the sports segment. UCA also have a tv show for their coaches for football and basketball as well.

Chattanooga would be big.

North Alabama and Alabama State are both in larger populated areas.

West Florida is in a tv market in Florida.
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(01-07-2017 01:19 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lamar is in the Beaumont TV market, and it is larger than any of the other schools in the SBC as is.

Missouri State does have theirs.

Conway for Central Arkansas shares the Little Rock tv market. When the Razorbacks or AState had no news on certain days, and Central Arkansas does? Central Arkansas gets news spotlight in the first part of the sports segment. UCA also have a tv show for their coaches for football and basketball as well.

Chattanooga would be big.

North Alabama and Alabama State are both in larger populated areas.

West Florida is in a tv market in Florida.

Lamar would be at the bottom as far as size in the Sun Belt. UT Arlington, Texas State, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Louisiana Lafayette, Appalachian State, South Alabama, and Troy are all in bigger markets than Lamar.
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(01-11-2017 12:10 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(01-07-2017 01:19 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lamar is in the Beaumont TV market, and it is larger than any of the other schools in the SBC as is.

Missouri State does have theirs.

Conway for Central Arkansas shares the Little Rock tv market. When the Razorbacks or AState had no news on certain days, and Central Arkansas does? Central Arkansas gets news spotlight in the first part of the sports segment. UCA also have a tv show for their coaches for football and basketball as well.

Chattanooga would be big.

North Alabama and Alabama State are both in larger populated areas.

West Florida is in a tv market in Florida.

Lamar would be at the bottom as far as size in the Sun Belt. UT Arlington, Texas State, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Louisiana Lafayette, Appalachian State, South Alabama, and Troy are all in bigger markets than Lamar.

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(01-07-2017 01:19 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lamar is in the Beaumont TV market, and it is larger than any of the other schools in the SBC as is.

Missouri State does have theirs.

Conway for Central Arkansas shares the Little Rock tv market. When the Razorbacks or AState had no news on certain days, and Central Arkansas does? Central Arkansas gets news spotlight in the first part of the sports segment. UCA also have a tv show for their coaches for football and basketball as well.

Chattanooga would be big.

North Alabama and Alabama State are both in larger populated areas.

West Florida is in a tv market in Florida.

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(01-07-2017 12:16 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:15 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The Schools that you would contact if you were really interested to join and try to get them on your side are located in Jonesboro, AR, Boone, NC, Statesboro, GA, Troy, AL, and Lafayette, LA.

You're just listing the recent most successful football programs in the SB. But just because those schools are the hottest football programs, doesn't mean they have more than one vote each. And doesn't mean they have power to sway other votes, either.

I could see Coastal saying "We're just so grateful to be here, that we'll vote however App and Southern want us to vote, since they got us in the door". But none of the other SB schools necessarily will have any desire to please Ark St, Lafayette, or Troy, let alone the newbies App and Southern.


(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  There are maybe a few teams in FCS who could probably call the SBC right now and would even get token support to join.

The Sun Belt doesn't really need to expand right now, so it can afford to sit back and be very picky ... unless a school like JMU changed its mind. But don't see that.


(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  UT Chattanooga and Missouri State probably top those lists

Missouri St seems like a natural fit. With Creighton and soon to be Wichita St leaving the MVC, I could definitely see them doing the calculus that the MVC really won't be that much stronger than the Sun Belt in men's basketball.

So if they desire the FBS one day, and if the Sun Belt would take them now ... I'd highly encourage MSU to explore that possibility.


(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Wichita State maybe but only if they brought their Olympic Sports.

That's correct, but there's zero chance of that. WSU is likely going to the AAC as a non-football member.


(01-06-2017 03:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Any FCS schools based in Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, North Carolina. or named Liberty are all blocked in all likelihood.

On one hand you'd perhaps like to think that Troy would vote for Jax St, an old rival, to be included. But on the other hand, you can see where the rest of the league would have little interest in another Alabama School.

UTC would be an interesting option. I'd throw out EKU as well, but probably only if the Sun Belt suddenly needed/wanted another school and that was the only one reasonably ready to go in short order.

There are 12 full members in the Sun Belt. Of the 10 football playing members only two are located within the 100 largest metro areas in the country. The three newest additions are all smaller markets.

The prototypical Sun Belt school is a state school, located in a small television market where local media gives significant to major coverage of the local team. In Jonesboro AState leads the typical sports segment on TV and one FM station carries sports talk from morning to night all locally produced and each show either primarily focused on AState or exclusively focused. In Lafayette local radio carries not just football, men's hoops, women's hoops, and baseball (as is the case in Jonesboro) but also women's softball. In Monroe they split that role with La.Tech but they are still treated as a significant story. In Mobile USA gets healthy local coverage and so on.

The beautiful thing about small markets is so many of the people working TV in them want to move up the food chain. You don't get there by doing lead-ins for segments from your "sister station" in Fayetteville, Baton Rouge and Columbia, you go out and interview the local people, the coaches at the local college.

This creates the environment to potentially carve out your own little local niche athletically.

When there is no emergency, no crisis, presidents contemplating expansion want at least a school that is similar. Located outside the political, population, and economic centers of their states, the leadership at most Sun Belt schools face a lot of common issues. Georgia State, UALR, UTA have more in common with each other than they have in common with AState, Georgia Southern, and Texas State.

As to the idea that ten is the ideal, I think 10 is comfortable. Ten means no urgency. If Monday afternoon Missouri State and UT Chattanooga called the Sun Belt offices in New Orleans expressing a desire to join, I suspect the conference would move fairly quickly once satisfied each had realistic and viable plans to move FBS, the same probably true if JMU rather than UTC called. I believe they could become comfortable with 12 very easily.

Eastern Kentucky was rejected. They are in the Lexington media market, they are harder for local TV to cover than UK, that's a problem. A Vast majority the population with an hour's drive of Richmond is closer to Lexington than Richmond. They will always be a hard sell.

Liberty is private, religious and outside the south, controversial. They too will always be a hard sell.

Jacksonville State would be the sixth FBS in Alabama, they would be the third Sun Belt located in Alabama and they are closer to Georgia State than either of the Sun Belt teams in Alabama. They will also be a hard sell.

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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
Beaumont TX population is 404,872
Troy Alabama 18,033
San Marcos Tx. 60,684
Lafayette, La. 490,488

Beaumont>San Marcos
Statesboro Ga. 71,214
Boone, NC. 52,906
Monroe, La. 49,761
Jonesboro AR. 71,551
Mobile, alabama 194,899
Chattanooga 547,776
Pensacola, Florida 461,227
Springfield MO, 541,991
Jackson, MS. 576,382

If you see, the SBC have mostly schools from the least populated areas. Lamar, Chattanooga, Missouri State, West Florida and Jackson State could help get more tv sets if they look into these schools better.

Jacksonville Alabama 117,186 as the metro. That is larger than Troy.
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(01-07-2017 01:19 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lamar is in the Beaumont TV market, and it is larger than any of the other schools in the SBC as is.

Missouri State does have theirs.

Conway for Central Arkansas shares the Little Rock tv market. When the Razorbacks or AState had no news on certain days, and Central Arkansas does? Central Arkansas gets news spotlight in the first part of the sports segment. UCA also have a tv show for their coaches for football and basketball as well.

Chattanooga would be big.

North Alabama and Alabama State are both in larger populated areas.

West Florida is in a tv market in Florida.

West Florida is in USA's TV market (Pensacola and Mobile share a media market). USA will block and Troy will help. Arkansas State recruits that area already (and already has a team in that area). I have three 'hell no' votes even if UWF was an established FCS (nope), had facilities for FBS and D1 (nope), a strong budget (nope), or good Oly sports (nope).

Alabama State has awesome facilities, but they're 45 minutes from Troy, they have money issues, and most importantly.....they appear to be happy in the SWAC

North Alabama isn't even FCS yet. They also aren't D1 yet. The market is kind of a mess with Florence not really having local media either.

Either way, its probably at least 5 years before any of them would enter any discussion and for several of them, Troy and/or USA would have to be somewhere else.

Lamar - Here's the rub...the Eastern schools want to shift the conference east....the Western schools don't want Southland moveups (even good ones like SHSU)....so with the East teams not wanting them, and the West teams not pushing them, plus Lamar's meh qualifications even within FCS... Also, Lamar was in the Belt and left it. And they could have left with a bit more grace (trash talking from Lamar did occur). So long as ULL and stAte are in the conference....No. And probably even then...No.

The Sun Belt Conference ALREADY has a team in Central Arkansas....Little Rock. And that's before the whole Eastern teams don't want them and Western teams don't want Southland teams. No.

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Missouri State, IF they applied...MIGHT be admitted. No guarantees though. I think they'd need a strong bid at this point. And a STRONG Eastern applicant (not EKU) to go along with them. Not sure UTC counts. Not sure there really is anyone out there.
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(01-11-2017 11:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Beaumont TX population is 404,872
Troy Alabama 18,033
San Marcos Tx. 60,684
Lafayette, La. 490,488

Beaumont>San Marcos
Statesboro Ga. 71,214
Boone, NC. 52,906
Monroe, La. 49,761
Jonesboro AR. 71,551
Mobile, alabama 194,899
Chattanooga 547,776
Pensacola, Florida 461,227
Springfield MO, 541,991
Jackson, MS. 576,382

If you see, the SBC have mostly schools from the least populated areas. Lamar, Chattanooga, Missouri State, West Florida and Jackson State could help get more tv sets if they look into these schools better.

Jacksonville Alabama 117,186 as the metro. That is larger than Troy.

Mobile's CMSA is 615,000.
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