(01-04-2017 09:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't see appropriation. Rainbows really weren't a major symbol of anything. Just because some clown who thinks the Earth is 5000 years old says so, doesn't make it his.

So you don't agree with Ms. Ziegler's complaint?

(01-04-2017 02:08 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 12:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Someone forgot that Religion is supposed to be peace and love like the hippies used it in the 1960s.

Sarcasm? or do you relly feel like Hippies had the right to redfine world religions?

They certainly were able to redefine the standards of human hygiene..........and clearly not for the better.

(01-04-2017 03:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Not like anyone else was using it at the time.

Yea who was using that symbol... who indeed...



I'm sorry if a kid dressing as Maui for Halloween gets called "appropriation" then taking a religious symbol of another group is, at least, the same.

(01-04-2017 11:52 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 03:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Not like anyone else was using it at the time.

Yea who was using that symbol... who indeed...



I'm sorry if a kid dressing as Maui for Halloween gets called "appropriation" then taking a religious symbol of another group is, at least, the same.

Just because one reference out of a 500 page book exists, doesn't make it cultural appropriation.....

The only true cultural appropriation complaint could come from the only group that actually used the rainbow as a symbol prior to the LGBT community...and the LGBT flag was developed independently of it outside of even knowing about the Inca Flag, which was developed around the same time. It bears a striking resemblance to the LGBT pride flag.

Either way, its not cultural appropriation. Heck, there are Gay Incas and Gay Christians.

(01-05-2017 01:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 11:52 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 03:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Not like anyone else was using it at the time.

Yea who was using that symbol... who indeed...



I'm sorry if a kid dressing as Maui for Halloween gets called "appropriation" then taking a religious symbol of another group is, at least, the same.

Just because one reference out of a 500 page book exists, doesn't make it cultural appropriation.....

FWIW I agree... IBut the Social justice warriors have really lowered the bar on "appropriation". Hell, Appropriation itself if a pretty stupid concept... One which I was making fun of.

(01-04-2017 09:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 08:21 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  So appropriation is OK, now?

I don't see appropriation. Rainbows really weren't a major symbol of anything. Just because some clown who thinks the Earth is 5000 years old says so, doesn't make it his.

Maybe in his native Australia, rainbows are an exclusive "Christian" symbol. But not here.

Did the Human Rights Campaign appropriate 'math' by using an "equals" sign as a symbol of their organization? No. Just good and effective branding. The rainbow flag is no different.

Tom: Have you and others here actually read the Book of Genesis? There is a whole lot of name calling here based on falsehoods. Most people don't even know that Genesis said the created earth had a firmament, water above and water below or that people and animals were all vegetarian until the flood. The Rainbow has been a symbol of the Lord's Covenant with Noah since at least the time of Moses. According to the Bible, a rainbow didn't and couldn't exist before the flood.

The rainbow flag itself by was appropriated from Wizard of OZ's "Somewhere Over the Rainbow". I guess MGM should sue the originators of the flag for improper appropiation. Seems strange that the GLBT people somehow see Wizard of Oz as Holy Sacrament.

(01-04-2017 03:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 03:15 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 03:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 03:07 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Well technically isn't the use of the rainbow by homosexuals an example of cultural appropriation?

Not like anyone else was using it at the time. We could have used a pink triangle in a white or black background, I suppose.

Ken Ham is a complete nutcase imho.

If he wants to use the rainbow, go for it.

You could have also used a slice of pizza.

Sure, but we used a rainbow. The guy who designed it wanted something recognizable that could be used to show diversity. It also plays into the 'unofficial Gay national anthem' which is, 'somewhere over the rainbow'.

So...Both the rainbow and the song were hijacked? Whats next? Make Skittles the official candy?

(01-04-2017 09:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 08:21 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  So appropriation is OK, now?

I don't see appropriation. Rainbows really weren't a major symbol of anything. Just because some clown who thinks the Earth is 5000 years old says so, doesn't make it his.

Maybe in his native Australia, rainbows are an exclusive "Christian" symbol. But not here.

Did the Human Rights Campaign appropriate 'math' by using an "equals" sign as a symbol of their organization? No. Just good and effective branding. The rainbow flag is no different.

Wrong. They are a part of damn near every youth bible class and are used all over the place in churches. One is depicted in the stained glass in our church.

(01-04-2017 09:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 08:21 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  So appropriation is OK, now?

I don't see appropriation. Rainbows really weren't a major symbol of anything. Just because some clown who thinks the Earth is 5000 years old says so, doesn't make it his.

So the person doing the complaining was wrong to claim that the rainbow symbolized something?

Gays are so queer.

(01-05-2017 06:50 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 09:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 08:21 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  So appropriation is OK, now?

I don't see appropriation. Rainbows really weren't a major symbol of anything. Just because some clown who thinks the Earth is 5000 years old says so, doesn't make it his.

Maybe in his native Australia, rainbows are an exclusive "Christian" symbol. But not here.

Did the Human Rights Campaign appropriate 'math' by using an "equals" sign as a symbol of their organization? No. Just good and effective branding. The rainbow flag is no different.

Wrong. They are a part of damn near every youth bible class and are used all over the place in churches. One is depicted in the stained glass in our church.

Meh, and so are a million other symbols. You guys didn't get upset when about a billion others used the rainbow for just about every thing else.

And cultural appropriation exists when someone takes something that uniquely comes from one culture for another purpose. The rainbow doesn't come from one culture, it comes from nature (most world citizens don't believe that it came from God's interaction with Noah either). Most world citizens don't believe that the rainbow is a Christian symbol. Its not like rap music, which came from a specific culture.

You can't claim something from nature as your own personal property.

If the foreign proponent of the Earth being 5000 years old wishes to use a rainbow flag for his purposes, he's free to do so.

(01-05-2017 10:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And cultural appropriation exists when someone takes something that uniquely comes from one culture for another purpose.

You can't claim something from nature as your own personal property.

So let me ask again, how do you feel about that the lesbian who complained about the ark park appropriating an LGBT symbol, which was the original subject of this thread. Do you think she was out of bounds?

(01-05-2017 05:01 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 09:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 08:21 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  So appropriation is OK, now?

I don't see appropriation. Rainbows really weren't a major symbol of anything. Just because some clown who thinks the Earth is 5000 years old says so, doesn't make it his.

Maybe in his native Australia, rainbows are an exclusive "Christian" symbol. But not here.

Did the Human Rights Campaign appropriate 'math' by using an "equals" sign as a symbol of their organization? No. Just good and effective branding. The rainbow flag is no different.

Tom: Have you and others here actually read the Book of Genesis? There is a whole lot of name calling here based on falsehoods. Most people don't even know that Genesis said the created earth had a firmament, water above and water below or that people and animals were all vegetarian until the flood. The Rainbow has been a symbol of the Lord's Covenant with Noah since at least the time of Moses. According to the Bible, a rainbow didn't and couldn't exist before the flood.

The rainbow flag itself by was appropriated from Wizard of OZ's "Somewhere Over the Rainbow". I guess MGM should sue the originators of the flag for improper appropiation. Seems strange that the GLBT people somehow see Wizard of Oz as Holy Sacrament.

The story is a myth and it's 100% wrong. According to the story though, God made a covenant with man that he would never destroy the earth thru water again thru the use of the rainbow as the reminder of the covenant.

So yes, the rainbow was used in religious stories prior to the LGBT ever utilizing it. The lesbian is ignorant. Ken Ham is also ignorant for trying to pass this myth off as fact.

(01-05-2017 10:35 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 05:01 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 09:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 08:21 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  So appropriation is OK, now?

I don't see appropriation. Rainbows really weren't a major symbol of anything. Just because some clown who thinks the Earth is 5000 years old says so, doesn't make it his.

Maybe in his native Australia, rainbows are an exclusive "Christian" symbol. But not here.

Did the Human Rights Campaign appropriate 'math' by using an "equals" sign as a symbol of their organization? No. Just good and effective branding. The rainbow flag is no different.

Tom: Have you and others here actually read the Book of Genesis? There is a whole lot of name calling here based on falsehoods. Most people don't even know that Genesis said the created earth had a firmament, water above and water below or that people and animals were all vegetarian until the flood. The Rainbow has been a symbol of the Lord's Covenant with Noah since at least the time of Moses. According to the Bible, a rainbow didn't and couldn't exist before the flood.

The rainbow flag itself by was appropriated from Wizard of OZ's "Somewhere Over the Rainbow". I guess MGM should sue the originators of the flag for improper appropiation. Seems strange that the GLBT people somehow see Wizard of Oz as Holy Sacrament.

The story is a myth and it's 100% wrong. According to the story though, God made a covenant with man that he would never destroy the earth thru water again thru the use of the rainbow as the reminder of the covenant.

So yes, the rainbow was used in religious stories prior to the LGBT ever utilizing it. The lesbian is ignorant. Ken Ham is also ignorant for trying to pass this myth off as fact.

But the rainbow was used for other purposes and a majority of the world's population doesn't believe that symbol is owned by Christians. Christians also use hundreds or thousands of other symbols too. Its not exclusively seen as a Christian symbol, like the cross is. They don't own it/they didn't create it...no one does.

Furthermore, the LGBT community did not come up with that symbol to co-opt the Christian symbolism or meaning of the rainbow either. No appropriation.

(01-05-2017 10:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 10:35 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 05:01 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 09:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 08:21 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  So appropriation is OK, now?

I don't see appropriation. Rainbows really weren't a major symbol of anything. Just because some clown who thinks the Earth is 5000 years old says so, doesn't make it his.

Maybe in his native Australia, rainbows are an exclusive "Christian" symbol. But not here.

Did the Human Rights Campaign appropriate 'math' by using an "equals" sign as a symbol of their organization? No. Just good and effective branding. The rainbow flag is no different.

Tom: Have you and others here actually read the Book of Genesis? There is a whole lot of name calling here based on falsehoods. Most people don't even know that Genesis said the created earth had a firmament, water above and water below or that people and animals were all vegetarian until the flood. The Rainbow has been a symbol of the Lord's Covenant with Noah since at least the time of Moses. According to the Bible, a rainbow didn't and couldn't exist before the flood.

The rainbow flag itself by was appropriated from Wizard of OZ's "Somewhere Over the Rainbow". I guess MGM should sue the originators of the flag for improper appropiation. Seems strange that the GLBT people somehow see Wizard of Oz as Holy Sacrament.

The story is a myth and it's 100% wrong. According to the story though, God made a covenant with man that he would never destroy the earth thru water again thru the use of the rainbow as the reminder of the covenant.

So yes, the rainbow was used in religious stories prior to the LGBT ever utilizing it. The lesbian is ignorant. Ken Ham is also ignorant for trying to pass this myth off as fact.

But the rainbow was used for other purposes and a majority of the world's population doesn't believe that symbol is owned by Christians. Christians also use hundreds or thousands of other symbols too. Its not exclusively seen as a Christian symbol, like the cross is. They don't own it/they didn't create it...no one does.

Furthermore, the LGBT community did not come up with that symbol to co-opt the Christian symbolism or meaning of the rainbow either. No appropriation.

Tom, I never said those things. My point was that the lesbian in her letter to the editor was outraged that a Christian group used a rainbow decoration at their park. She's ignorant if for nothing more than failing to understand that the rainbow factors into the Ark story in Genesis. I don't care about the rest of the baggage you are carrying. The lesbian was ignorant and looks like a fool. I think Ken Ham looks like a fool too, but for different reasons.

(01-05-2017 10:52 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 10:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 10:35 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 05:01 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 09:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't see appropriation. Rainbows really weren't a major symbol of anything. Just because some clown who thinks the Earth is 5000 years old says so, doesn't make it his.

Maybe in his native Australia, rainbows are an exclusive "Christian" symbol. But not here.

Did the Human Rights Campaign appropriate 'math' by using an "equals" sign as a symbol of their organization? No. Just good and effective branding. The rainbow flag is no different.

Tom: Have you and others here actually read the Book of Genesis? There is a whole lot of name calling here based on falsehoods. Most people don't even know that Genesis said the created earth had a firmament, water above and water below or that people and animals were all vegetarian until the flood. The Rainbow has been a symbol of the Lord's Covenant with Noah since at least the time of Moses. According to the Bible, a rainbow didn't and couldn't exist before the flood.

The rainbow flag itself by was appropriated from Wizard of OZ's "Somewhere Over the Rainbow". I guess MGM should sue the originators of the flag for improper appropiation. Seems strange that the GLBT people somehow see Wizard of Oz as Holy Sacrament.

The story is a myth and it's 100% wrong. According to the story though, God made a covenant with man that he would never destroy the earth thru water again thru the use of the rainbow as the reminder of the covenant.

So yes, the rainbow was used in religious stories prior to the LGBT ever utilizing it. The lesbian is ignorant. Ken Ham is also ignorant for trying to pass this myth off as fact.

But the rainbow was used for other purposes and a majority of the world's population doesn't believe that symbol is owned by Christians. Christians also use hundreds or thousands of other symbols too. Its not exclusively seen as a Christian symbol, like the cross is. They don't own it/they didn't create it...no one does.

Furthermore, the LGBT community did not come up with that symbol to co-opt the Christian symbolism or meaning of the rainbow either. No appropriation.

Tom, I never said those things. My point was that the lesbian in her letter to the editor was outraged that a Christian group used a rainbow decoration at their park. She's ignorant if for nothing more than failing to understand that the rainbow factors into the Ark story in Genesis. I don't care about the rest of the baggage you are carrying. The lesbian was ignorant and looks like a fool. I think Ken Ham looks like a fool too, but for different reasons.

I was responding to the others trying to claim that the LGBT community is culturally appropriating the rainbow.

I think the Lesbian should just sit down and let Ken Ham make a fool of himself. And confuse the bejeezus out of his followers.

(01-05-2017 10:29 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 10:17 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And cultural appropriation exists when someone takes something that uniquely comes from one culture for another purpose.

You can't claim something from nature as your own personal property.

So let me ask again, how do you feel about that the lesbian who complained about the ark park appropriating an LGBT symbol, which was the original subject of this thread. Do you think she was out of bounds?

And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence

Oh the supposed 3% !!

(01-05-2017 12:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 10:52 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 10:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 10:35 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 05:01 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Tom: Have you and others here actually read the Book of Genesis? There is a whole lot of name calling here based on falsehoods. Most people don't even know that Genesis said the created earth had a firmament, water above and water below or that people and animals were all vegetarian until the flood. The Rainbow has been a symbol of the Lord's Covenant with Noah since at least the time of Moses. According to the Bible, a rainbow didn't and couldn't exist before the flood.

The rainbow flag itself by was appropriated from Wizard of OZ's "Somewhere Over the Rainbow". I guess MGM should sue the originators of the flag for improper appropiation. Seems strange that the GLBT people somehow see Wizard of Oz as Holy Sacrament.

The story is a myth and it's 100% wrong. According to the story though, God made a covenant with man that he would never destroy the earth thru water again thru the use of the rainbow as the reminder of the covenant.

So yes, the rainbow was used in religious stories prior to the LGBT ever utilizing it. The lesbian is ignorant. Ken Ham is also ignorant for trying to pass this myth off as fact.

But the rainbow was used for other purposes and a majority of the world's population doesn't believe that symbol is owned by Christians. Christians also use hundreds or thousands of other symbols too. Its not exclusively seen as a Christian symbol, like the cross is. They don't own it/they didn't create it...no one does.

Furthermore, the LGBT community did not come up with that symbol to co-opt the Christian symbolism or meaning of the rainbow either. No appropriation.

Tom, I never said those things. My point was that the lesbian in her letter to the editor was outraged that a Christian group used a rainbow decoration at their park. She's ignorant if for nothing more than failing to understand that the rainbow factors into the Ark story in Genesis. I don't care about the rest of the baggage you are carrying. The lesbian was ignorant and looks like a fool. I think Ken Ham looks like a fool too, but for different reasons.

I was responding to the others trying to claim that the LGBT community is culturally appropriating the rainbow.

I think the Lesbian should just sit down and let Ken Ham make a fool of himself. And confuse the bejeezus out of his followers.

The concept of cultural appropriation is absurd. That was the point of those comments, but the satire seemed to go over your head.

Should Southerners sue the KKK for culturally appropriating the flag of the brave veterans of the Army of Northern Virginia?