No doubt you guys realize that Steinbrecher and other MAC ADs are probably totally on board with this. As bad an idea as this is, I can't see Frazier going rogue on something of this magnitude.

(12-29-2016 10:48 AM)uakronkid Wrote:  Yep, let's just put ourselves in a ghetto.

Better yet, let's kid ourselves we aren't already there yet. The G5 is literally the only group of college football teams that are not eligible for a playoff berth in any division of college football. We just had a team go undefeated and not only not have a shot at a championship but had to hold our breath to see if the P5 would throw us a bone and allow us to play in a real bowl game. Here's a news flash. Even if they had expanded the playoff to 8 teams, Western Michigan isn't getting in. So by all means let's kid ourselves and say that we aren't going to drop down to the ghetto.

Quote:the P5 will scream bloody hell if they had to include a 2 loss G5 team in the playoff over a Penn State, Oklahoma or Michigan.

I agree. Boise & Houston the past two years were around #18-20 going in.

They'd have a hissy fit giving an Automatic bid to Top G5. I know as a proposal, people are saying it... but when thoroughly getting into it -- I strongly believe it'd be an Optional Bid for Top G5 like it was several years ago when there were 10 BCS bowl teams... the top G5 is conditional.

My guess is that they'd have it one of two ways like yesteryear, which actually gives a little More leeway to G5 than the older BCS-rulez (since there'd be only 8 teams, not 10):
- To be ranked #12 or better to get in
- To be ranked #16 or better *AND* be ranked at the level or better of one of the P5 Conf Champs

If this was a 12-team Playoff -- yep, there would be an Auto-bid like there is now in the 12-team BCS/NY bowls. But with 8 teams? That's 3 at-larges, that's it. More 'elite' to get in, just like the 10-team older BCS was.

Here's what it'd be like now:
#1. Alabama [SEC]
#2. Clemson [ACC]
#3. Ohio State
#4. Washington [P12]
#5. Penn State [B1G]
#6. Michigan
#7. Oklahoma [B12]
#8. ???? - #8 Wisconsin / #15 WMU / #9 USC

So here's the rub when you mentally go thru this and how people will feel about the 3 At-Larges:

- Are you REALLY going to allow ALL 3 At-Larges be from the same conference? Highly unlikely. It'd make Half the playoff be of just 1 Conference. It's possible they'd limit 1 at-large per conference, but I think more likely they'd limit it to *2*. So Wisconsin as an entry for the 3rd would be highly unlikely, IMO.

- For that 8th spot (3rd At-Large): I can see a lack of sympathy not allowing Wisconsin in, being a 3rd At-Large from the same conference -- and instead putting #9 USC in. But if #15 WMU got in? Or even worse, a #20 Boise State from 2 years ago? Wisconsin & USC fans would be PISSED. P5-only fans would be mad.

"Make 'em be a Top 10 team, dammit!" is what they'd cry out. I think making them have to be a Top 12 team would pretty much quiet the crowd solidly. Having to be Top 16 team though, wouldn't be enough to "deserve it", as 8 teams is still not even a full Top 10 when being in the Top 16 alone wasn't quite enough back in the day when there were 10 in the BCS.

(12-29-2016 02:50 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  No doubt you guys realize that Steinbrecher and other MAC ADs are probably totally on board with this. As bad an idea as this is, I can't see Frazier going rogue on something of this magnitude.

Hope you are wrong but I wouldn't be surprised.

(12-29-2016 02:50 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  No doubt you guys realize that Steinbrecher and other MAC ADs are probably totally on board with this. As bad an idea as this is, I can't see Frazier going rogue on something of this magnitude.

MAC ADs and commish have single handedly tried to destroy this conference, so I wouldn't doubt that for a second. If the MAC had not been blessed by great players and coaches over the years, this conference would already have gone under. All you have to do is look at the ESPN deal. MAC ADs and commish are prostitutes in suits.

(12-29-2016 10:54 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  8-team playoff or nothing. So similar to March Madness, everyone has a shot (no matter how miniscule) of winning the whole enchilada.

- 5 P5 champions
- 1 highest ranked G5 conference champion
- 2 at larges (likely P5)

If season length becomes a concern, then shorten the regular season from 12 games back to 11 games.

The playoff isn't expanding. The P5 will become a P4 then every conference champ is in the playoffs. The g5 gets shutout....even though we are shutout already.
The old BCS system was fairer to us than the committee.

(12-29-2016 10:54 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  8-team playoff or nothing. So similar to March Madness, everyone has a shot (no matter how miniscule) of winning the whole enchilada.

- 5 P5 champions
- 1 highest ranked G5 conference champion
- 2 at larges (likely P5)

If season length becomes a concern, then shorten the regular season from 12 games back to 11 games.

At one point this season, P.J. advocated for an eventual 8-team playoff with one spot reserved for the G5. His proposal: the top two G5 teams facing off in a "play-in" game for the G5 spot in the playoff. IMO this isn't a bad idea if an 8-team playoff ever became a reality. Using this past season as an example, watching conference champions WMU and Temple battle for the right to take on Alabama in the playoff would definitely generate some national interest.

Is this idea fair? No. Fair would be all conference champions being represented in a 12- or 16-team playoff, but a) it's highly unlikely the playoff ever expands that much and b) if it did, there's no way the P5 would allow inclusion of every G5 conference champion. Giving two G5 conference champions a shot to be represented (instead of, currently, one) isn't ideal, but it would be an improvement.

Frazier makes some valid points, but his proposal won't happen. The AAC (and Boise State, if not the entire MWC) will never go along with this, which makes it a nonstarter right away. A G5 playoff including just the MAC, Sun Belt, C-USA and perhaps some of the MWC has very little appeal.

As a Bronco fan under the current format, I'll take a once-in-a-lifetime/generation Cotton Bowl appearance, regardless of outcome, over a G5 playoff any day.

Frazier is shaking stuff up but ESPN is behind this I'm sure. Espn owns the MAC for the next decade, with all the anonymous sources this report appears suspect. They are throwing this out there to plant a seed and create conversation imo.

The people that want this should just drop down to FCS. They already have a playoff.

do it!

G5 Champs! G5 Champs!

Oy.........

(12-29-2016 02:04 PM)george14 Wrote:  I'm all for it.

I'm sick of this false hope that we belong with the P5 teams. Yes, we can beat P5 teams just like FCS teams can be G5 teams. But a G5 team will never win a natty, it just won't ever happen. I would rather have a playoff where we can see who is best opposed to holding onto this false hope that once every 5 year a MAC team makes it into a big bowl game. I've always been a proponent of the G5 separating from the P5.

Stienbrecher says he expects the MAC to play in the access bowl every 2, 3, 4 years.

The G5's strategy is to ride the coattails of the P5. They are making 100 million a year from the CFP agreement and have earned the right to have an every year participant in the NY6.

But the system still isn't fair when you've got a committee saying your SOS will never be good enough for a 4 team playoff. The CFP is a system by and for the high resource schools. The same schools that dominate all of Division 1 sports.

If the G5 have their own playoff it would be a fair shot for a SBC, CUSA, MAC, MWC or AAC team to win a national championship. It would be a chance to pull out of the ESPN led bowl season where 6-6 MAC teams are assigned to games when they didn't have a good season.

12 team G5 playoff, 5 conference champs and 7 at-larges. Those schools that don't make the G5 playoff but have 8-4 or 7-5 records they can aim to find a spot in a P5 bowl that has an opening. A good 18-20 G5 schools would find a slot in the post season, down from close to 30 today.

Something to consider in another 8-10 years down the road.

MAC commish (and WMU AD) says no to G5 playoff idea.

http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2...reste.html

I dont agree with Steinbrecher.

He says continued performance will earn respect for the "group". Only an undefeated G5 school can rightfully deserve a NY6 bowl and only a handfull of those have emerged going back 20 years.

Or an automatic bid to the highest rated G5 champion. My point is the ROI will never be there for more than 1 G5 conference champ in a NY6 bowl or playoff spot.

If Fox can walk in with an offer for a second FBS playoff paying 2 or 3 times as much with fair representation rules and OTA windows I think its worth considering.

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(12-30-2016 09:12 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  MAC commish (and WMU AD) says no to G5 playoff idea.

http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2...reste.html

This surprised me, but Frazier is going rogue with this bad idea. With Steinbrecher and other MAC ADs opposed, Frazier needs to drop it.

(12-30-2016 10:22 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(12-30-2016 09:12 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  MAC commish (and WMU AD) says no to G5 playoff idea.

http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2...reste.html

This surprised me, but Frazier is going rogue with this bad idea. With Steinbrecher and other MAC ADs opposed, Frazier needs to drop it.

That makes it even stranger. Not sure what he was thinking.

A 12 team G5 playoff would include almost every 9 win team.

1) Western Michigan 13-0
2) Temple 10-3 AAC Champs
3) WKU 10-3 CUSA Champs
4) SDSU 10-3 MWC Champs
5) South Florida 10-2
6) Troy 9-3 (W App St)
7) App St 9-3 SBC Co-Champs
8) Air Force 9-3 (W Navy)
9) Navy 9-4 AAC Div Champs
10) Toledo 9-3 (W Ark St)
11) Houston 9-3 (W Tulsa)
12) Ark St 7-5 SBC Co-Champs

Then you would have with 8+ wins Tulsa, Ohio, LaTech, ODU, Boise St, New Mexico all available to fill at-large spots for the P5.

Top 4 G5 get first round bye. Higher seed 5 through 12 hosts at home.


Second round played at Las Vegas, New Orleans, Miami and Mobile bowls

Semifinals can be Sun Bowl and Liberty Bowl.

Championship on neutral site stadium.


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Oh God, here we go. Mindless, pointless speculation. Please also enlighten us about your latest realignment fantasies, have missed those endless posts.

I know most of you aren't seeing it yet on the G5 playoff idea but give it time.

More Money and a Monkey Wrench to the P5/ESPN plan of post season domination.

Dr. Steinbrecher you need to look into it, IMO.

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(12-29-2016 02:37 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  It'd be similar to college basketball: You get tiny conference winner that's barely above .500 in the big dance while a 22-win power conference team gets sent to the NIT.

You're right, in football, those P5 teams will whine. And like others have stated, I'm sure there will be pushback in giving a golden ticket to a G5. But there's already a similar format going on in the other major collegiate sport.

Has a 22-win P5 team ever been sent to the NIT? I can't imagine this happening since virtually all the at-large bids for the NCAA go to P5 schools.