We were down to Pitt 78-49 with 14:09 left in the second. No moral victory or anything like that, but the final was 112-106, which means we scored 57 over those last 14:09, better than 4 points per minute. That's a lot of scoring.
(12-28-2016 10:34 PM)banker Wrote: We were down to Pitt 78-49 with 14:09 left in the second. No moral victory or anything like that, but the final was 112-106, which means we scored 57 over those last 14:09, better than 4 points per minute. That's a lot of scoring.
(12-28-2016 10:34 PM)banker Wrote: We were down to Pitt 78-49 with 14:09 left in the second. No moral victory or anything like that, but the final was 112-106, which means we scored 57 over those last 14:09, better than 4 points per minute. That's a lot of scoring.
I don't want to spoil the party, but did ANYONE even THINK about playing one iota of DEFENSE??? Just curious...
(12-29-2016 01:13 AM)HogDawg Wrote: I don't want to spoil the party, but did ANYONE even THINK about playing one iota of DEFENSE??? Just curious...
We score... That's what we do.... And who we are.... What's this defense thing you speak of.
There is no one in the conference with the size and length of Ohio State, Cincy or Pitt. Marshall has been doing the little this right this year. Much better speed, better and crisper passes. Actually making free throws. Marshall was 26-30 from the line against Pitt or 86.7%.
I really believe if we would have had Terrence Thompson we would have beat Chatty, Cincy and had a shot at Pitt.
(12-28-2016 10:34 PM)banker Wrote: We were down to Pitt 78-49 with 14:09 left in the second. No moral victory or anything like that, but the final was 112-106, which means we scored 57 over those last 14:09, better than 4 points per minute. That's a lot of scoring.
When I first saw the final score I thought the game had gone in to one or two overtimes.
(12-28-2016 10:34 PM)banker Wrote: We were down to Pitt 78-49 with 14:09 left in the second. No moral victory or anything like that, but the final was 112-106, which means we scored 57 over those last 14:09, better than 4 points per minute. That's a lot of scoring.
One might also argue that you were down 29 points and Pitt thought the game was over and stopped playing.
(12-28-2016 10:34 PM)banker Wrote: We were down to Pitt 78-49 with 14:09 left in the second. No moral victory or anything like that, but the final was 112-106, which means we scored 57 over those last 14:09, better than 4 points per minute. That's a lot of scoring.
One might also argue that you were down 29 points and Pitt thought the game was over and stopped playing.
Which would be false seeing as their starters all played more than 30 minutes. They wore down. Unfortunately they made their free throws or it could have been really interesting at the end.
Marshall was 22-23 from the foul line in the second half. Only made 10-30 from 3 for the game, which is average at best, so no, not a bombs away comeback, either.
I'm not going to talk any trash about anyone because that's silly, but I hope all you guys will show up to watch us in person in league games. I think you'll enjoy the style of play.
Hopefully we can get Taylor and Thompson back on the floor at the same time and then see if we can figure out how to stop someone.
(12-28-2016 10:34 PM)banker Wrote: We were down to Pitt 78-49 with 14:09 left in the second. No moral victory or anything like that, but the final was 112-106, which means we scored 57 over those last 14:09, better than 4 points per minute. That's a lot of scoring.
I don't want to spoil the party, but did ANYONE even THINK about playing one iota of DEFENSE??? Just curious...
It's not the lack of defense that lets Marshall get their points. They bring the ball up and shoot over the defense. Yes, you can press teams like Marshall but if there passing and communication is good they'll break it and get easy looks at the rim.
It's a type of offense that relies on making shots. If you're cold you'll get run out of the gym because you're giving the opponent a ton more possessions than they'd normally have. This is why Pitt scored more than 100 as well.
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I won't get to the ODU game at Marshall because it's a Thursday night, but I will definitely see them in Norfolk. I LOVE Marshall's offensive system. But, they aren't interested in playing defense. They've given up more than a point per possession against every good team they've played. Maybe I'm old school, but I don't think that's a recipe for success, when you have to win the conference tournament for a chance to dance.
(12-29-2016 10:58 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: I won't get to the ODU game at Marshall because it's a Thursday night, but I will definitely see them in Norfolk. I LOVE Marshall's offensive system. But, they aren't interested in playing defense. They've given up more than a point per possession against every good team they've played. Maybe I'm old school, but I don't think that's a recipe for success, when you have to win the conference tournament for a chance to dance.
I don't disagree with you there. I will say that unfortunately, we have the exact same problem we had a year ago that makes Marshall have to play not to foul. It stinks. One more interior guy and I think you'd see a completely different style defensively, too. One that would be aggressive.
I wouldn't call it disinterest as much as just a size/depth problem with the 4/5 spots. It's been a work in progress that is still the one thing sort of holding back the program. It's not for lack of effort so it's tough to be upset at anyone about it. Just haven't hit across the board just yet. Haven't stopped trying, though.
Western vs Marshall should be a shootout. Last night we ran into another team like us that plays absolutely no defense and the final was 97-92 with the good guys (that play zero defense) winning.
I realize that Marshall is a lot better than Austin Peay. If you don't play dee and it certainly sounds like Marshall doesn't our guys will love you because they have no intention of playing any either.
If you do play dee against us you'll beat us by 30 because we will not be guarding your shooters. Austin Peay was shooting 33% on the year from 3 land. They shot 48% last night from the arc. Hell. They shot 62% from the field. This by a team ranked 315 in Pomeroy. They're so bad we won the game and dropped several spots in Pomeroy.
(12-28-2016 10:34 PM)banker Wrote: We were down to Pitt 78-49 with 14:09 left in the second. No moral victory or anything like that, but the final was 112-106, which means we scored 57 over those last 14:09, better than 4 points per minute. That's a lot of scoring.
I don't want to spoil the party, but did ANYONE even THINK about playing one iota of DEFENSE??? Just curious...
It's not the lack of defense that lets Marshall get their points. They bring the ball up and shoot over the defense. Yes, you can press teams like Marshall but if there passing and communication is good they'll break it and get easy looks at the rim.
It's a type of offense that relies on making shots. If you're cold you'll get run out of the gym because you're giving the opponent a ton more possessions than they'd normally have. This is why Pitt scored more than 100 as well.
But....it's just like when a game is nearing the end. The team that's ahead can give up the 2-point play every trip down, as long as they aren't giving up the 3. That's the key.
So, if you are a Marshall opponent, you just can't give up the three pointers. Anybody CAN stop the three pointers.....but typically at the risk of giving up the easy 2-point baskets. But that's okay, because a team that's behind (like Marshall in this case) will never catch you by simply trading 2-point baskets.
(12-29-2016 11:26 AM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote: I don't disagree with you there. I will say that unfortunately, we have the exact same problem we had a year ago that makes Marshall have to play not to foul. It stinks. One more interior guy and I think you'd see a completely different style defensively, too. One that would be aggressive.
I wouldn't call it disinterest as much as just a size/depth problem with the 4/5 spots. It's been a work in progress that is still the one thing sort of holding back the program. It's not for lack of effort so it's tough to be upset at anyone about it. Just haven't hit across the board just yet. Haven't stopped trying, though.
Help inside is coming. I like the approach that Dan is taking in building this team. He has built it for the long haul and not come in got rid of 75% of the roster and rebuilt in a year. That's what coaches do when they are looking to move up. Get some decent and flashy recruits, win a few games to get noticed somewhere else. Dan isn't looking for the next job. This is most likely his last job.
With Tanner Robinette (6'9) and Iran Bennett (6'10) the inside is getting more help. Also at 6'7 I think Jannson Williams and 6'6 Darius George could play some 4 if need be, even though George has played SG though out HS.
Doesn't deserve its own thread but we lost to W&M 65-54 tonight. We've had our offensive struggles the last through years but it's really at monumental levels. We shot right around 30% from the field
Dan D'Antoni Post Game Press Conference -- Pitt 12-28-16
I could set and listen to Dan talk about just basketball in general all day. But you should watch at least the 1st part of this press conference. He breaks a simple yes or no question down into analytics of the game.
