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(12-22-2016 01:14 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  

(12-22-2016 11:05 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  Likely getting a new AD this summer so Sendy is safe for this year but next year will be his evaluation year. So if you're going to be bad for next 1.5 years at least be young and build something. IMO avery, A walker, pippen, Peterson, De La Rose and J walker need at least 15-24 minutes a night. At the end of next season Sendy can at least point to a reasonable future. I'm ok with Hall Ridenour and Edwin but build something longer term.

Zabo and DeBerry should be down with Fleming. They aren't any better than the freshmen and sophmores and only have 1.5 years left and IMO I don't see MAC level D1 talent with either of them.

And like someone said let J walker watch more. have him a 6-7th man until he can figure out how to take good shots, be a good teammate and bring more to the table than just chucking it up.

Where are you getting this about the AD?

Its been on this board a # of times. he contract is up in june and he was not given an extension last summer

(12-22-2016 03:04 PM)Flashketball Wrote:  

(12-22-2016 10:21 AM)axeme Wrote:  Last night was not a coaching issue. It was DI basketball players playing poorly. They were the ones taking shots out of rhythm and bricking the others, too. Players have to execute. Ours did not. Sendy did not miss a free throw or an easy putback under the basket.

Respectfully disagree. What you just described is discipline, or lack thereof, and that's on the coaching. Constantly taking bad shots is on the coaching. Allowing a poor shooting team to take 24 3's (while making ONE) on the road is on the coaching. Shooting 39% from the foul line!? It's either on the fact that the entire team doesn't have arms, or it's on the coaching. Fundamentals. Every year. It's beyond time for a change, from the AD down.

I'm as befuddled as most everyone else ... this team did not become a BAD shooting team until two games ago .. before that their offensive execution was pretty high ...

The last three games have offered up some strange box score numbers .. vs. NJIT Kent scores over 85 points even with 22 turnovers ... and that team was better than the next two Kent played and lost to IMO ... vs. OSU Kent has 30-some offensive rebounds, out-rebound the opposition by 10, forces nearly 25 turnovers ... and still lose by 20. ...

DLRosa is a mystery ... how can you be 7-feet, play more than 15 minutes and take just one shot ... and miss it ... and he has done this more than once ...

weird team ...

Zabo is another one ... how can a guy with his pedigree and playing experience (San Diego State/JC) ... look so lost ... this guy has played a ton of basketball on a high level (Canadian national team starter too) and looks worse than a DIII player.

Just weird ....

I didn't see this game (lucky me) but my guess is it was a young team not really ready to play on the road and things just snowballed. Sendy does have to get Walker under control though. They need his shooting but they need to explain to him 35' shots are not to be taken. It will be awhile before I forget that shot against Wright St. with two minutes or so left.

Ever since I saw our RPI was around 300 (currently 282) I've wanted to review our RPI history. I used Jerry Palms RPI going back to the 1993-1994 season. Here they are in chronological order.

169,207,173,202,206,23(first year with Huffman,etc.), 36,93,25,77,76,61,48,86,21,137,47,78,106,132,216(15-16 record),94,214,282

Since the MAC is conference #20 we might be able to pull out a decent MAC record but the trend is certainly not very good and this year will probably be our lowest in the last 24 years. Looking at this I think I even forgot how good we were for 15 or so years.

(12-22-2016 05:48 PM)cleveland Wrote:  DLRosa is a mystery ... how can you be 7-feet, play more than 15 minutes and take just one shot ... and miss it ... and he has done this more than once ...

This one is easy. He's too slow with the ball. He gets fouled or stripped before he can get the shot up.

(12-23-2016 09:06 AM)anti-zip Wrote:  

(12-22-2016 05:48 PM)cleveland Wrote:  DLRosa is a mystery ... how can you be 7-feet, play more than 15 minutes and take just one shot ... and miss it ... and he has done this more than once ...

This one is easy. He's too slow with the ball. He gets fouled or stripped before he can get the shot up.

That's fine, but go get 15 boards a game. Or 10.

Unfortunately, Senderoff's teams will never be bad enough to get him fired, so we are stuck with his mediocrity for years to come. The Kent Athletic Department loves that kind of "stability".

i agree unless a new AD is on the way. If that happens all bets might be off. Ask Morrow and Lindsay.

(12-24-2016 09:56 AM)Kentville Wrote:  Unfortunately, Senderoff's teams will never be bad enough to get him fired, so we are stuck with his mediocrity for years to come. The Kent Athletic Department loves that kind of "stability".

When did the bar get set so low? We used to always be "in it." We used to play Friday nights at the MAC Tournament yearly.
And that was falling short of our goal!

(12-24-2016 01:32 PM)AlphaFlash Wrote:  

(12-24-2016 09:56 AM)Kentville Wrote:  Unfortunately, Senderoff's teams will never be bad enough to get him fired, so we are stuck with his mediocrity for years to come. The Kent Athletic Department loves that kind of "stability".

When did the bar get set so low? We used to always be "in it." We used to play Friday nights at the MAC Tournament yearly.
And that was falling short of our goal!

I'm a pretty diligent reader of all these MAC chat rooms here and otherwise ... I must be living about two months behind the times ...

With the exception of Akron and Central Michigan just about every other team in the league has folded their tents and fired their coaches. And that includes Ohio, although they haven't bounced Phillips yet.

Still don't know who won the league race or the MAC Tournament???

Must be living in a fog

I agree with Kentville. While I don't think Senderoff should be fired, IF the university was serious when they said that men's basketball would be the flagship sport, his contract should not be renewed or extended, unless their success in the MAC regular season and tournament this year is vastly greater than it would appear it is likely to be. He just hasn't produced as well as the prior coaches have the past twenty years, and in a MAC that most would agree is weaker than the MAC the previous coaches competed in.

(12-25-2016 07:37 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  I agree with Kentville. While I don't think Senderoff should be fired, IF the university was serious when they said that men's basketball would be the flagship sport, his contract should not be renewed or extended, unless their success in the MAC regular season and tournament this year is vastly greater than it would appear it is likely to be. He just hasn't produced as well as the prior coaches have the past twenty years, and in a MAC that most would agree is weaker than the MAC the previous coaches competed in.

I will believe that basketball is KSU's flagship sport when we nab an ESPN top 100 recruit or two. Somehow, Western Kentucky nabbed two for next year, one in the top 10! I would sure love one right now to play with Duling next year.

(12-25-2016 09:47 AM)KSU Agee Wrote:  

(12-25-2016 07:37 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  I agree with Kentville. While I don't think Senderoff should be fired, IF the university was serious when they said that men's basketball would be the flagship sport, his contract should not be renewed or extended, unless their success in the MAC regular season and tournament this year is vastly greater than it would appear it is likely to be. He just hasn't produced as well as the prior coaches have the past twenty years, and in a MAC that most would agree is weaker than the MAC the previous coaches competed in.

I will believe that basketball is KSU's flagship sport when we nab an ESPN top 100 recruit or two. Somehow, Western Kentucky nabbed two for next year, one in the top 10! I would sure love one right now to play with Duling next year.

Unless in special cases (hometown discount ... parental connection) the 'cost' for getting a Top 100 is not in the ballpark for a MAC team, unless it is on the rebound ...

A lot of time it is really more about 'fit' ... and then just being able to keep your seniors ... Duling is an undersize 4 ... hoping to be a 3 ... Peterson is a 3 ... hoping to be a 2 .... Pippen is a 5 ... hoping to be a four ... that is where the MAC has to make its mark ... then find a true PG to mix it all together ...

More and more the toughest thing for MAC teams to find is a true PG ... and this used to be a PG league ...

From what I can tell ... there aren't more than three/four true PG is the MAC this season ... And that is why the league is so down ... overall talent level is pretty high ... PG level is very low and it shows.

(12-23-2016 10:23 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(12-23-2016 09:06 AM)anti-zip Wrote:  

(12-22-2016 05:48 PM)cleveland Wrote:  DLRosa is a mystery ... how can you be 7-feet, play more than 15 minutes and take just one shot ... and miss it ... and he has done this more than once ...

This one is easy. He's too slow with the ball. He gets fouled or stripped before he can get the shot up.

That's fine, but go get 15 boards a game. Or 10.

Eh, I have no issues with his rebounding. He's pulling down 4.3 per game in only 13.3 mpg. If he was playing Hall's minutes he'd be right around 10. He's second on our team in rebounds per 40 minutes at 13. Hall is first at 14.8. Pippen third at 10.1.

I don't get too excited about whether a potential recruit is "top 100" or how many stars are beside their name. And, I know from news reports that Senderoff has, just like the coaches before him, offered plenty of such players. A highly successful mid-major coach needs to be able to find players that "fit" into what they are doing. They need to find players that will be highly successful despite not being worthy of the love of those who rate recruits. Jim McDonald was very good at that back in the 1980's, until late in his tenure. I agree with Cleveland about the point guard position. True quality point guards seem to be going extinct. Everyone wants to shoot the ball, early and often. Even those who don't shoot it well, Jaylin Walker, for example, is at 40%. In my mind, anyone who can't shoot 45% should pass more and shoot less.

(12-26-2016 06:05 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  I don't get too excited about whether a potential recruit is "top 100" or how many stars are beside their name. And, I know from news reports that Senderoff has, just like the coaches before him, offered plenty of such players. A highly successful mid-major coach needs to be able to find players that "fit" into what they are doing. They need to find players that will be highly successful despite not being worthy of the love of those who rate recruits. Jim McDonald was very good at that back in the 1980's, until late in his tenure. I agree with Cleveland about the point guard position. True quality point guards seem to be going extinct. Everyone wants to shoot the ball, early and often. Even those who don't shoot it well, Jaylin Walker, for example, is at 40%. In my mind, anyone who can't shoot 45% should pass more and shoot less.

At the expense of blasphemy I will report that Trevor Hufman was a career 41 percent shooter and for two years (soph/Jr) shot less than 40 percent ... the difference he learned, and what Walker hasn't ... is how to score on an average or bad night, which is getting to the line and being more selective ... and also getting his share of assists as well.

Huffman had more than his share of 4-for-13/1-for-5 nights, but 8-of-9 at the line covered most of those up ... That is what Walker has to learn

(12-26-2016 09:22 AM)cleveland Wrote:  

(12-26-2016 06:05 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  I don't get too excited about whether a potential recruit is "top 100" or how many stars are beside their name. And, I know from news reports that Senderoff has, just like the coaches before him, offered plenty of such players. A highly successful mid-major coach needs to be able to find players that "fit" into what they are doing. They need to find players that will be highly successful despite not being worthy of the love of those who rate recruits. Jim McDonald was very good at that back in the 1980's, until late in his tenure. I agree with Cleveland about the point guard position. True quality point guards seem to be going extinct. Everyone wants to shoot the ball, early and often. Even those who don't shoot it well, Jaylin Walker, for example, is at 40%. In my mind, anyone who can't shoot 45% should pass more and shoot less.

At the expense of blasphemy I will report that Trevor Hufman was a career 41 percent shooter and for two years (soph/Jr) shot less than 40 percent ... the difference he learned, and what Walker hasn't ... is how to score on an average or bad night, which is getting to the line and being more selective ... and also getting his share of assists as well.

Huffman had more than his share of 4-for-13/1-for-5 nights, but 8-of-9 at the line covered most of those up ... That is what Walker has to learn

Well to be fair, Huffman is 3rd in KSU history in assists. So to Muskrat's original point, he was passing a lot. Also, part of why his FG% was never super high is because he shot 4 out of every 10 shots from 3. He still shot a fine % from there (37.8% career lowest was 35.4). His 2Pt% was always over 40. Walker's taking a three 5 out of every 8.6 shots and shooting much lower percentages (33.3% last year and 29.6% this year). Also, he's had 25 assists in 34 career games. So that's not even a part of his game.

Personally, I think Huffman's value more so than his ability to score was the fact that he consistently contributed a lot in so many other areas. Assisted well, got some rebounds, played very good defense and was over a steal a game every year. He was a Kemba Walker type player. FG% was never crazy, but he consistently put up numbers across the board. So even on an off night he was contributing.

Huffman also took the ball to the basket. A lot. In transition and in half court sets.

(12-26-2016 10:28 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  Huffman also took the ball to the basket. A lot. In transition and in half court sets.

Exactly ... this was not to cast a shawdow on Huffman ... just to note that 45 percent shooting for a guard is harder to reach than many think ... Walker will likely end up a low 30-percent 3-point shooter, but taking the ball to the basket, and free throws, will make him a better player, not to mention assists ...

Finally ... when it comes to assists ... you don't get one if the ball doesn't go through the hoop. ... Have seen complaints about low assists, but that is a reason why ... the easiest assist to get is passing to an open 3-point shooter ... if he makes it

Good points made by all. Huffman was never a "pure shooter", and that is why Waters eventually moved him to the point.. He was a "scorer", though. And, he was a "clutch" shooter, and when his shot was falling he could take over a game. He did so many things well. Maybe 45% was too high a bar for me to have set. It depends so much on several factors. As for Jaylin Walker, he has taken more shots per minutes played than anyone else. Maybe he has the green light. If not, I think he needs select his shots more wisely and also get more assists. He's averaging fewer than 1 assist per game.