(12-17-2016 06:55 PM)DooX Wrote:  

(12-17-2016 04:44 PM)JMUPride Wrote:  we'll continue to lose coaches until we move up to FBS... I give him a total of 2 or 3 years max at JMU

FBS vs FCS has nothing to do with it.

to say FBS vs FCS has NOTHING to do with it is total BS

(12-17-2016 01:46 PM)TheDudeWithTheJMUTat Wrote:  There's always one

I've been thinking it.

His replacement could be on the staff, but it would not be near the same.

Mike the Man

He needs to prove he can build a program. Not just win one season.

Five years.

(12-18-2016 03:37 AM)jwblue Wrote:  He needs to prove he can build a program. Not just win one season.

Five years.

Nah. He's never stayed in one place too long at the collegiate level. This is his third job in five years. He'll be here for three seasons. Don't think so? Virginia Tech snatched up Justin Fuente after just two winning seasons, his last two of just four at Memphis. When big programs need coaches, they grab guys like Mike Houston fast.

Depends if MH is willing to go to a rebuild job at a low level G5 school for a quick cash out, or waits for a nicer P5 gig with better support and resources.

He may have a shot at a low level G5 this year or next. If he's willing to wait 3-5 years and build a stronger resume eventually the P5 schools will come knocking.

Everywhere he's been a HC at he's quickly elevated the program to a much higher level..In his previous 2 stops in his second year he took teams to the playoffs that hadn't been 20 some years.

2011 Lenoir Rhyne, 7-3/6-1 Tied for 1st South Atlantic Conference SAC. SAC Coach of the Year
2012 Lenoir Rhyne 9-3/6-1, 1st SAC. 1-1 playoffs, 1st time in Div II playoffs since 1980s. SAC Coach of the Year
2013 Lenoir Rhyne 13-2/7-0, 1st SAC. 4-1 playoffs, lost Div II NC game. SAC Coach of the Year
2014 Citadel 5-7/3-4
2015 Citadel: 9-4/6-1. Wins So-Con, upsets S Carolina. 1-1 playoffs, loses round of 16. Citadel 1st time playoffs since 1992. So-Con Coach of the Year
2016 JMU 13-1 so far, wins CAA, makes NC game, CAA Coach of the Year. 3rd in National Coach of the Year Voting.

(12-18-2016 11:10 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Depends if MH is willing to go to a rebuild job at a low level G5 school for a quick cash out, or waits for a nicer P5 gig with better support and resources.

He may have a shot at a low level G5 this year or next. If he's willing to wait 3-5 years and build a stronger resume eventually the P5 schools will come knocking.

I agree completely. I also think geography matters. He'd be more likely to take a G5 job in the near future if it falls within the territory he's used to recruiting. A job at ECU, ODU, GSU, MTSU, or something similar would be enticing. But I don't see him jumping for a G5 at some wayward outpost like Central Michigan or Texas El-Paso.

My ideal scenario is that he wins a few Natty's at JMU, then gets rewarded with a job at Duke, UNC, NCST, Wake, or S. Carolina. I don't want him to ever take the UVA or VT jobs because I want us to be able to beat them in the future.

(12-18-2016 11:46 PM)chicagoduke Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 11:10 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Depends if MH is willing to go to a rebuild job at a low level G5 school for a quick cash out, or waits for a nicer P5 gig with better support and resources.

He may have a shot at a low level G5 this year or next. If he's willing to wait 3-5 years and build a stronger resume eventually the P5 schools will come knocking.

I agree completely. I also think geography matters. He'd be more likely to take a G5 job in the near future if it falls within the territory he's used to recruiting. A job at ECU, ODU, GSU, MTSU, or something similar would be enticing. But I don't see him jumping for a G5 at some wayward outpost like Central Michigan or Texas El-Paso.

My ideal scenario is that he wins a few Natty's at JMU, then gets rewarded with a job at Duke, UNC, NCST, Wake, or S. Carolina. I don't want him to ever take the UVA or VT jobs because I want us to be able to beat them in the future.

Ideal?

Ideal would be JMU joins an FBS league and he stays at JMU and leads us to the promised land.

Bingo

Houston had a total of 14 division 1 wins prior to this year and had lots of things to prove with a short track record. If the Dukes can pull off a win in the national title game, then he will have matched those 14 wins in one season here at JMU. He has molded Withers' and Mathews' players into an excellent team while being flexible enough to run a different offense than he did at the Citadel.

I wasn't sold when he was hired. Thought he was good, but wasn't sure he was the best candidate available for a powerful JMU program building momentum. He has proven his worth and them some.

(12-18-2016 11:10 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Depends if MH is willing to go to a rebuild job at a low level G5 school for a quick cash out, or waits for a nicer P5 gig with better support and resources.

He may have a shot at a low level G5 this year or next. If he's willing to wait 3-5 years and build a stronger resume eventually the P5 schools will come knocking.

Which low level G5 school is waiting until after 1/7 to interview Houston to fill their opening? You mean like Florida Atlantic who just hired Kiffin a couple of weeks ago? Most jobs are filled before JMU's season is over. Last year JMU's season ended on 12/5 giving Withers and his folks a few weeks to interview for various jobs. He was named as head coach of Texas State on 1/6.

The only other jobs that may open after Bowl season may be higher level P5 but I think at this point most if not all of those coaches have been fired.

(12-19-2016 07:06 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 11:10 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Depends if MH is willing to go to a rebuild job at a low level G5 school for a quick cash out, or waits for a nicer P5 gig with better support and resources.

He may have a shot at a low level G5 this year or next. If he's willing to wait 3-5 years and build a stronger resume eventually the P5 schools will come knocking.

Which low level G5 school is waiting until after 1/7 to interview Houston to fill their opening? You mean like Florida Atlantic who just hired Kiffin a couple of weeks ago? Most jobs are filled before JMU's season is over. Last year JMU's season ended on 12/5 giving Withers and his folks a few weeks to interview for various jobs. He was named as head coach of Texas State on 1/6.

The only other jobs that may open after Bowl season may be higher level P5 but I think at this point most if not all of those coaches have been fired.

Yeah, you know things have become a bit watered down when teams with a losing record and a coach in jeopardy of being fired can make a bowl. That being said, if we were FBS I rather play a 6-6 NC State or Baylor in a bowl than a 13-0 Western Michigan.

(12-19-2016 07:06 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 11:10 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Depends if MH is willing to go to a rebuild job at a low level G5 school for a quick cash out, or waits for a nicer P5 gig with better support and resources.

He may have a shot at a low level G5 this year or next. If he's willing to wait 3-5 years and build a stronger resume eventually the P5 schools will come knocking.

Which low level G5 school is waiting until after 1/7 to interview Houston to fill their opening?

Craig Bohl left NDSU for Wyoming after NDSU won a national title. If they like you enough, they'll wait. I'm on record, however, as saying Houston will be here at least in 2017 but after that it's anyone's guess. He's absolutely, without a doubt gone by 2021 at the latest. And i'll be happy for him and know that we'll get a great coach to replace him.

In my opinion, Houston would be wise to stay at JMU for a little while and wait to see how the landscape in the ACC mid-Atlantic schools shakes out. Lots of question marks...

Will NC State continue to accept mediocrity from Dave Doeren? Since Fedora was rumored to have been interested in the LSU and Baylor jobs, how long will he stay in Chapel Hill? When will Cutcliffe retire from the Duke gig? And really, does Bronco ever put it together at UVA?

Fuente seems to be set at VT for a while. Clawson at Wake seems to be the only coach of an ACC NC school with a relatively stable future as long as he keeps them bowl eligible.

It might be hard for some ACC schools to accept hiring a guy directly from the FCS level, but if Houston can keep JMU in the top tier of FCS it might change some minds. Personally, I think he's got a shot at a P5 job straight from FCS if he wants it. Whether or not administrators at the schools I listed previously feel that way, I have no clue. Maybe they want to see G5 experience first, especially given Mike London's struggles at UVA after jumping from Richmond.

(12-19-2016 02:40 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  Personally, I think he's got a shot at a P5 job straight from FCS if he wants it. Whether or not administrators at the schools I listed previously feel that way, I have no clue. Maybe they want to see G5 experience first, especially given Mike London's struggles at UVA after jumping from Richmond.

completely agree, I've been saying that for a while now. whether he DOES want to wait for a P5 job, I'm not sure. but I believe he will have no shortage of options. look at the pregame speeches as one of MANY examples. do you know how good that stuff is for recruiting? schools are going to fall in love with that kind of thing. you can debate whether it works in game or not, but potential schools are going to be drooling all over him. if he's smart and patient, he'll wait for a P5 offer. I actually don't think London/UVA hurts him one bit. totally different situations, coaches, etc. don't think that will make even the slightest difference.

(12-18-2016 11:51 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 11:46 PM)chicagoduke Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 11:10 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Depends if MH is willing to go to a rebuild job at a low level G5 school for a quick cash out, or waits for a nicer P5 gig with better support and resources.

He may have a shot at a low level G5 this year or next. If he's willing to wait 3-5 years and build a stronger resume eventually the P5 schools will come knocking.

I agree completely. I also think geography matters. He'd be more likely to take a G5 job in the near future if it falls within the territory he's used to recruiting. A job at ECU, ODU, GSU, MTSU, or something similar would be enticing. But I don't see him jumping for a G5 at some wayward outpost like Central Michigan or Texas El-Paso.

My ideal scenario is that he wins a few Natty's at JMU, then gets rewarded with a job at Duke, UNC, NCST, Wake, or S. Carolina. I don't want him to ever take the UVA or VT jobs because I want us to be able to beat them in the future.

Ideal?

Ideal would be JMU joins an FBS league and he stays at JMU and leads us to the promised land.

I'm sincerely curious and please forgive me if you've stated in the past, but what exactly is the definition of the "promised land" mentioned above?

Thanks in advance.

(12-19-2016 02:48 PM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 02:40 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  Personally, I think he's got a shot at a P5 job straight from FCS if he wants it. Whether or not administrators at the schools I listed previously feel that way, I have no clue. Maybe they want to see G5 experience first, especially given Mike London's struggles at UVA after jumping from Richmond.

completely agree, I've been saying that for a while now. whether he DOES want to wait for a P5 job, I'm not sure. but I believe he will have no shortage of options. look at the pregame speeches as one of MANY examples. do you know how good that stuff is for recruiting? schools are going to fall in love with that kind of thing. you can debate whether it works in game or not, but potential schools are going to be drooling all over him. if he's smart and patient, he'll wait for a P5 offer. I actually don't think London/UVA hurts him one bit. totally different situations, coaches, etc. don't think that will make even the slightest difference.

The only way London hurts a rapid P5 move from Houston is that they will want to see how his recruiting pans out. London won on the backs for Clawson's recruits, and he serves as a cautionary tale for taking a coach after one good season.

If Houston recruits well, and keeps winning at JMU, he will be in the running for an ACC job in the next 4 years. If he takes a G5 job and struggles, his opportunities will be more limited.

I expect Houston has eyes on certain jobs close to his home. He doesn't strike me as a guy who wants to uproot his family and head to Texas.

(12-19-2016 02:53 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 02:48 PM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 02:40 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  Personally, I think he's got a shot at a P5 job straight from FCS if he wants it. Whether or not administrators at the schools I listed previously feel that way, I have no clue. Maybe they want to see G5 experience first, especially given Mike London's struggles at UVA after jumping from Richmond.

completely agree, I've been saying that for a while now. whether he DOES want to wait for a P5 job, I'm not sure. but I believe he will have no shortage of options. look at the pregame speeches as one of MANY examples. do you know how good that stuff is for recruiting? schools are going to fall in love with that kind of thing. you can debate whether it works in game or not, but potential schools are going to be drooling all over him. if he's smart and patient, he'll wait for a P5 offer. I actually don't think London/UVA hurts him one bit. totally different situations, coaches, etc. don't think that will make even the slightest difference.

The only way London hurts a rapid P5 move from Houston is that they will want to see how his recruiting pans out. London won on the backs for Clawson's recruits, and he serves as a cautionary tale for taking a coach after one good season.

If Houston recruits well, and keeps winning at JMU, he will be in the running for an ACC job in the next 4 years. If he takes a G5 job and struggles, his opportunities will be more limited.

I expect Houston has eyes on certain jobs close to his home. He doesn't strike me as a guy who wants to uproot his family and head to Texas.

Yep, Withers is the prime example of this. A smart coach would want to go to a school that has a program with upside potential, not a bottom dweller with limited appeal and resources. I think MH is smart enough to make good career decisions, and hopefully that will keep him here a bit longer.

(12-19-2016 02:53 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 02:48 PM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 02:40 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  Personally, I think he's got a shot at a P5 job straight from FCS if he wants it. Whether or not administrators at the schools I listed previously feel that way, I have no clue. Maybe they want to see G5 experience first, especially given Mike London's struggles at UVA after jumping from Richmond.

completely agree, I've been saying that for a while now. whether he DOES want to wait for a P5 job, I'm not sure. but I believe he will have no shortage of options. look at the pregame speeches as one of MANY examples. do you know how good that stuff is for recruiting? schools are going to fall in love with that kind of thing. you can debate whether it works in game or not, but potential schools are going to be drooling all over him. if he's smart and patient, he'll wait for a P5 offer. I actually don't think London/UVA hurts him one bit. totally different situations, coaches, etc. don't think that will make even the slightest difference.

The only way London hurts a rapid P5 move from Houston is that they will want to see how his recruiting pans out. London won on the backs for Clawson's recruits, and he serves as a cautionary tale for taking a coach after one good season.

If Houston recruits well, and keeps winning at JMU, he will be in the running for an ACC job in the next 4 years. If he takes a G5 job and struggles, his opportunities will be more limited.

I expect Houston has eyes on certain jobs close to his home. He doesn't strike me as a guy who wants to uproot his family and head to Texas.

I don't think London's issues were recruiting-based - in fact, he convinced some pretty good talent to come to Charlottesville during his time there. Problem is that he couldn't surround himself with a staff that could coach up the players coming to campus.

Coach Houston doesn't seem to have that problem so far, and really, he's proved that with more competent assistant coaches that the talent was already there for JMU to be at the top of FCS.

Some did not like the thread on our missing players. I have to quit clicking on this thread. I don't want to think about Houston leaving one day.
Those pregame comments to the players are priceless.
Maybe the Duke Club can auction off a visit to the locker room prior to a future game.