I also haven't seen anyone from NMSU indicate that they're concerned about not being able to put together a 2018 schedule. As far as I can tell all the concern is being generated by you and one other guy on a message board.

(12-19-2016 01:52 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 12:45 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 09:11 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 05:00 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  When/if Idaho finally moves to FCS, I hope they dominate and win national titles.

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it....

Exactly. And even if we do well, we get no credit because we're the school that couldn't hack it and had to move down to win. It's lose-lose.

NMSU doesn't even have an Indy schedule for 2018. Idaho will have a harder time. Everybody is pretty much booked up.
Just because UI and NMSU happen to put a schedule 5 years ago, there have been a lot of changes now and make a Indy schedule harder to put together.
Staben is doing a smart move for Idaho. NMSU may not be able to get a schedule out and they big issue for them is they don't have a FCS conference that would like them if they can't get a FBS schedule....they may drop football and just focus on basketball in the WAC.

Idaho had four non conference games already scheduled NMSU one.
Add NMSU and two FCS Idaho only needed five more and a one year waiver could have been used if needed.

I feel bad for Idaho too. I hope at somehow at the last second they stay FBS if everyone does pull their donations like UAB. If there is another shift for conferences at least New Mexico State could slide in somewhere by staying FBS vs Idaho if they go down and back up.

(12-20-2016 09:14 AM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  I feel bad for Idaho too. I hope at somehow at the last second they stay FBS if everyone does pull their donations like UAB. If there is another shift for conferences at least New Mexico State could slide in somewhere by staying FBS vs Idaho if they go down and back up.

I don't think NMSU would be picked up by anybody. They don't have the fan support for football. There would be better options from FCS than NMSU.

(12-19-2016 01:52 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 12:45 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 09:11 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 05:00 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  When/if Idaho finally moves to FCS, I hope they dominate and win national titles.

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it....

Exactly. And even if we do well, we get no credit because we're the school that couldn't hack it and had to move down to win. It's lose-lose.

NMSU doesn't even have an Indy schedule for 2018. Idaho will have a harder time. Everybody is pretty much booked up.
Just because UI and NMSU happen to put a schedule 5 years ago, there have been a lot of changes now and make a Indy schedule harder to put together.
Staben is doing a smart move for Idaho. NMSU may not be able to get a schedule out and they big issue for them is they don't have a FCS conference that would like them if they can't get a FBS schedule....they may drop football and just focus on basketball in the WAC.

B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T

Idaho put together an indy schedule on one year's notice when there were 5 less FBS programs to schedule and the BCS bowl system didn't reward playing FBS teams instead of FCS.

We have 4 games scheduled already.
NMSU makes 5.
Any FCS program makes 6.
I clicked on 3 SEC programs on FBSschedules and 2 still had openings for 2018 so clearly plenty of options exist to book 2 extra body bag games to pay for FBS. That makes 7 and 8.
Worst case scenario we play a 2nd FCS team or NMSU again and there's games 9 and 10.

That means we need TWO of the 121 other FBS programs I haven't mentioned yet to fill out a legal schedule.

We can buyout contracts or swap for later years just like we did last time we were indy. Scheduling isn't the problem. I don't know what NMSU's deal is but if Spear, one of the worst AD's in the country can do it in 12 months I'm sure NMSU will be fine.

Why does Idaho and Boise St not play??? Had that rivalry been established over the years, it would have been an easy addition to you schedule.

This is years in the making. The issues revolving around state politics to the current BJC president. I am not from Idaho, but only attended school there. The disolving of the rivalry was the last straw to attempt to move attention from Moscow to Boise. If it weren't for football, the state of Idaho wouldn't be relevant.

(12-26-2016 10:04 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Why does Idaho and Boise St not play??? Had that rivalry been established over the years, it would have been an easy addition to you schedule.

That rivalry is incredibly established, and it's as nasty as anything you'll find anywhere, to the point where it goes way beyond football. They won't play us anymore because their President's decades-long plan has been to use athletics as the only weapon he has to belittle and downgrade the U of I. Our admins over the years have been playing into his strategy perfectly from his perspective, BTW. When the WAC broke up they finally had the ability to take us off their schedule and blackball us from the MWC, and now they won't even play us in basketball.

It's a shame. because those games are great for the state, but killing them is part of BSU's master plan and our "leadership" is too myopic and weak to do anything about it.

Do you guys have a bunch of JUCO grads in your state government??? How in the world do you let them become the flag of higher education in that state???

(12-26-2016 02:54 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Do you guys have a bunch of JUCO grads in your state government??? How in the world do you let them become the flag of higher education in that state???

Oh, they're still light years behind academically. If their academics were comparable to ours they'd likely be in a better conference by now. But they're using athletics very well as a marketing tool and now our admins are telling the world they believe we can't compete and need to be on a lower level than them. Great message.

So what side is your governor on?


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(12-27-2016 12:08 AM)panama Wrote:  So what side is your governor on?


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Depends on who you ask and whether you're a conspiracy theorist. Higher ed isn't exactly his specialty so you have to fill in a lot of blanks with him. He went to BSU back when it was BJC, hasn't really ever done anything to help the U of I and the word is his wife hates us for some reason. He hasn't said one word about Idaho's football future since forever. The Governor appoints the State Board of Education and the SBOE hired Chuck Staben. This is really a political low point in Idaho history for the U of I.

(12-27-2016 01:28 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(12-27-2016 12:08 AM)panama Wrote:  So what side is your governor on?


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Depends on who you ask and whether you're a conspiracy theorist. Higher ed isn't exactly his specialty so you have to fill in a lot of blanks with him. He went to BSU back when it was BJC, hasn't really ever done anything to help the U of I and the word is his wife hates us for some reason. He hasn't said one word about Idaho's football future since forever. The Governor appoints the State Board of Education and the SBOE hired Chuck Staben. This is really a political low point in Idaho history for the U of I.

Kind of what I figured. So now the question is what do Idaho alumni think? Time to get influential folks involved.


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(12-27-2016 01:30 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-27-2016 01:28 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(12-27-2016 12:08 AM)panama Wrote:  So what side is your governor on?


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Depends on who you ask and whether you're a conspiracy theorist. Higher ed isn't exactly his specialty so you have to fill in a lot of blanks with him. He went to BSU back when it was BJC, hasn't really ever done anything to help the U of I and the word is his wife hates us for some reason. He hasn't said one word about Idaho's football future since forever. The Governor appoints the State Board of Education and the SBOE hired Chuck Staben. This is really a political low point in Idaho history for the U of I.

Kind of what I figured. So now the question is what do Idaho alumni think? Time to get influential folks involved.


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Alumni are not a monolithic group but the vast majority who have any skin in the game are pro-FBS, and they are already involved. Five-, six- and even seven-figure donations have been pulled. So far it hasn't mattered.

(12-27-2016 01:48 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(12-27-2016 01:30 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-27-2016 01:28 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(12-27-2016 12:08 AM)panama Wrote:  So what side is your governor on?


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Depends on who you ask and whether you're a conspiracy theorist. Higher ed isn't exactly his specialty so you have to fill in a lot of blanks with him. He went to BSU back when it was BJC, hasn't really ever done anything to help the U of I and the word is his wife hates us for some reason. He hasn't said one word about Idaho's football future since forever. The Governor appoints the State Board of Education and the SBOE hired Chuck Staben. This is really a political low point in Idaho history for the U of I.

Kind of what I figured. So now the question is what do Idaho alumni think? Time to get influential folks involved.


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Alumni are not a monolithic group but the vast majority who have any skin in the game are pro-FBS, and they are already involved. Five-, six- and even seven-figure donations have been pulled. So far it hasn't mattered.

I mean, I understand why, but doesn't that in some way fuel the perspective to move down by removing funding?

Really the only way supporters can protest is by refusing to open their wallet, but it also seems that in this unique case that it's actually helping strengthen their position.

(12-27-2016 05:36 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(12-27-2016 01:48 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(12-27-2016 01:30 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-27-2016 01:28 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(12-27-2016 12:08 AM)panama Wrote:  So what side is your governor on?


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Depends on who you ask and whether you're a conspiracy theorist. Higher ed isn't exactly his specialty so you have to fill in a lot of blanks with him. He went to BSU back when it was BJC, hasn't really ever done anything to help the U of I and the word is his wife hates us for some reason. He hasn't said one word about Idaho's football future since forever. The Governor appoints the State Board of Education and the SBOE hired Chuck Staben. This is really a political low point in Idaho history for the U of I.

Kind of what I figured. So now the question is what do Idaho alumni think? Time to get influential folks involved.


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Alumni are not a monolithic group but the vast majority who have any skin in the game are pro-FBS, and they are already involved. Five-, six- and even seven-figure donations have been pulled. So far it hasn't mattered.

I mean, I understand why, but doesn't that in some way fuel the perspective to move down by removing funding?

Really the only way supporters can protest is by refusing to open their wallet, but it also seems that in this unique case that it's actually helping strengthen their position.

I know. Every FBS Vandal is wrestling with what to do with their money.

By the way, someone started a petition this morning if anyone wants to sign: petitions.moveon.org/sign/keep-idaho-football-fbs

(12-23-2016 11:20 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 01:52 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 12:45 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 09:11 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 05:00 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  When/if Idaho finally moves to FCS, I hope they dominate and win national titles.

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it....

Exactly. And even if we do well, we get no credit because we're the school that couldn't hack it and had to move down to win. It's lose-lose.

NMSU doesn't even have an Indy schedule for 2018. Idaho will have a harder time. Everybody is pretty much booked up.
Just because UI and NMSU happen to put a schedule 5 years ago, there have been a lot of changes now and make a Indy schedule harder to put together.
Staben is doing a smart move for Idaho. NMSU may not be able to get a schedule out and they big issue for them is they don't have a FCS conference that would like them if they can't get a FBS schedule....they may drop football and just focus on basketball in the WAC.

B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T

Idaho put together an indy schedule on one year's notice when there were 5 less FBS programs to schedule and the BCS bowl system didn't reward playing FBS teams instead of FCS.

We have 4 games scheduled already.
NMSU makes 5.
Any FCS program makes 6.
I clicked on 3 SEC programs on FBSschedules and 2 still had openings for 2018 so clearly plenty of options exist to book 2 extra body bag games to pay for FBS. That makes 7 and 8.
Worst case scenario we play a 2nd FCS team or NMSU again and there's games 9 and 10.

That means we need TWO of the 121 other FBS programs I haven't mentioned yet to fill out a legal schedule.

We can buyout contracts or swap for later years just like we did last time we were indy. Scheduling isn't the problem. I don't know what NMSU's deal is but if Spear, one of the worst AD's in the country can do it in 12 months I'm sure NMSU will be fine.

can you get home games though? I don't know, just asking.

but I would think the issue for Idaho and NMSU is getting enough home games annually.

i think its virtually impossible to be an FBS independent over time. Unless you are ND, Army or BYU.

UMass might have it a little easier because they can schedule in Boston to attract quality home games.

(12-27-2016 01:34 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  can you get home games though? I don't know, just asking.

but I would think the issue for Idaho and NMSU is getting enough home games annually.

i think its virtually impossible to be an FBS independent over time. Unless you are ND, Army or BYU.

UMass might have it a little easier because they can schedule in Boston to attract quality home games.

Just going off 2013, when the WAC collapsed and our AD had to put together an entire indy schedule for that year on about 6 months notice and got it done, I'd say it's doable at least for a while.

Let's see, three home/home with MWC teams, one being a running series with that JuCO from Boise and a home/home with NMSU. That's 4 games, two home plus an FCS at home. Probably get a home/home with an SBC team, 3 P5 away games a year, maybe add UMASS for home/home.

How many FCS games can a team play, 2???

I don't think it would be impossible to make a schedule, just might have to sweeten the pot for some teams to come to Moscow.