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(12-19-2016 03:36 PM)cschierh Wrote:  Look at the assist statistics. Wright State seemed to run a pretty good motion offense and had 14 assists on 25 baskets.

Kent State had 6 on 22. Where was the passing? Hall had three of the assists. The guards had been doing pretty well on that, but not Sunday.

Remember Jaylin Walker throwing up a 35-foot shot with about 10 or 12 second left? Why?

Amen on that 35 footer.

(12-19-2016 03:42 PM)burden Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 03:10 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 03:01 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 02:28 PM)burden Wrote:  I'm beginning to believe we always will be good enough to be competitive but never good enough to make an NCAA ever again. You know kind of like a 7 or 8 seed in the NBA. Never a championship contender, but also never bad enough to get a high enough pick to change things.

That is quite a reach of a statement. Obviously, you are entitled to your beliefs, but that is out there IMO.

From the outside looking in ... Kent seems to have a pretty good freshman-sophomore class ... but they are freshmen and sophomores?!?!?!? ... Many past Kent teams had comparable game performances, but always seemed to find a way to win them in the end ... that is where Hall and Edwin have to show their experience - finding a way to get the big basket when needed, even when everybody knows what is coming. 1-for-11 shooting to start the second half ... then 0-for-7 after getting it down to a 2-point game with the ball is not going to get it done. ... At the very least get to the line.
Agree guards have to step up as well.

Your right they are young but so were Huffman, Mitchell, Thomas and Shaw. We always seem to find ok players but not real good ones. Who knows maybe coaching is some of it. I remember Eldon Miller at Ohio St. give him average players and he would win 20 and lose in the 2nd round of the NCAA.
Then give him future number 1's like Kelvin Ransey, Herb Williams, etc. and he would win 20 and lose in the 2nd round of the NCAA.

Exactly the point ... Mitchell-Huffman and Co. had a pretty strong upper class nursing them along ... Ed Norvell, John Whorton, Geoff Vaughn, that other long slender forward from Columbus ... Calloway ...

After Hall and Edwin ... what does Kent have now ???

If this group of young players can stay together things can get special, year by year ... Look around the MAC, with the possible exception of Buffalo ... I doubt if there is as good-and/or-deep of a freshman-sophomore class as Kent has ... at least from what has been seen on the court.

Good point. We will see what happens. I can wait. Waited 40 years for the Indians, 30+ years for the Cavs and who knows how long for the Browns. It just seems we have been on a treadmill for awhile.

(12-19-2016 05:06 PM)burden Wrote:  Good point. We will see what happens. I can wait. Waited 40 years for the Indians, 30+ years for the Cavs and who knows how long for the Browns. It just seems we have been on a treadmill for awhile.

True that .. but which Treadmill do you want instead ... Miami's, Toledo's, Eastern Michigan's, Western Michigan's, Central Michigan's, Ball State's, Northern Illinois, Bowling Green's ???? one can even argue Buffalo's or Akron's ... .... or Kent State's.

I see and follow them all, and truly believe what few fans there are at Kent State take the long term success of this team for granted ...

I know that Kent has been in the top third or so for a long time and that is great. I do appreciate it especially after watching the women's team for five years. However as good as they have been another MAC team has gone to the NCAA for eight years. Those teams are not on treadmills, maybe roller coasters but not treadmills. I'd like Kent to do better and I'm not going to justify being mediocre by saying everybody else is mediocre. I think it was Bill Veeck who said if you win a championship you can fool the fans for 5 years. Time is up for a NCAA bid.

I will take OU. A winning program and an athletic dept that is proactive and supports winning programs

Seems like we struggle to execute with the game on the line. We need to find someone who can step up and make big shots. We're 5-0 on games decided by 10 points or more and 2-4 on games decided by 10 points or less. Also, we've yet to beat a team with a winning record. My biggest concern with the roster right now is the absolute void we have a PG. Avery and Zabo just aren't doing anything at all right now. I wonder if they would ever consider trying Walker at the point. His assist numbers are fairly non-existent but I think most would agree he's got the best handles on the team. That would create the possibility to put Walker, Edwin, and Ridenour on the court at the same time which I believe are our three best guards.

Off topic but I see Andrews is pretty well wrecking JUCO right now. 22.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.2 apg, 55.4 fg%, 37% 3pt%, 77.4 ft%, and he's slightly over 1 bpg and 1 spg. He was named NJCAA D1 player of the week 2 weeks ago that included a 43 point game. Damn shame he couldn't get eligible. I like what we have in the freshmen and sophomore classes but having him in there with Duling waiting in the wings is scary. What could've been...

(12-19-2016 10:34 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  Seems like we struggle to execute with the game on the line. We need to find someone who can step up and make big shots. We're 5-0 on games decided by 10 points or more and 2-4 on games decided by 10 points or less. Also, we've yet to beat a team with a winning record. My biggest concern with the roster right now is the absolute void we have a PG. Avery and Zabo just aren't doing anything at all right now. I wonder if they would ever consider trying Walker at the point. His assist numbers are fairly non-existent but I think most would agree he's got the best handles on the team. That would create the possibility to put Walker, Edwin, and Ridenour on the court at the same time which I believe are our three best guards.

Off topic but I see Andrews is pretty well wrecking JUCO right now. 22.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.2 apg, 55.4 fg%, 37% 3pt%, 77.4 ft%, and he's slightly over 1 bpg and 1 spg. He was named NJCAA D1 player of the week 2 weeks ago that included a 43 point game. Damn shame he couldn't get eligible. I like what we have in the freshmen and sophomore classes but having him in there with Duling waiting in the wings is scary. What could've been...

What JC is Andrews playing for? Duling is putting up about 27 a game and has a strong body at 6-7.

(12-19-2016 11:42 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 10:34 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  Seems like we struggle to execute with the game on the line. We need to find someone who can step up and make big shots. We're 5-0 on games decided by 10 points or more and 2-4 on games decided by 10 points or less. Also, we've yet to beat a team with a winning record. My biggest concern with the roster right now is the absolute void we have a PG. Avery and Zabo just aren't doing anything at all right now. I wonder if they would ever consider trying Walker at the point. His assist numbers are fairly non-existent but I think most would agree he's got the best handles on the team. That would create the possibility to put Walker, Edwin, and Ridenour on the court at the same time which I believe are our three best guards.

Off topic but I see Andrews is pretty well wrecking JUCO right now. 22.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.2 apg, 55.4 fg%, 37% 3pt%, 77.4 ft%, and he's slightly over 1 bpg and 1 spg. He was named NJCAA D1 player of the week 2 weeks ago that included a 43 point game. Damn shame he couldn't get eligible. I like what we have in the freshmen and sophomore classes but having him in there with Duling waiting in the wings is scary. What could've been...

What JC is Andrews playing for? Duling is putting up about 27 a game and has a strong body at 6-7.

Pratt Community College - I wonder if Kent State has any chance with him when he's ready to move up?

(12-20-2016 08:02 AM)Slinkin Street Flash Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 11:42 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 10:34 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  Seems like we struggle to execute with the game on the line. We need to find someone who can step up and make big shots. We're 5-0 on games decided by 10 points or more and 2-4 on games decided by 10 points or less. Also, we've yet to beat a team with a winning record. My biggest concern with the roster right now is the absolute void we have a PG. Avery and Zabo just aren't doing anything at all right now. I wonder if they would ever consider trying Walker at the point. His assist numbers are fairly non-existent but I think most would agree he's got the best handles on the team. That would create the possibility to put Walker, Edwin, and Ridenour on the court at the same time which I believe are our three best guards.

Off topic but I see Andrews is pretty well wrecking JUCO right now. 22.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.2 apg, 55.4 fg%, 37% 3pt%, 77.4 ft%, and he's slightly over 1 bpg and 1 spg. He was named NJCAA D1 player of the week 2 weeks ago that included a 43 point game. Damn shame he couldn't get eligible. I like what we have in the freshmen and sophomore classes but having him in there with Duling waiting in the wings is scary. What could've been...

What JC is Andrews playing for? Duling is putting up about 27 a game and has a strong body at 6-7.

Pratt Community College - I wonder if Kent State has any chance with him when he's ready to move up?

Must say I don't know the rules for JC recruits but ... delarosa came to Kent after a redshirt year at St. John's then a JC freshman year ... wonder if Andrews could do the same ... ???

I have heard that staff assisted in directing him to JC and where. You can bet that we are not giving up on him. This will probably be an up hill struggle. Unfortunately, he had no academic discipline from high school in that he was a favored athlete and was treated as one. I would imagine that a high goal would be to get 2 years of D1 from him.

It would be great if he ended up back at Kent. With some of his off the court baggage and the fact that he'll probably always be an eligibility risk, the big school will probably shy away. Plus I imagine there would be some loyalty from him towards Kent. I'm still holding out hope, but it's tough to not be disappointed. I thought he was the best HS recruit we'd ever landed.

As far as what it would take for him to get out of JUCO after one year I believe he would have to get a 2-year degree. If he had any transferable credits from last year it might be possible, but it seems like last year wasn't a banner year for him academically. De La Rosa spent a year at St Johns but I believe he was on scholarship and just redshirted, not a partial qualifier. So he probably had credits. Edelman was another example. I can't remember the details on him. I think he actually qualified out of HS but went to JC because he didn't get an offer he liked or something like that. Long story short, I would be surprised if Andrews could get out after one year.

As for him being favored in HS, that definitely could be true but I bet that possibility probably existed for most of our players when they were in HS. He should shoulder some of the blame. One of his HS teammates plays football for Ohio State and another is currently one of the top HS Basketball players in the area, recently broke Andrews' school scoring record, and is supposedly a really good student (probably already has more college credits than Andrews). Those guys were his peers and they took care of their academics in the same environment.

(12-19-2016 07:40 PM)burden Wrote:  I know that Kent has been in the top third or so for a long time and that is great. I do appreciate it especially after watching the women's team for five years. However as good as they have been another MAC team has gone to the NCAA for eight years. Those teams are not on treadmills, maybe roller coasters but not treadmills. I'd like Kent to do better and I'm not going to justify being mediocre by saying everybody else is mediocre. I think it was Bill Veeck who said if you win a championship you can fool the fans for 5 years. Time is up for a NCAA bid.

Absolutely 100%.

(12-19-2016 07:40 PM)burden Wrote:  I know that Kent has been in the top third or so for a long time and that is great. I do appreciate it especially after watching the women's team for five years. However as good as they have been another MAC team has gone to the NCAA for eight years. Those teams are not on treadmills, maybe roller coasters but not treadmills. I'd like Kent to do better and I'm not going to justify being mediocre by saying everybody else is mediocre. I think it was Bill Veeck who said if you win a championship you can fool the fans for 5 years. Time is up for a NCAA bid.

Agreed, good post

(12-21-2016 12:37 AM)anti-zip Wrote:  It would be great if he ended up back at Kent. With some of his off the court baggage and the fact that he'll probably always be an eligibility risk, the big school will probably shy away. Plus I imagine there would be some loyalty from him towards Kent. I'm still holding out hope, but it's tough to not be disappointed. I thought he was the best HS recruit we'd ever landed.

As far as what it would take for him to get out of JUCO after one year I believe he would have to get a 2-year degree. If he had any transferable credits from last year it might be possible, but it seems like last year wasn't a banner year for him academically. De La Rosa spent a year at St Johns but I believe he was on scholarship and just redshirted, not a partial qualifier. So he probably had credits. Edelman was another example. I can't remember the details on him. I think he actually qualified out of HS but went to JC because he didn't get an offer he liked or something like that. Long story short, I would be surprised if Andrews could get out after one year.

As for him being favored in HS, that definitely could be true but I bet that possibility probably existed for most of our players when they were in HS. He should shoulder some of the blame. One of his HS teammates plays football for Ohio State and another is currently one of the top HS Basketball players in the area, recently broke Andrews' school scoring record, and is supposedly a really good student (probably already has more college credits than Andrews). Those guys were his peers and they took care of their academics in the same environment.

I saw Andrews in high school and agree that he might be the best recruit ever for us. Have not seem DJ Duling but he sounds like he could be it. He is listed at 6'7 and a developed body. He has all the tools and scores at 25-+ per game. Good student. Before the end of this season, he may be the envy of high majors. Help may be on the way.

Folks, it's BJ Duling.

(12-21-2016 09:01 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  Folks, it's BJ Duling.

ESPN is pissing me off lol...

They still have him listed as BJ Dulling.

Sorry BJ