(12-16-2016 09:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 08:59 PM)450bench Wrote:  Seriously?

If you don't like Tubby, fine, jump off the bandwagon...please do that...personally, I think it's hilarious that some are just blasting the guy this early and with the total pieces that make up this puzzle right now. Craziness.
Clearly the pastner hangover has some needing some form of rehab.

You're taking too much of your reactionary/paranoid attitude from the pol-rel board over here.

There is no "blasting" going. Some logically questioned the sub pattern (or lack thereof) in the 2nd half of a LOSS to Monmouth.

Heck, Tubby even conceded he may have erred, just as he admitted after the Providence game (re: substitutions).

As for the "total pieces" that Memphis does/doesn't have right now--who is responsible for that?

There have been numerous dispassionate threads and posts about how the roster could have been bolstered. This comes from "no nothing posters" on here like Hoopdreams, more respected bball guys like Easterwood, and national basketball writers like Parrish.

Your first paragraph/sentence is bs.

The rest doesn't matter at all. Yes, Tubby should have played Chad more. You're right. Everybody with a pulse probably recognized that. Tubby admitted the same.

IMO, the pastner hangover remains for some of you and great, fine, cool, whatever.
I choose to believe that Tubby will bring the program back to where we are all used to.

(12-16-2016 01:56 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 08:59 PM)450bench Wrote:  Seriously?

If you don't like Tubby, fine, jump off the bandwagon...please do that...personally, I think it's hilarious that some are just blasting the guy this early and with the total pieces that make up this puzzle right now. Craziness.
Clearly the pastner hangover has some needing some form of rehab.

You're taking too much of your reactionary/paranoid attitude from the pol-rel board over here.

There is no "blasting" going. Some logically questioned the sub pattern (or lack thereof) in the 2nd half of a LOSS to Monmouth.

Heck, Tubby even conceded he may have erred, just as he admitted after the Providence game (re: substitutions).

As for the "total pieces" that Memphis does/doesn't have right now--who is responsible for that?

There have been numerous dispassionate threads and posts about how the roster could have been bolstered. This comes from "no nothing posters" on here like Hoopdreams, more respected bball guys like Easterwood, and national basketball writers like Parrish.

Your first paragraph/sentence is bs.

The rest doesn't matter at all. Yes, Tubby should have played Chad more. You're right. Everybody with a pulse probably recognized that. Tubby admitted the same.

IMO, the pastner hangover remains for some of you and great, fine, cool, whatever.
I choose to believe that Tubby will bring the program back to where we are all used to.

Agree. ^^^ In this uncertain future...lol..... I choose likewise.

Some were not happy the second Tubby was hired--citing his inability to recruit, right off the bat and then going after any info that supported this bad mark he carried on his soul...lol (sorry for that horrible analogy).

Bottom line: No coach is perfect. I choose this one (Tubby) over the one we had, and I choose him over the choices with which we were left..especially after our 7 year descent.

And with that choice comes my support, even through his mistakes. I think we forget that good coaches learn from their mistakes. We did not see any evidence of that in our last one.

Hey. It's hella lot easier and more fun to get excited about Tiger BB now.

(12-16-2016 01:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 01:33 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 08:59 PM)450bench Wrote:  Seriously?

If you don't like Tubby, fine, jump off the bandwagon...please do that...personally, I think it's hilarious that some are just blasting the guy this early and with the total pieces that make up this puzzle right now. Craziness.
Clearly the pastner hangover has some needing some form of rehab.

You're taking too much of your reactionary/paranoid attitude from the pol-rel board over here.

There is no "blasting" going. Some logically questioned the sub pattern (or lack thereof) in the 2nd half of a LOSS to Monmouth.

Heck, Tubby even conceded he may have erred, just as he admitted after the Providence game (re: substitutions).

As for the "total pieces" that Memphis does/doesn't have right now--who is responsible for that?

There have been numerous dispassionate threads and posts about how the roster could have been bolstered. This comes from "no nothing posters" on here like Hoopdreams, more respected bball guys like Easterwood, and national basketball writers like Parrish.

You have to admit that Mr. Bench does have a bit of a point though. The point being is some here, and if the boot fits put it on and own it, just don't like Tubby, either because he wasn't their choice or they don't like him and his style. To be critical almost daily shows there is dislike or I'm mad at the selection of this guy as the new head coach. It should be easy to admit it because everyone here I guess with the exception Easterwood hides behind a scree name. The proof will be in pudding. If Tubby has successes and the individuals who take their shots at him stay silent, they will be guilty of not liking Tubby. And I'm ok with it, if you don't like him as the coach and want to pound away on him every other day, go for it, but don't try to fake that you are just critiquing him when in reality you just don't like him and you want to bash and take shots at him. Just own it. I said in another post that it's a lot easier to pound away on the coach behind a screen name. I on the other hand took my displeasure with Joshie to the streets in public and at the games from my seat. Everyone knew how I felt about josh. I wasn't simply critiquing Josh's coaching moves or his lack of recruitment. I didn't like him and I wanted him GONE. I got my wish but not before I had to endure 7 years of crap. I did the same with Tic.

I just don't see that.

I have no issue with Tubby personally, have seen good things on the court so far aside from a few hiccups, but it's fair to question his recruiting IMO and one problem is folks are having a hard time delineating between criticism of coaching (on the floor) and criticism of recruiting (off the floor).

The main issue is there is a sort of fan, where when a new coach is picked, they put on blue blinders and support blindly no matter what. There is another sort of fan, who would rather look at the total picture from an analytical and rationale standpoint. The first sort of fan always gets their undies in a twist and then it starts these long threads of name calling and back and forth. Heck, there are still a small portion who are arguing the point on Monmouth when the freaking HEAD COACH admitted he probably erred.

THAT is the real problem. Emotional folks with little to zero ability to reason or communicate.

I still stand by my post. If Tubby is successful tomorrow for instance the folks that like to be critical and analytical should easily be able to come on here and praise the guy. Some of your points however are very good and I agree with those. That being said, are you "hoopdreams" a big Tiger basketball fan or are you just a basketball fan that loves college hoops and likes to talk the game up and armchair quarterback the desicions of the sitting coach? Now maybe it's possible to be both, that is if you enjoy being analytical about lots of things, especially basketball. I myself am a huge Tiger basketball fan. When Larry Finch comes over your house when your 7, (I'm almost 49 now) you can't help but become a Tiger fan. Now I do agree some fans do put blinders on, I'm not one of those fans. With Tubby, I like him and think he will excel here. Will he make mistakes, Yes, and I will admit those mistakes. But after I have said it once, it's time to move on for me. If a poster keeps bringing up the same thing over and over, it becomes a deal of beating a dead horse.

On a positive note, I went and saw East play last night. Lomax is the real deal and I hear that he likes Memphis and Tubby. We shall see.

(12-16-2016 02:30 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  I still stand by my post. If Tubby is successful tomorrow for instance the folks that like to be critical and analytical should easily be able to come on here and praise the guy. Some of your points however are very good and I agree with those. That being said, are you "hoopdreams" a big Tiger basketball fan or are you just a basketball fan that loves college hoops and likes to talk the game up and armchair quarterback the desicions of the sitting coach? Now maybe it's possible to be both, that is if you enjoy being analytical about lots of things, especially basketball. I myself am a huge Tiger basketball fan. When Larry Finch comes over your house when your 7, (I'm almost 49 now) you can't help but become a Tiger fan. Now I do agree some fans do put blinders on, I'm not one of those fans. With Tubby, I like him and think he will excel here. Will he make mistakes, Yes, and I will admit those mistakes. But after I have said it once, it's time to move on for me. If a poster keeps bringing up the same thing over and over, it becomes a deal of beating a dead horse.

On a positive note, I went and saw East play last night. Lomax is the real deal and I hear that he likes Memphis and Tubby. We shall see.

I can't speak for everyone. I was in the UAB game thread saying good win. I was in the Monmouth threads saying why'd he sit Chad the final 14 mpg. It's a message board. It's what folks do.

I'm a fan of Memphis Tigers, Memphis Grizzlies, and college hoops. Got kicked out of the field house by Finch when I was a kid. Met John Calipari at Italian Festival one year. Talked with Dana Kirk on the phone once. Got Penny's autograph when he was a senior at Treadwell and shot hoops on an outdoor goal near the old athletic dorms with Cheyenne Gibson. Etc.

To the other point - I thought watching East vs the team from Chatt on ESPN a couple of weeks ago that East had a lot of young, raw talent. A lot of DI players on both squads really.

At least this guy's not going to go off the deep end because of some fans' criticism, constructive or otherwise, and say things like:

If you want to know about basketball, ask me or coach Fizdale.
Fans are in outer space if they think I've lost control of the program.
Yeah, they had successful runs before, but how many of 'em were vacated?

I don't care who you are or what, if any, agenda you secretly hold, you know you're relieved to have the guy we have now over the guy who said all that garbage (while wearing Tiger logo clothing.)

Winning cures all ills. I'm not worried, at this point, and I don't really understand why anyone else would be, but to each his own. That's one of the great things about this country -- freedom of speech.

Fizdale is a witch.

(12-16-2016 02:41 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 02:30 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  I still stand by my post. If Tubby is successful tomorrow for instance the folks that like to be critical and analytical should easily be able to come on here and praise the guy. Some of your points however are very good and I agree with those. That being said, are you "hoopdreams" a big Tiger basketball fan or are you just a basketball fan that loves college hoops and likes to talk the game up and armchair quarterback the desicions of the sitting coach? Now maybe it's possible to be both, that is if you enjoy being analytical about lots of things, especially basketball. I myself am a huge Tiger basketball fan. When Larry Finch comes over your house when your 7, (I'm almost 49 now) you can't help but become a Tiger fan. Now I do agree some fans do put blinders on, I'm not one of those fans. With Tubby, I like him and think he will excel here. Will he make mistakes, Yes, and I will admit those mistakes. But after I have said it once, it's time to move on for me. If a poster keeps bringing up the same thing over and over, it becomes a deal of beating a dead horse.

On a positive note, I went and saw East play last night. Lomax is the real deal and I hear that he likes Memphis and Tubby. We shall see.

I can't speak for everyone. I was in the UAB game thread saying good win. I was in the Monmouth threads saying why'd he sit Chad the final 14 mpg. It's a message board. It's what folks do.

I'm a fan of Memphis Tigers, Memphis Grizzlies, and college hoops. Got kicked out of the field house by Finch when I was a kid. Met John Calipari at Italian Festival one year. Talked with Dana Kirk on the phone once. Got Penny's autograph when he was a senior at Treadwell and shot hoops on an outdoor goal near the old athletic dorms with Cheyenne Gibson. Etc.

To the other point - I thought watching East vs the team from Chatt on ESPN a couple of weeks ago that East had a lot of young, raw talent. A lot of DI players on both squads really.

Good post. I got a few questions. One, why did Larry kick you out of the gym? I'm thinking you're around my age, yes? Cheyenne was a good player, I liked him, at least when he wasn't falling down while dribbling the ball. anyway, were you able to guard Cheyenne? I consider you a fan and I believe you know the game well, which I have told you before if I'm remembering correctly.

I have played horse with Larry and Jeremy Hunt. I lost every time. I did put a few letters on the both of them. But when they wanted to win, they turned it up a notch on me.

(12-16-2016 02:59 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 02:41 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 02:30 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  I still stand by my post. If Tubby is successful tomorrow for instance the folks that like to be critical and analytical should easily be able to come on here and praise the guy. Some of your points however are very good and I agree with those. That being said, are you "hoopdreams" a big Tiger basketball fan or are you just a basketball fan that loves college hoops and likes to talk the game up and armchair quarterback the desicions of the sitting coach? Now maybe it's possible to be both, that is if you enjoy being analytical about lots of things, especially basketball. I myself am a huge Tiger basketball fan. When Larry Finch comes over your house when your 7, (I'm almost 49 now) you can't help but become a Tiger fan. Now I do agree some fans do put blinders on, I'm not one of those fans. With Tubby, I like him and think he will excel here. Will he make mistakes, Yes, and I will admit those mistakes. But after I have said it once, it's time to move on for me. If a poster keeps bringing up the same thing over and over, it becomes a deal of beating a dead horse.

On a positive note, I went and saw East play last night. Lomax is the real deal and I hear that he likes Memphis and Tubby. We shall see.

I can't speak for everyone. I was in the UAB game thread saying good win. I was in the Monmouth threads saying why'd he sit Chad the final 14 mpg. It's a message board. It's what folks do.

I'm a fan of Memphis Tigers, Memphis Grizzlies, and college hoops. Got kicked out of the field house by Finch when I was a kid. Met John Calipari at Italian Festival one year. Talked with Dana Kirk on the phone once. Got Penny's autograph when he was a senior at Treadwell and shot hoops on an outdoor goal near the old athletic dorms with Cheyenne Gibson. Etc.

To the other point - I thought watching East vs the team from Chatt on ESPN a couple of weeks ago that East had a lot of young, raw talent. A lot of DI players on both squads really.

Good post. I got a few questions. One, why did Larry kick you out of the gym? I'm thinking you're around my age, yes? Cheyenne was a good player, I liked him, at least when he wasn't falling down while dribbling the ball. anyway, were you able to guard Cheyenne? I consider you a fan and I believe you know the game well, which I have told you before if I'm remembering correctly.

I have played horse with Larry and Jeremy Hunt. I lost every time. I did put a few letters on the both of them. But when they wanted to win, they turned it up a notch on me.

Poop was rubbing one out in the corner when Finch ran him out of Elma Roane.

(12-16-2016 02:41 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 02:30 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  I still stand by my post. If Tubby is successful tomorrow for instance the folks that like to be critical and analytical should easily be able to come on here and praise the guy. Some of your points however are very good and I agree with those. That being said, are you "hoopdreams" a big Tiger basketball fan or are you just a basketball fan that loves college hoops and likes to talk the game up and armchair quarterback the desicions of the sitting coach? Now maybe it's possible to be both, that is if you enjoy being analytical about lots of things, especially basketball. I myself am a huge Tiger basketball fan. When Larry Finch comes over your house when your 7, (I'm almost 49 now) you can't help but become a Tiger fan. Now I do agree some fans do put blinders on, I'm not one of those fans. With Tubby, I like him and think he will excel here. Will he make mistakes, Yes, and I will admit those mistakes. But after I have said it once, it's time to move on for me. If a poster keeps bringing up the same thing over and over, it becomes a deal of beating a dead horse.

On a positive note, I went and saw East play last night. Lomax is the real deal and I hear that he likes Memphis and Tubby. We shall see.

I can't speak for everyone. I was in the UAB game thread saying good win. I was in the Monmouth threads saying why'd he sit Chad the final 14 mpg. It's a message board. It's what folks do.

I'm a fan of Memphis Tigers, Memphis Grizzlies, and college hoops. Got kicked out of the field house by Finch when I was a kid. Met John Calipari at Italian Festival one year. Talked with Dana Kirk on the phone once. Got Penny's autograph when he was a senior at Treadwell and shot hoops on an outdoor goal near the old athletic dorms with Cheyenne Gibson. Etc.

To the other point - I thought watching East vs the team from Chatt on ESPN a couple of weeks ago that East had a lot of young, raw talent. A lot of DI players on both squads really.

about the East cats...yes Penny has some really good raw/young talent. I could easily see several of his players playing D1 ball. I like Moss in addition to Lomax. Lomax is a winner, a leader. He shoots well. Last night he made three shots well beyond where the NBA three point line would be. He's got great foot work. He's both fast and quick. He handles the ball like it's on a string and sees the floor well. Tubby has to make him a high priority. He's the real deal.

y'all need to relax.

Overpriced mediocrity. That's my take.

(12-16-2016 01:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 01:33 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 08:59 PM)450bench Wrote:  Seriously?

If you don't like Tubby, fine, jump off the bandwagon...please do that...personally, I think it's hilarious that some are just blasting the guy this early and with the total pieces that make up this puzzle right now. Craziness.
Clearly the pastner hangover has some needing some form of rehab.

You're taking too much of your reactionary/paranoid attitude from the pol-rel board over here.

There is no "blasting" going. Some logically questioned the sub pattern (or lack thereof) in the 2nd half of a LOSS to Monmouth.

Heck, Tubby even conceded he may have erred, just as he admitted after the Providence game (re: substitutions).

As for the "total pieces" that Memphis does/doesn't have right now--who is responsible for that?

There have been numerous dispassionate threads and posts about how the roster could have been bolstered. This comes from "no nothing posters" on here like Hoopdreams, more respected bball guys like Easterwood, and national basketball writers like Parrish.

You have to admit that Mr. Bench does have a bit of a point though. The point being is some here, and if the boot fits put it on and own it, just don't like Tubby, either because he wasn't their choice or they don't like him and his style. To be critical almost daily shows there is dislike or I'm mad at the selection of this guy as the new head coach. It should be easy to admit it because everyone here I guess with the exception Easterwood hides behind a scree name. The proof will be in pudding. If Tubby has successes and the individuals who take their shots at him stay silent, they will be guilty of not liking Tubby. And I'm ok with it, if you don't like him as the coach and want to pound away on him every other day, go for it, but don't try to fake that you are just critiquing him when in reality you just don't like him and you want to bash and take shots at him. Just own it. I said in another post that it's a lot easier to pound away on the coach behind a screen name. I on the other hand took my displeasure with Joshie to the streets in public and at the games from my seat. Everyone knew how I felt about josh. I wasn't simply critiquing Josh's coaching moves or his lack of recruitment. I didn't like him and I wanted him GONE. I got my wish but not before I had to endure 7 years of crap. I did the same with Tic.

I just don't see that.

I have no issue with Tubby personally, have seen good things on the court so far aside from a few hiccups, but it's fair to question his recruiting IMO and one problem is folks are having a hard time delineating between criticism of coaching (on the floor) and criticism of recruiting (off the floor).

The main issue is there is a sort of fan, where when a new coach is picked, they put on blue blinders and support blindly no matter what. There is another sort of fan, who would rather look at the total picture from an analytical and rationale standpoint. The first sort of fan always gets their undies in a twist and then it starts these long threads of name calling and back and forth. Heck, there are still a small portion who are arguing the point on Monmouth when the freaking HEAD COACH admitted he probably erred.

THAT is the real problem. Emotional folks with little to zero ability to reason or communicate.

There is also the 3rd sort of fan that's willing to give Tubby and his coaching staff more than half a season before we start pouncing on the negatives. We already see player development. If recruiting doesn't pick up, then we'll eventually move on from this staff as well. But gotta give them more than half a season before most fans make up their mind. Fortunately most Tiger fans are of this 3rd sort.

The ones who are Coach lovers are few but vocal.
The ones who are primarily focused on the negatives are few as well but very vocal.