Oh, I'm not upset. I understand what you're saying. I just look at it and say I'm not going to try and change the system now because it doesn't benefit me.

I've long said that the only way Texas State is guaranteed a bowl is for us to win the conference. I say the same to every other team out there.

(12-06-2016 01:11 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Oh, I'm not upset. I understand what you're saying. I just look at it and say I'm not going to try and change the system now because it doesn't benefit me.

I've long said that the only way Texas State is guaranteed a bowl is for us to win the conference. I say the same to every other team out there.

6-6 will put you in a bowl game from here on out, in most years.

I've been thinking about this for days since the bowl announcements were made. It's just crazy to see people upset at the Nola Bowl, they took the SBC when NO ONE wanted us. The Cajuns were bowl eligible in 05, 06, 08, and 09 with zero bowl games. Had that been right now, we'd have gone to 4 bowls in 5 years. Just getting a second bowl invite was an amazing accomplishment for the conference. Hell, most of the young pups don't remember the Memo of Understanding fiasco in 08 with the Independence bowl. That was what solidified my hatred for Wrong Waters. 6 bowl games for our conference seemed like a far fetched dream even 5 years ago.

**Note, if you don't know what I'm talking about...our old commissioner basically got secondary bowl agreements signed on the back of a used napkin from Denny's...then was surprised that those agreements didn't hold water. Benson's not great, but he's INFINITELY better than that fat tub of crap.

(12-06-2016 12:39 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 09:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Who's complaining about the NOLA bowl selection?

I mean, it's a no brainer... The Cajuns have filled that bowl many times over. It is in a town that has many Cajun fans.

Can someone explain why there's an issue here? I mean, I could understand if the Cajuns were 5-7 and got selected over a team with more wins... But that is not the case.

Because teams will end up in Arizona simply because one of 'our' bowls is really the property of one team. I'm not mad about this year....I just see it as a general problem. For USA, we have TWO bowls that we cannot participate in, regardless of our record....The New Orleans Bowl and the Dollar General. Its good that the Camellia likes us.

Sure, its better than not bowling, but still...we could get another, equitable bowl slot if we jettisoned a bowl that isn't working with the conference.

I still think that 2 times in 5 years should be the limit unless there's a exceptional reason to do so. This year, the NO Bowl has a local team (USM is actually closer to New Orleans than ULL). Let ULL go somewhere else for a change. An App/USM match would be well attended. Why should App be limited in their bowl options simply because the conference has a bowl that doesn't really work with the conference. ULL has played in that bowl the last FIVE times they've been bowl eligible. Five out of the last six years. Add up the fact that the other good bowl in the conference won't take one team (USA) and has a decided preference for a particular team (Ark State), then there's a real problem developing.

For Texas State, there's a problem. You guys want to go to the 'no one will see it bowl' at the business end of a 1000 dollar airfare simply because the conference won't establish a protocol for bowl slots. Other conferences do that.

The dynamic has changed. Its good that we've gone from not enough slots to inequitable slots, but that doesn't mean we can't work on equitable treatment.

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Easy enough to fix.

1) No bowl can take a team more than 2 times in a five year period, unless there's a waiver. This guarantees that at least THREE different teams will play in a particular bowl in a five year period.
2) Teams that finish first or second should be placed prior to six win teams (subject to the constraint above). And no, playing UCF in a road game or going to Arizona isn't going to be considered to be placing prior to the DG or the NO Bowl.
3) No bowl can effectively ban any teams in the conference

The only 2 teams we have played as much as USM are ULM and stAte...this was the matchup the Nola bowl has always wanted. This one isn't even about just tickets, it's 2 old rivals with similar fan bases that haven't played in a while. Having bowls only take 2 teams in 5 years will only hurt the the bowls,the conference and the teams who are consistently eligible.

If we are on par with CUSA then our bowl picking first shouldn't be matched up with a 5th or 6th seed CUSA.


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(12-06-2016 08:45 AM)Hemi Man Wrote:  If we are on par with CUSA then our bowl picking first shouldn't be matched up with a 5th or 6th seed CUSA.


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It isn't...it's order of pick not ranking. Again this will be the 2nd time in 7 years it's even a cusa team... let's hope we fair better than our champion did with their last "lowly team" I don't get where this superior attitude comes from.

If the Cajuns don't bring more fans to the NOLA bowl than their own home games, NOLA is going to be very disappointed in the turnout.

(12-06-2016 08:59 AM)APPrising Wrote:  If the Cajuns don't bring more fans to the NOLA bowl than their own home games, NOLA is going to be very disappointed in the turnout.

We have everytime, we have a very large alumni base in New Orleans. Top 4 highest attended and we are 4-0...I mean what are they thinking inviting us.

(12-06-2016 08:58 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 08:45 AM)Hemi Man Wrote:  If we are on par with CUSA then our bowl picking first shouldn't be matched up with a 5th or 6th seed CUSA.


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It isn't...it's order of pick not ranking. Again this will be the 2nd time in 7 years it's even a cusa team... let's hope we fair better than our champion did with their last "lowly team" I don't get where this superior attitude comes from.

Perception is reality. There's no reason for an 11-1 Cajun team to face off vs 6-6 USM or a filler from another conference. I think the matchup is great in NOLA this year. For the most part I think everyone got the matchups they deserve. I think Air Force is likely very unhappy with what they perceive as a weak opponent.

(12-06-2016 09:12 AM)Hemi Man Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 08:58 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 08:45 AM)Hemi Man Wrote:  If we are on par with CUSA then our bowl picking first shouldn't be matched up with a 5th or 6th seed CUSA.


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It isn't...it's order of pick not ranking. Again this will be the 2nd time in 7 years it's even a cusa team... let's hope we fair better than our champion did with their last "lowly team" I don't get where this superior attitude comes from.

Perception is reality. There's no reason for an 11-1 Cajun team to face off vs 6-6 USM or a filler from another conference. I think the matchup is great in NOLA this year. For the most part I think everyone got the matchups they deserve. I think Air Force is likely very unhappy with what they perceive as a weak opponent.

An 11-1 Cajun team would not be playing a 6-6 USM.

(12-06-2016 09:14 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  An 11-1 Cajun team would not be playing a 6-6 USM.

Actually this year, yes they would.

(12-06-2016 09:15 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 09:14 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  An 11-1 Cajun team would not be playing a 6-6 USM.

Actually this year, yes they would.

No they wouldn't, wtf do you think you are? You obviously don't have a clue how this works.

NOLA wants butts in seats and have a CUSA tie in, they want to take USM according to that logic, which you agree with.

Sounds like you'd prefer to speak out of both sides of your mouth.

NOLA is about the $$$, not the matchup. Unless ESPN stepped in and stopped them from taking USM that is exactly who an 11-1 ULL team would be playing.

That is exactly how this works and exactly how the Camellia Bowl worked this year. The only thing that trumps what the bowls want is what TV partners want.

(12-06-2016 09:21 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  NOLA wants butts in seats and have a CUSA tie in, they want to take USM according to that logic, which you agree with.

Sounds like you'd prefer to speak out of both sides of your mouth.

NOLA is about the $$$, not the matchup. Unless ESPN stepped in and stopped them from taking USM that is exactly who an 11-1 ULL team would be playing.

That is exactly how this works and exactly how the Camellia Bowl worked this year. The only thing that trumps what the bowls want is what TV partners want.

No that's why we have a commmisioner, who's office is in New Orleans. We would have been sent elsewhere and stAte or USA would have gotten the slot or benson would have negotiated a different team to the USM slot. There are negotiations and they look at all possibilities and do what's best for the bowls and the conference...not the fans which is what I've been trying to tell you. A lot of money at stake for all involved and deals are made all the time.

You really are naive to the process. Benson doesn't control the bowls and certainly doesn't control TV execs. What the bowls want they get unless TV steps in.

(12-06-2016 09:26 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 09:21 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  NOLA wants butts in seats and have a CUSA tie in, they want to take USM according to that logic, which you agree with.

Sounds like you'd prefer to speak out of both sides of your mouth.

NOLA is about the $$$, not the matchup. Unless ESPN stepped in and stopped them from taking USM that is exactly who an 11-1 ULL team would be playing.

That is exactly how this works and exactly how the Camellia Bowl worked this year. The only thing that trumps what the bowls want is what TV partners want.

No that's why we have a commmisioner, who's office is in New Orleans. We would have been sent elsewhere and stAte or USA would have gotten the slot or benson would have negotiated a different team to the USM slot. There are negotiations and they look at all possibilities and do what's best for the bowls and the conference...not the fans which is what I've been trying to tell you. A lot of money at stake for all involved and deals are made all the time.

You're expecting Benson to protect you? All credibility lost.


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(12-06-2016 09:40 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  You really are naive to the process. Benson doesn't control the bowls and certainly doesn't control TV execs. What the bowls want they get unless TV steps in.

And apparently you don't know the difference between negotiate and control. He is the common piece between all the bowls, he is the one who can make the deals. At the end it is up to the bowls but he is involved.

(12-06-2016 09:43 AM)Hemi Man Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 09:26 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 09:21 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  NOLA wants butts in seats and have a CUSA tie in, they want to take USM according to that logic, which you agree with.

Sounds like you'd prefer to speak out of both sides of your mouth.

NOLA is about the $$$, not the matchup. Unless ESPN stepped in and stopped them from taking USM that is exactly who an 11-1 ULL team would be playing.

That is exactly how this works and exactly how the Camellia Bowl worked this year. The only thing that trumps what the bowls want is what TV partners want.

No that's why we have a commmisioner, who's office is in New Orleans. We would have been sent elsewhere and stAte or USA would have gotten the slot or benson would have negotiated a different team to the USM slot. There are negotiations and they look at all possibilities and do what's best for the bowls and the conference...not the fans which is what I've been trying to tell you. A lot of money at stake for all involved and deals are made all the time.

You're expecting Benson to protect you? All credibility lost.


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Not protect us, protect his interest which is the conference and his interest doesn't involve an 11-1 team from his conference playing a 6-6 team from another...no matter who that 11-1 team is. The man isn't the greatest but he isn't dumb and at the very minimum he is self serving.

He sits in the corner, does what ESPN and the bowl leaders tell him to do and tell him how to spin it to the conference members, he does this, smiles and collects a check. This is reality.

(12-06-2016 09:47 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  He sits in the corner, does what ESPN and the bowl leaders tell him to do and tell him how to spin it to the conference members, he does this, smiles and collects a check. This is reality.

However you want to look so it, Nola doesn't want you ok, to them you are the fat chick that doesn't put out. No reason to take you to the dance. Meanwhile there is a guy in Alabama who wants to dance with you all night...quit bitching.