(12-02-2016 12:15 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 08:33 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  You choose to come to America. We speak English. Learn it....use it. You are not special. Where you come from is not important to us nor do we care about your heritage or customs. If I chose to move to Germany...I would learn to speak German and learn to be a GERMAN and respect its heritage and customs.

How fluent are you in Cherokee?

The ones I know speak perfect English.

(12-02-2016 12:09 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  My folks came to US in 1839. They spoke German at home until around 1918 but I have found no records at city, state, or federal level for any of them in any language other than English.

I'm not worried about immigrant communities speaking the old languages for some period of time in private life, but having government cater to it in public life is just promoting/extending civic seperatism IMO.



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Exactly. You immigrate..or..sneak across the border here? Assimilate...PERIOD...or go the fck back home.

My neighbor is a High School French language teacher. She teaches in a highly Spanish speaking neighborhood. I would say that 80% (yes, that high) of the students speak Spanish as their primary language at home.

I speculated that French, being a romance language like Spanish, was easy for the students. No. The Spanish-speaking students are not very skilled in their language. Many of their parents are illiterate. The children struggle with the basics of their home language.

My point is that these students should take a traditional English language arts curriculum and should not be taking French. They should be taking a traditional Spanish language arts program, too.

Why?

Sounding like a hillbilly in Spanish is as challenging as sounding like a hayseed in English. If they are required to take a foreign language, work with something they know.

(12-02-2016 09:43 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Exactly. You immigrate..or..sneak across the border here? Assimilate...PERIOD...or go the fck back home.

So true.

When I travel into Chicago today, do I go to Greektown? Little Italy? Chinatown? The Puerto Rican area? The German Chriskindl Market?

I mean- there is so much flavor to enjoy. How can I benefit from immigrants?

(12-02-2016 09:39 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 10:15 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 08:33 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  You choose to come to America. We speak English. Learn it....use it. You are not special. Where you come from is not important to us nor do we care about your heritage or customs. If I chose to move to Germany...I would learn to speak German and learn to be a GERMAN and respect its heritage and customs.

We did choose to come to America and we have learned English. What more do you want? We may not be special but we do know two languages where many in this country only know one.

You don't have to care about our heritage and we don't have to care about yours. That doesn't mean however that we can't celebrate our heritage. If we want to speak Spanish or eat tacos or celebrate Cinco de Mayo why should you even care?

Tell me. Why do you care?

BS Fit. You are full of it. I see these MOFOs everywhere that refuse to learn English. My wife has to hire translators at the health department for them and so does every other government agency AND the hospitals. I could care less about their damn heritage any more than I do about any other. For some reason now the NEW immigrants want to have their cake and eat it too. Fck that. They need to assimilate?... or get the fck out of here and return to what ever schithole they came from.

I care? Because it COSTS to have people that refuse to assimilate. They are a fcking burden. We have PLENTY of people already here that are a damn burden on society. We dont need more. All I ask is they get their fcking schit together and be Americans....FIRST.

Is that how it actually is or is that how you perceive it? You know their individual stories? Are they refusing to learn English or do they just not have it as a skill yet?

(12-03-2016 08:32 AM)chess Wrote:  My neighbor is a High School French language teacher. She teaches in a highly Spanish speaking neighborhood. I would say that 80% (yes, that high) of the students speak Spanish as their primary language at home.

I speculated that French, being a romance language like Spanish, was easy for the students. No. The Spanish-speaking students are not very skilled in their language. Many of their parents are illiterate. The children struggle with the basics of their home language.

My point is that these students should take a traditional English language arts curriculum and should not be taking French. They should be taking a traditional Spanish language arts program, too.

Why?

Sounding like a hillbilly in Spanish is as challenging as sounding like a hayseed in English. If they are required to take a foreign language, work with something they know.

Oh yeah, don't assume that lol. If similar languages were easy to learn, we'd all be fluent in Danish, German, and Dutch.

I agree with your post though. Poorer Spanish speaking people who come here speak at a conversational level and probably don't have families with skills that go beyond that.

I truly believe that a very large percentage of them really try to learn English. The largest continuing education program at both of my local community colleges is ESL. They're trying to assimilate in that way.

One beautiful thing about America is that we tend to pick up a good amount of new cultures by osmosis.

It is like this. A stranger walks into your house, makes camp and then demands you serve them.

I like freedom. That includes speaking whatever language you want.

(12-03-2016 05:25 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  I like freedom. That includes speaking whatever language you want.

On this subject I sort of agree. We have many immigrants from Mexico and most don't care to learn English. It's a beautiful thing to learn a different language. In the one year that I was in Thailand I tried to learn the language and the people were grateful that I at least tried. My GI buddies would take me downtown to act as their interpreter. That was funny, I wasn't THAT good.

(12-03-2016 03:04 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It is like this. A stranger walks into your house, makes camp and then demands you serve them.

and hire a translator to communicate with them.