(12-03-2016 03:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:45 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:41 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:23 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:19 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Name some players he could have brought that would have helped.

You know the transfer market this year was over 700 players... I bet like 3 of those could have been better than throwing Jake in at the 5, but what do I know.

List some bigs that would have come here on a one year rental.

750 players and we can only get 1 who has never played CBB... I feel like that just might be the definition of lack of trying.

Name one player that would have come here as good as Chad...

Haha, That is a joke right?

Does NCRDLBL1 have any eligibility?

...and the only reason they went after Chad is because the staff was asleep at the wheel regarding Nick Marshall.

It takes ZERO common sense to realize that going into a season with eight legitimate scholarship players is not the responsible thing to do as a head coach. That is borderline dereliction of duties.

(12-03-2016 04:47 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 04:43 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 04:35 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 04:32 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

Quote:Bump for 1016 who has trouble with the search feature and / or selective memory.

Not 700 then

About 20 6'8 and above.
That list can probably be cropped down further probably depending on the kids' circumstances.

Thanks for listing bigs that would know would have come here on a one year rental (sarcasm)

I cannot help the helpless.

My point is you and other folks didn't do any research. You looked at a list and spouted off. There were about 20 players on that list that could have transferred on a one year rental. Some didn't even enroll in a school, some transferred in-state and some had horrendous stats.

Instead of saying the staff didn't try (but they actually did since they got Chad and Kesse), it might be good for these posters to go over this list and then see the players we could have really gotten, were any of them better than Chad. Some it appears (the A&T transfer) might be worse than walkons.

Well, explain why Tubby recruits THREE players for 2017 all ranked 150 and above to unranked. Could see 1 but not 3. Gives us more Chads and Kergotts, etc. won't increase attendance going that route.

Don't worry, he'll "coach them up."

(12-06-2016 11:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:45 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:41 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:23 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  You know the transfer market this year was over 700 players... I bet like 3 of those could have been better than throwing Jake in at the 5, but what do I know.

List some bigs that would have come here on a one year rental.

750 players and we can only get 1 who has never played CBB... I feel like that just might be the definition of lack of trying.

Name one player that would have come here as good as Chad...

Haha, That is a joke right?

Does NCRDLBL1 have any eligibility?

...and the only reason they went after Chad is because the staff was asleep at the wheel regarding Nick Marshall.

It takes ZERO common sense to realize that going into a season with eight legitimate scholarship players is the responsible thing to do as a head coach. That is borderline dereliction of duties.

I thought we'd already covered this ground in another thread?

UNLV brought in a grad trans from St. John's very late in the summer - Christian Jones, 6-7 220, averaging 10 and 7. The kid is originally from Texas too.

And UNLV hired Menzies a week AFTER we hired Tubby.

UNLV is currently 5-2.

That dispels a few myths - that there was no one left late, that there were no "impact" players left, and that it was too late to forge relationships.

If the New Mexico State head coach can take the UNLV job a week after Tubby and pull a grad trans big man from St. John's then Tubby should've been able to do just a little bit better in his six months before the season, right?

It is what it is though - folks will see it one way or they won't.

(12-06-2016 01:06 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:02 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 05:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 05:35 PM)holyterror Wrote:  I agree wholeheartedly. But as unpredictable as officiating has become, you might be pushing a flagrant doing that.

Yeah, but you can't live in a world of hypotheticals if you're the coach.

No one la-dee-dahs down the lane.

And teach them how to foul correctly and let the cards fall where they may.

If it ever does get called a flagrant - take it up with the league office - but keep on doing what you're doing.

But you can't play soft when guys are just driving the lane all day long.

Eventually, someone has to put the opposition on the deck. And you can't give up conventional three point plays.

You don't have to destroy people going to the lane...Just take a few charges and quit trying to block shots...If you get a couple of offensive fouls guards will start pulling it back out.

Coach should make a hard and fast rule for Dedric. After 1st foul in first half, no block attempts and don't leave your feet on D. Same would apply in 2cd half with 3 fouls.

IMO, you would do harm by isolating restraints on a specific player. It seems MORE logical to adopt/incorporate a team approach based upon certain situations, as it also holds accountability for ALL. On some occasions, a guard has beat his man or successfully used a pick to drive the Lane, putting pressure on interior defenders.
We must learn how to play more intense defense as a unit to prevent our foul discrepancies....

In a 1:3:1 scenario, there are areas that allow more flexibility to take out certain offensive threats and one of those is what we REALLY struggle @ is preventing penetration.

I really loved watching Alabamas defense v Texas this past week. Although they lost the game. They successfully utilized a matchup zone that they trapped out of in the half-court. After the offense sets a screen up high, instead of switching,the guard is trapped either on the sideline or very high just outside of the three-point perimeter making it very difficult to make another pass. It creates tremendous opportunities for off-ball players to pick off an errand pass; cause a jump ball or even turnover, especially on "spread" offenses. Ole Miss did this to us l8, setting the offense far out, then penetrating to collapse our defense, then kicking out to the wing for several UNCONTESTED jumpers......GAME....SET...MATCH....when you include the easy OOB buckets coupled with l8 phantom foul situations......COME ON TUBBY...Let's go!

(12-06-2016 11:21 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 11:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:45 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:41 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  List some bigs that would have come here on a one year rental.

750 players and we can only get 1 who has never played CBB... I feel like that just might be the definition of lack of trying.

Name one player that would have come here as good as Chad...

Haha, That is a joke right?

Does NCRDLBL1 have any eligibility?

...and the only reason they went after Chad is because the staff was asleep at the wheel regarding Nick Marshall.

It takes ZERO common sense to realize that going into a season with eight legitimate scholarship players is the responsible thing to do as a head coach. That is borderline dereliction of duties.

I thought we'd already covered this ground in another thread?

UNLV brought in a grad trans from St. John's very late in the summer - Christian Jones, 6-7 220, averaging 10 and 7. The kid is originally from Texas too.

And UNLV hired Menzies a week AFTER we hired Tubby.

UNLV is currently 5-2.

That dispels a few myths - that there was no one left late, that there were no "impact" players left, and that it was too late to forge relationships.

If the New Mexico State head coach can take the UNLV job a week after Tubby and pull a grad trans big man from St. John's then Tubby should've been able to do just a little bit better in his six months before the season, right?

It is what it is though - folks will see it one way or they won't.

So 6-7 220 is essentially KJ...

(12-06-2016 12:21 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 11:21 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 11:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:45 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  750 players and we can only get 1 who has never played CBB... I feel like that just might be the definition of lack of trying.

Name one player that would have come here as good as Chad...

Haha, That is a joke right?

Does NCRDLBL1 have any eligibility?

...and the only reason they went after Chad is because the staff was asleep at the wheel regarding Nick Marshall.

It takes ZERO common sense to realize that going into a season with eight legitimate scholarship players is the responsible thing to do as a head coach. That is borderline dereliction of duties.

I thought we'd already covered this ground in another thread?

UNLV brought in a grad trans from St. John's very late in the summer - Christian Jones, 6-7 220, averaging 10 and 7. The kid is originally from Texas too.

And UNLV hired Menzies a week AFTER we hired Tubby.

UNLV is currently 5-2.

That dispels a few myths - that there was no one left late, that there were no "impact" players left, and that it was too late to forge relationships.

If the New Mexico State head coach can take the UNLV job a week after Tubby and pull a grad trans big man from St. John's then Tubby should've been able to do just a little bit better in his six months before the season, right?

It is what it is though - folks will see it one way or they won't.

So 6-7 220 is essentially KJ...

We need bigger bodies - 6'8+. From the complete list posted earlier, there were about 20 (one year rentals) that was whittled down to 17 on quick review and probably could be whittled down further. There weren't as many options as some folks claim.

(12-06-2016 12:23 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:21 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 11:21 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 11:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Name one player that would have come here as good as Chad...

Haha, That is a joke right?

Does NCRDLBL1 have any eligibility?

...and the only reason they went after Chad is because the staff was asleep at the wheel regarding Nick Marshall.

It takes ZERO common sense to realize that going into a season with eight legitimate scholarship players is the responsible thing to do as a head coach. That is borderline dereliction of duties.

I thought we'd already covered this ground in another thread?

UNLV brought in a grad trans from St. John's very late in the summer - Christian Jones, 6-7 220, averaging 10 and 7. The kid is originally from Texas too.

And UNLV hired Menzies a week AFTER we hired Tubby.

UNLV is currently 5-2.

That dispels a few myths - that there was no one left late, that there were no "impact" players left, and that it was too late to forge relationships.

If the New Mexico State head coach can take the UNLV job a week after Tubby and pull a grad trans big man from St. John's then Tubby should've been able to do just a little bit better in his six months before the season, right?

It is what it is though - folks will see it one way or they won't.

So 6-7 220 is essentially KJ...

We need bigger bodies - 6'8+. From the complete list posted earlier, there were about 20 (one year rentals) that was whittled down to 17 on quick review and probably could be whittled down further. There weren't as many options as some folks claim.

We needed more bodies, period.

(12-06-2016 12:21 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 11:21 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 11:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-03-2016 03:45 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  750 players and we can only get 1 who has never played CBB... I feel like that just might be the definition of lack of trying.

Name one player that would have come here as good as Chad...

Haha, That is a joke right?

Does NCRDLBL1 have any eligibility?

...and the only reason they went after Chad is because the staff was asleep at the wheel regarding Nick Marshall.

It takes ZERO common sense to realize that going into a season with eight legitimate scholarship players is the responsible thing to do as a head coach. That is borderline dereliction of duties.

I thought we'd already covered this ground in another thread?

UNLV brought in a grad trans from St. John's very late in the summer - Christian Jones, 6-7 220, averaging 10 and 7. The kid is originally from Texas too.

And UNLV hired Menzies a week AFTER we hired Tubby.

UNLV is currently 5-2.

That dispels a few myths - that there was no one left late, that there were no "impact" players left, and that it was too late to forge relationships.

If the New Mexico State head coach can take the UNLV job a week after Tubby and pull a grad trans big man from St. John's then Tubby should've been able to do just a little bit better in his six months before the season, right?

It is what it is though - folks will see it one way or they won't.

So 6-7 220 is essentially KJ...

Some 220s are different than other 220s.

(12-06-2016 12:17 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:06 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:02 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 05:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 05:35 PM)holyterror Wrote:  I agree wholeheartedly. But as unpredictable as officiating has become, you might be pushing a flagrant doing that.

Yeah, but you can't live in a world of hypotheticals if you're the coach.

No one la-dee-dahs down the lane.

And teach them how to foul correctly and let the cards fall where they may.

If it ever does get called a flagrant - take it up with the league office - but keep on doing what you're doing.

But you can't play soft when guys are just driving the lane all day long.

Eventually, someone has to put the opposition on the deck. And you can't give up conventional three point plays.

You don't have to destroy people going to the lane...Just take a few charges and quit trying to block shots...If you get a couple of offensive fouls guards will start pulling it back out.

Coach should make a hard and fast rule for Dedric. After 1st foul in first half, no block attempts and don't leave your feet on D. Same would apply in 2cd half with 3 fouls.

IMO, you would do harm by isolating restraints on a specific player. It seems MORE logical to adopt/incorporate a team approach based upon certain situations, as it also holds accountability for ALL. On some occasions, a guard has beat his man or successfully used a pick to drive the Lane, putting pressure on interior defenders.
We must learn how to play more intense defense as a unit to prevent our foul discrepancies....

In a 1:3:1 scenario, there are areas that allow more flexibility to take out certain offensive threats and one of those is what we REALLY struggle @ is preventing penetration.

I really loved watching Alabamas defense v Texas this past week. Although they lost the game. They successfully utilized a matchup zone that they trapped out of in the half-court. After the offense sets a screen up high, instead of switching,the guard is trapped either on the sideline or very high just outside of the three-point perimeter making it very difficult to make another pass. It creates tremendous opportunities for off-ball players to pick off an errand pass; cause a jump ball or even turnover, especially on "spread" offenses. Ole Miss did this to us l8, setting the offense far out, then penetrating to collapse our defense, then kicking out to the wing for several UNCONTESTED jumpers......GAME....SET...MATCH....when you include the easy OOB buckets coupled with l8 phantom foul situations......COME ON TUBBY...Let's go!

That's your opinion but HOF coaches use that strategy.

(12-04-2016 11:59 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(12-04-2016 10:29 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Mississippi shot 33 free throws; Memphis shot 29.

Someone earlier was blaming the loss on the refs and free throw disparity.

When we were up 5, Ole Miss went on a 20-5 run. 13 of those points were on FTs. Game flow matters.

I didn't even see the game, saw the post you quoted, and that was the FIRST thing I thought of. Seen it so many times. The refs start calling make-up calls at the end to make it look even, but the damage is already done.

(12-06-2016 12:28 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:17 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:06 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:02 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 05:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Yeah, but you can't live in a world of hypotheticals if you're the coach.

No one la-dee-dahs down the lane.

And teach them how to foul correctly and let the cards fall where they may.

If it ever does get called a flagrant - take it up with the league office - but keep on doing what you're doing.

But you can't play soft when guys are just driving the lane all day long.

Eventually, someone has to put the opposition on the deck. And you can't give up conventional three point plays.

You don't have to destroy people going to the lane...Just take a few charges and quit trying to block shots...If you get a couple of offensive fouls guards will start pulling it back out.

Coach should make a hard and fast rule for Dedric. After 1st foul in first half, no block attempts and don't leave your feet on D. Same would apply in 2cd half with 3 fouls.

IMO, you would do harm by isolating restraints on a specific player. It seems MORE logical to adopt/incorporate a team approach based upon certain situations, as it also holds accountability for ALL. On some occasions, a guard has beat his man or successfully used a pick to drive the Lane, putting pressure on interior defenders.
We must learn how to play more intense defense as a unit to prevent our foul discrepancies....

In a 1:3:1 scenario, there are areas that allow more flexibility to take out certain offensive threats and one of those is what we REALLY struggle @ is preventing penetration.

I really loved watching Alabamas defense v Texas this past week. Although they lost the game. They successfully utilized a matchup zone that they trapped out of in the half-court. After the offense sets a screen up high, instead of switching,the guard is trapped either on the sideline or very high just outside of the three-point perimeter making it very difficult to make another pass. It creates tremendous opportunities for off-ball players to pick off an errand pass; cause a jump ball or even turnover, especially on "spread" offenses. Ole Miss did this to us l8, setting the offense far out, then penetrating to collapse our defense, then kicking out to the wing for several UNCONTESTED jumpers......GAME....SET...MATCH....when you include the easy OOB buckets coupled with l8 phantom foul situations......COME ON TUBBY...Let's go!

That's your opinion but HOF coaches use that strategy.

Noted! University of Memphis has a Hall of Fame coach NOT using that strategy! And our defensive lapses are NOT on one player. It's the teams lapses, totally repudiating that philosophy.

(12-06-2016 12:51 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:28 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:17 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:06 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:02 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  You don't have to destroy people going to the lane...Just take a few charges and quit trying to block shots...If you get a couple of offensive fouls guards will start pulling it back out.

Coach should make a hard and fast rule for Dedric. After 1st foul in first half, no block attempts and don't leave your feet on D. Same would apply in 2cd half with 3 fouls.

IMO, you would do harm by isolating restraints on a specific player. It seems MORE logical to adopt/incorporate a team approach based upon certain situations, as it also holds accountability for ALL. On some occasions, a guard has beat his man or successfully used a pick to drive the Lane, putting pressure on interior defenders.
We must learn how to play more intense defense as a unit to prevent our foul discrepancies....

In a 1:3:1 scenario, there are areas that allow more flexibility to take out certain offensive threats and one of those is what we REALLY struggle @ is preventing penetration.

I really loved watching Alabamas defense v Texas this past week. Although they lost the game. They successfully utilized a matchup zone that they trapped out of in the half-court. After the offense sets a screen up high, instead of switching,the guard is trapped either on the sideline or very high just outside of the three-point perimeter making it very difficult to make another pass. It creates tremendous opportunities for off-ball players to pick off an errand pass; cause a jump ball or even turnover, especially on "spread" offenses. Ole Miss did this to us l8, setting the offense far out, then penetrating to collapse our defense, then kicking out to the wing for several UNCONTESTED jumpers......GAME....SET...MATCH....when you include the easy OOB buckets coupled with l8 phantom foul situations......COME ON TUBBY...Let's go!

That's your opinion but HOF coaches use that strategy.

Noted! University of Memphis has a Hall of Fame coach NOT using that strategy! And our defensive lapses are NOT on one player. It's the teams lapses, totally repudiating that philosophy.

I agree and I posted that BUT if Dedric get in foul trouble and sits on the bench, we are very likely to lose the game, right?

Defense hasn't looked good for a while now...kind of disappointed as I thought it was a strong suit of Tubby.

(12-06-2016 12:53 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:51 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:28 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:17 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:06 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Coach should make a hard and fast rule for Dedric. After 1st foul in first half, no block attempts and don't leave your feet on D. Same would apply in 2cd half with 3 fouls.

IMO, you would do harm by isolating restraints on a specific player. It seems MORE logical to adopt/incorporate a team approach based upon certain situations, as it also holds accountability for ALL. On some occasions, a guard has beat his man or successfully used a pick to drive the Lane, putting pressure on interior defenders.
We must learn how to play more intense defense as a unit to prevent our foul discrepancies....

In a 1:3:1 scenario, there are areas that allow more flexibility to take out certain offensive threats and one of those is what we REALLY struggle @ is preventing penetration.

I really loved watching Alabamas defense v Texas this past week. Although they lost the game. They successfully utilized a matchup zone that they trapped out of in the half-court. After the offense sets a screen up high, instead of switching,the guard is trapped either on the sideline or very high just outside of the three-point perimeter making it very difficult to make another pass. It creates tremendous opportunities for off-ball players to pick off an errand pass; cause a jump ball or even turnover, especially on "spread" offenses. Ole Miss did this to us l8, setting the offense far out, then penetrating to collapse our defense, then kicking out to the wing for several UNCONTESTED jumpers......GAME....SET...MATCH....when you include the easy OOB buckets coupled with l8 phantom foul situations......COME ON TUBBY...Let's go!

That's your opinion but HOF coaches use that strategy.

Noted! University of Memphis has a Hall of Fame coach NOT using that strategy! And our defensive lapses are NOT on one player. It's the teams lapses, totally repudiating that philosophy.

I agree and I posted that BUT if Dedric get in foul trouble and sits on the bench, we are very likely to lose the game, right?

Definitely! Take the pressure off off the interior by going zone, instead of forcing him to play timid or taking him off of the court. The drawback is maybe there will be more open shots from perimeter, but I think it's give and take. You can also put more length on the perimeter to thwart that. We have length that could be very effective in 1:3:1 matchup....if they miss the jumper, grab the long rebounds and cram it back down there throats.....We must simplify the game because of our youth, but if I'm Tubby, I'm not going to allow fouls to force me to take our impact players out of the game. One, because our impact players are THE BEST in the country! Two, because the drop off of reserves in a HUGE disparity.....we have very limited post players....

Going to a ZONE IS MUST in this scenario, that should be OUR strength, as it would hide our weaknesses, making us STRONGER! JMO.....Preci8 the convo

(12-06-2016 12:26 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:23 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:21 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 11:21 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 11:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Haha, That is a joke right?

Does NCRDLBL1 have any eligibility?

...and the only reason they went after Chad is because the staff was asleep at the wheel regarding Nick Marshall.

It takes ZERO common sense to realize that going into a season with eight legitimate scholarship players is the responsible thing to do as a head coach. That is borderline dereliction of duties.

I thought we'd already covered this ground in another thread?

UNLV brought in a grad trans from St. John's very late in the summer - Christian Jones, 6-7 220, averaging 10 and 7. The kid is originally from Texas too.

And UNLV hired Menzies a week AFTER we hired Tubby.

UNLV is currently 5-2.

That dispels a few myths - that there was no one left late, that there were no "impact" players left, and that it was too late to forge relationships.

If the New Mexico State head coach can take the UNLV job a week after Tubby and pull a grad trans big man from St. John's then Tubby should've been able to do just a little bit better in his six months before the season, right?

It is what it is though - folks will see it one way or they won't.

So 6-7 220 is essentially KJ...

We need bigger bodies - 6'8+. From the complete list posted earlier, there were about 20 (one year rentals) that was whittled down to 17 on quick review and probably could be whittled down further. There weren't as many options as some folks claim.

We needed more bodies, period.

Disagree...we needed bigger bodies on a one year rental. We have players at 1-4 that can play if there's foul trouble. At the 5, we are screwed currently.

(12-06-2016 01:08 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:26 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:23 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:21 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 11:21 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I thought we'd already covered this ground in another thread?

UNLV brought in a grad trans from St. John's very late in the summer - Christian Jones, 6-7 220, averaging 10 and 7. The kid is originally from Texas too.

And UNLV hired Menzies a week AFTER we hired Tubby.

UNLV is currently 5-2.

That dispels a few myths - that there was no one left late, that there were no "impact" players left, and that it was too late to forge relationships.

If the New Mexico State head coach can take the UNLV job a week after Tubby and pull a grad trans big man from St. John's then Tubby should've been able to do just a little bit better in his six months before the season, right?

It is what it is though - folks will see it one way or they won't.

So 6-7 220 is essentially KJ...

We need bigger bodies - 6'8+. From the complete list posted earlier, there were about 20 (one year rentals) that was whittled down to 17 on quick review and probably could be whittled down further. There weren't as many options as some folks claim.

We needed more bodies, period.

Disagree...we needed bigger bodies on a one year rental. We have players at 1-4 that can play if there's foul trouble. At the 5, we are screwed currently.

We needed a ball handling PG to help ease Martin into that spot and a serviceable big to add to rotation. Two more players. maybe Kesee will grow into that role but i don't see ball handling skills at this point.