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These are the guys that Zohn Burden is linked to at VT

https://247sports.com/player/armani-chatman-86256
https://247sports.com/player/keshon-artis-88658
https://247sports.com/player/jaevon-becton-91000
https://247sports.com/player/caleb-steward-46039455

ODU had offered each of the first 3 guys who are all from the 757 and 3* recruits...

I still think losing Zohn hurt more than people realize, especially in recruiting.

Zohn was a 757 guy, we need to take advantage of 757 coaches to recruit these kids

I think that whole school of thought is, frankly, off base. Whether it is ZB or anyone else at Tech, as a rule we are going to lose every recruiting battle with the Hokies. That's just the nature of the game right now. Could there be an exception to the rule? Of Course. Could the rule change over time? I certainly hope so. But the fact is, we are not going to out recruit VT in the current environment.

(02-08-2018 10:57 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  I think that whole school of thought is, frankly, off base. Whether it is ZB or anyone else at Tech, as a rule we are going to lose every recruiting battle with the Hokies. That's just the nature of the game right now. Could there be an exception to the rule? Of Course. Could the rule change over time? I certainly hope so. But the fact is, we are not going to out recruit VT in the current environment.

A USM fan posted on the main board a list of 20+ P5 schools they beat for recruits. What do they have that we don't?

(02-08-2018 11:07 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:57 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  I think that whole school of thought is, frankly, off base. Whether it is ZB or anyone else at Tech, as a rule we are going to lose every recruiting battle with the Hokies. That's just the nature of the game right now. Could there be an exception to the rule? Of Course. Could the rule change over time? I certainly hope so. But the fact is, we are not going to out recruit VT in the current environment.

A USM fan posted on the main board a list of 20+ P5 schools they beat for recruits. What do they have that we don't?

An FBS Stadium for starts.

(02-08-2018 11:07 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:57 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  I think that whole school of thought is, frankly, off base. Whether it is ZB or anyone else at Tech, as a rule we are going to lose every recruiting battle with the Hokies. That's just the nature of the game right now. Could there be an exception to the rule? Of Course. Could the rule change over time? I certainly hope so. But the fact is, we are not going to out recruit VT in the current environment.

A USM fan posted on the main board a list of 20+ P5 schools they beat for recruits. What do they have that we don't?

Im not sure the answer. I know there are kids every year that have offers from P5 and come to ODU. Obviously, its the exception and not the norm. Should we publicize it more? This is something that 247sports doesn't always pick up on.

The other thing to remember is a lot of these P5 offers that signed from G5 schools were fallback options that the schools put out just in case their real targest go elsewhere.

(02-08-2018 11:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:07 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:57 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  I think that whole school of thought is, frankly, off base. Whether it is ZB or anyone else at Tech, as a rule we are going to lose every recruiting battle with the Hokies. That's just the nature of the game right now. Could there be an exception to the rule? Of Course. Could the rule change over time? I certainly hope so. But the fact is, we are not going to out recruit VT in the current environment.

A USM fan posted on the main board a list of 20+ P5 schools they beat for recruits. What do they have that we don't?

Im not sure the answer. I know there are kids every year that have offers from P5 and come to ODU. Obviously, its the exception and not the norm. Should we publicize it more? This is something that 247sports doesn't always pick up on.

The other thing to remember is a lot of these P5 offers that signed from G5 schools were fallback options that the schools put out just in case their real targest go elsewhere.

Agreed. And some of those P5 offers were likely rescinded before they committed to the G5 school. But the rankings don't look good by any measure.

(02-08-2018 11:14 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:07 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:57 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  I think that whole school of thought is, frankly, off base. Whether it is ZB or anyone else at Tech, as a rule we are going to lose every recruiting battle with the Hokies. That's just the nature of the game right now. Could there be an exception to the rule? Of Course. Could the rule change over time? I certainly hope so. But the fact is, we are not going to out recruit VT in the current environment.

A USM fan posted on the main board a list of 20+ P5 schools they beat for recruits. What do they have that we don't?

Im not sure the answer. I know there are kids every year that have offers from P5 and come to ODU. Obviously, its the exception and not the norm. Should we publicize it more? This is something that 247sports doesn't always pick up on.

The other thing to remember is a lot of these P5 offers that signed from G5 schools were fallback options that the schools put out just in case their real targest go elsewhere.

Agreed. And some of those P5 offers were likely rescinded before they committed to the G5 school. But the rankings don't look good by any measure.

And I don't know if we tend to take guys that are raw and grow them or what. I do know the most success we've had have been guys that were rated 2 star and below.

For example, our 2016 class... I don't think the top 6 ranked guys have seen the field more than a handful of snaps..(Ellison, Arnold, Garner, Joyner, McCluney, Priester) Meanwhile, Storment, Blue, Young, Lawson, Weaver, Cate, Ross are lower ranked guys and either full-time starters or significant contributors as freshman. Pretty consistent with 2015 (except for Fox) and 2014 except for Lawry. It just gives me pause to put too much weight into it....guys like Lowe, Little, Reynolds are ranked higher than DuHart and Fulgham.

(02-08-2018 11:24 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:14 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:07 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:57 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  I think that whole school of thought is, frankly, off base. Whether it is ZB or anyone else at Tech, as a rule we are going to lose every recruiting battle with the Hokies. That's just the nature of the game right now. Could there be an exception to the rule? Of Course. Could the rule change over time? I certainly hope so. But the fact is, we are not going to out recruit VT in the current environment.

A USM fan posted on the main board a list of 20+ P5 schools they beat for recruits. What do they have that we don't?

Im not sure the answer. I know there are kids every year that have offers from P5 and come to ODU. Obviously, its the exception and not the norm. Should we publicize it more? This is something that 247sports doesn't always pick up on.

The other thing to remember is a lot of these P5 offers that signed from G5 schools were fallback options that the schools put out just in case their real targest go elsewhere.

Agreed. And some of those P5 offers were likely rescinded before they committed to the G5 school. But the rankings don't look good by any measure.

And I don't know if we tend to take guys that are raw and grow them or what. I do know the most success we've had have been guys that were rated 2 star and below.

For example, our 2016 class... I don't think the top 6 ranked guys have seen the field more than a handful of snaps..(Ellison, Arnold, Garner, Joyner, McCluney, Priester) Meanwhile, Storment, Blue, Young, Lawson, Weaver, Cate, Ross are lower ranked guys and either full-time starters or significant contributors as freshman. Pretty consistent with 2015 (except for Fox) and 2014 except for Lawry. It just gives me pause to put too much weight into it....guys like Lowe, Little, Reynolds are ranked higher than DuHart and Fulgham.

The ratings are also probably inflated in the statewide hotbeds like Texas, Louisiana, Georgia and Florida. Rating services know those states churn out talent, whereas we get a lot of recruits from lesser recruited areas. Then throw in the offer sheets that inflate the ratings and you see why we never fare that well in the crootin' rankings.

But until we start beating better teams consistently (and don't get blown out in losses), many will point to these rankings.

I'll note that I plan on withholding any more judgement on these classes until we see how SW progresses.

I will add that it seems like Malone is getting it done on the oline. Think we will continue to see improvement there.

(02-08-2018 09:37 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  This whole conversation is starting to sound a lot like the JJ basketball discussion.

(02-08-2018 10:57 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  I think that whole school of thought is, frankly, off base. Whether it is ZB or anyone else at Tech, as a rule we are going to lose every recruiting battle with the Hokies. That's just the nature of the game right now. Could there be an exception to the rule? Of Course. Could the rule change over time? I certainly hope so. But the fact is, we are not going to out recruit VT in the current environment.

As much as it pains me to say it, Tech is on a roll in recent...decades? It's not just G5 and ODU that are losing out to them.

I noticed the Pilot had their top 50 local recruits listed in the paper this morning. Didn't see ODU's name by any of them fwiw.

(02-08-2018 01:08 PM)mac Wrote:  I noticed the Pilot had their top 50 local recruits listed in the paper this morning. Didn't see ODU's name by any of them fwiw.

That's so 3 pages ago. =]

(02-08-2018 09:49 AM)FearTheLion Wrote:  And university branding discussion.
And game atmosphere discussion.
And crap stadium discussion.

And __________ discussion.

What coach gets fired after signing day discussion? Fired Friday is tomorrow.

(02-08-2018 01:54 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 09:49 AM)FearTheLion Wrote:  And university branding discussion.
And game atmosphere discussion.
And crap stadium discussion.

And __________ discussion.

What coach gets fired after signing day discussion? Fired Friday is tomorrow.

Of course according to this site, all coaches that fail to recruit from the 757.

Whether you believe the ratings or not, 125th in the nation and 13th in C-USA looks pretty bad.

(02-08-2018 03:09 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Whether you believe the ratings or not, 125th in the nation and 13th in C-USA looks pretty bad.

Imagine if we didnt get Davis. Im tired of people defending BW. Is he really getting it done on or off the field? Do we really need to hold on to him until we have a 2-10 season.

(02-08-2018 03:11 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 03:09 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Whether you believe the ratings or not, 125th in the nation and 13th in C-USA looks pretty bad.

Imagine if we didnt get Davis. Im tired of people defending BW. Is he really getting it done on or off the field? Do we really need to hold on to him until we have a 2-10 season.

I think you do. The guy has been awesome for ODU by all accounts so far. He built the program, he raised it to one of the best in FCS and was the most successful startup ever. He transitioned us to FBS and got ODU to its first bowl win. Those are all very impressive things. I understand that with the recruiting woes, tough scheduling and lack of stadium, its not too hard to see what might be coming down the pike. But BW has earned the right to succeed or fail by his success on the field, not what might be. He's only had 2 losing seasons ever, and they were 5 win seasons. If we tank this coming season then I think its appropriate to talk about his seat being hot. Personally, I think he gets at least two more seasons to get us back to a bowl game.

And FWIW, I saw 120th and 11th in CUSA yesterday. Did that change?

We should probably start a thread for firing coaches.

(02-08-2018 03:11 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 03:09 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Whether you believe the ratings or not, 125th in the nation and 13th in C-USA looks pretty bad.

Imagine if we didnt get Davis. Im tired of people defending BW. Is he really getting it done on or off the field? Do we really need to hold on to him until we have a 2-10 season.

I know people have been blaming the stadium, but these kids seem to be posting pics of the phase 2 renderings, so can’t be that. At this point we have to at least question the performance of bw. I get concerned when he just harps on how tall everyone signing is. I really think that 80 to 20 loss to unc did more damage than we realize. And now it’s more about not getting the doors blown off vs. actually competing to win.