I read this board today around noon and there were numerous posts from Dio and now they're all gone. What's the deal? I wanted to respond to a couple of them but didn't have the time at the moment.

Anyway, Dio, Wry, or anyone else: I have always been totally facinated with the Civil War but never had the time to dig deeper into what I already know. I was wondering if you guys had any suggestions for further reading. I would be mainly interested in some type of definitive work(s) on the subject. I was at my local Borders the other day and there is a plethora of material. I am just not sure which work to choose. I'd love a recommendation.

I read this board today around noon and there were numerous posts from Dio and now they're all gone. What's the deal? I wanted to respond to a couple of them but didn't have the time at the moment.

Anyway, Dio, Wry, or anyone else: I have always been totally facinated with the Civil War but never had the time to dig deeper into what I already know. I was wondering if you guys had any suggestions for further reading. I would be mainly interested in some type of definitive work(s) on the subject. I was at my local Borders the other day and there is a plethora of material. I am just not sure which work to choose. I'd love a recommendation.

joebordenrebel Wrote:And what a cowinkidink. . .guess who's reading this post at the same time as yours truly. . .

Hey, Di[ld]o! Man, you really are obsessed with us, aren't you? Weren't you the one yelling about how happy you were on the old board because you had run us off?

So now that you've succeeded, go back and play with yourself, geek breath. :wave:

Based on your 2 posts in this thread(and others that I've read) one might conclude that you are obsessed with Dio, just as he is obsessed with this board.

joebordenrebel Wrote:And what a cowinkidink. . .guess who's reading this post at the same time as yours truly. . .

Hey, Di[ld]o! Man, you really are obsessed with us, aren't you? Weren't you the one yelling about how happy you were on the old board because you had run us off?

So now that you've succeeded, go back and play with yourself, geek breath. :wave:

Based on your 2 posts in this thread(and others that I've read) one might conclude that you are obsessed with Dio, just as he is obsessed with this board.

joebordenrebel Wrote:And what a cowinkidink. . .guess who's reading this post at the same time as yours truly. . .

Hey, Di[ld]o! Man, you really are obsessed with us, aren't you? Weren't you the one yelling about how happy you were on the old board because you had run us off?

So now that you've succeeded, go back and play with yourself, geek breath. :wave:

Based on your 2 posts in this thread(and others that I've read) one might conclude that you are obsessed with Dio, just as he is obsessed with this board.

EricBlairReb Wrote:I read this board today around noon and there were numerous posts from Dio and now they're all gone. What's the deal? I wanted to respond to a couple of them but didn't have the time at the moment.

Anyway, Dio, Wry, or anyone else: I have always been totally facinated with the Civil War but never had the time to dig deeper into what I already know. I was wondering if you guys had any suggestions for further reading. I would be mainly interested in some type of definitive work(s) on the subject. I was at my local Borders the other day and there is a plethora of material. I am just not sure which work to choose. I'd love a recommendation.

There are two works that I could recommend for really in-depth detail about the war. The first is Douglas Southall Freeman's Lee's Lieutenants. The other is Battles and Leaders. These are multi-volume works. (I would have underlined the titles but this damned computer keeps giving me some crazy pop up screen and I can't access that function because of it). For a more general work, anything by Shelby Foote and Bruce Catton would be well worth your while.

Battles and Leaders is a particularly interesting set of volumes, because it is a collection of articles about the war written between about 1870 and 1900 by the men who fought it. Freeman's work is the definitive work about the officers and battles of Army of Northern Virginia, but it doesn't give much information about the Army of the Tennessee.

There are many good works out there about individual battles and commanders. There is one book about Nathan Bedford Forrest titled That Devil Forrest that I found to be very informative.

As for myself, when I was a child I was given a book simply called the Civil War. It had maps of the major battles and a chronological description of the progress and main events of the war. It was my primer. It is still useful today. I think it is now in reprint, but the maps are extremely useful because they are laid out so that even a child can understand them.

EricBlairReb Wrote:I read this board today around noon and there were numerous posts from Dio and now they're all gone. What's the deal? I wanted to respond to a couple of them but didn't have the time at the moment.

Anyway, Dio, Wry, or anyone else: I have always been totally facinated with the Civil War but never had the time to dig deeper into what I already know. I was wondering if you guys had any suggestions for further reading. I would be mainly interested in some type of definitive work(s) on the subject. I was at my local Borders the other day and there is a plethora of material. I am just not sure which work to choose. I'd love a recommendation.

There are two works that I could recommend for really in-depth detail about the war. The first is Douglas Southall Freeman's Lee's Lieutenants. The other is Battles and Leaders. These are multi-volume works. (I would have underlined the titles but this damned computer keeps giving me some crazy pop up screen and I can't access that function because of it). For a more general work, anything by Shelby Foote and Bruce Catton would be well worth your while.

Battles and Leaders is a particularly interesting set of volumes, because it is a collection of articles about the war written between about 1870 and 1900 by the men who fought it. Freeman's work is the definitive work about the officers and battles of Army of Northern Virginia, but it doesn't give much information about the Army of the Tennessee.

There are many good works out there about individual battles and commanders. There is one book about Nathan Bedford Forrest titled That Devil Forrest that I found to be very informative.

As for myself, when I was a child I was given a book simply called the Civil War. It had maps of the major battles and a chronological description of the progress and main events of the war. It was my primer. It is still useful today. I think it is now in reprint, but the maps are extremely useful because they are laid out so that even a child can understand them.

EricBlairReb Wrote:I read this board today around noon and there were numerous posts from Dio and now they're all gone. What's the deal? I wanted to respond to a couple of them but didn't have the time at the moment.

Anyway, Dio, Wry, or anyone else: I have always been totally facinated with the Civil War but never had the time to dig deeper into what I already know. I was wondering if you guys had any suggestions for further reading. I would be mainly interested in some type of definitive work(s) on the subject. I was at my local Borders the other day and there is a plethora of material. I am just not sure which work to choose. I'd love a recommendation.

There are two works that I could recommend for really in-depth detail about the war. The first is Douglas Southall Freeman's Lee's Lieutenants. The other is Battles and Leaders. These are multi-volume works. (I would have underlined the titles but this damned computer keeps giving me some crazy pop up screen and I can't access that function because of it). For a more general work, anything by Shelby Foote and Bruce Catton would be well worth your while.

Battles and Leaders is a particularly interesting set of volumes, because it is a collection of articles about the war written between about 1870 and 1900 by the men who fought it. Freeman's work is the definitive work about the officers and battles of Army of Northern Virginia, but it doesn't give much information about the Army of the Tennessee.

There are many good works out there about individual battles and commanders. There is one book about Nathan Bedford Forrest titled That Devil Forrest that I found to be very informative.

As for myself, when I was a child I was given a book simply called the Civil War. It had maps of the major battles and a chronological description of the progress and main events of the war. It was my primer. It is still useful today. I think it is now in reprint, but the maps are extremely useful because they are laid out so that even a child can understand them.

[quote="Dorothy Parker"]

Wiz, you really ought to see it.

[quote="Dorothy Parker"]

Wiz, you really ought to see it.

Wryword2 Wrote:The movie was surprisingly sympathetic to the South, and I amsure this is what turned the critics off about the movie.

...because the critics are most likely students of revisionist history.


....oh yeah, the actor that played Gen. Thomas Jackson was also Ike Clanton in Tombstone.

Wryword2 Wrote:The movie was surprisingly sympathetic to the South, and I amsure this is what turned the critics off about the movie.

...because the critics are most likely students of revisionist history.


....oh yeah, the actor that played Gen. Thomas Jackson was also Ike Clanton in Tombstone.

Wryword Wrote:There are two works that I could recommend for really in-depth detail about the war.  The first is Douglas Southall Freeman's Lee's Lieutenants.  The other is Battles and Leaders.  These are multi-volume works.  (I would have underlined the titles but this damned computer keeps giving me some crazy pop up screen and I can't access that function because of it).  For a more general work, anything by Shelby Foote and Bruce Catton would be well worth your while. 

Thanks dude,
I looked for Catton's books but the first one in his trilogy, "Mr. Lincoln's Army", seems to be out of print. I opted for the Foote trilogy instead. I am familiar with his works through a PBS series I watched on television years ago.

I figure my initial approach to the Civil War will be general and once digested, maybe I'll delve into the specific battles and personalities involved. No doubt there is a great breadth of material out there. Thank you again for the suggestions.

Wryword Wrote:There are two works that I could recommend for really in-depth detail about the war.  The first is Douglas Southall Freeman's Lee's Lieutenants.  The other is Battles and Leaders.  These are multi-volume works.  (I would have underlined the titles but this damned computer keeps giving me some crazy pop up screen and I can't access that function because of it).  For a more general work, anything by Shelby Foote and Bruce Catton would be well worth your while. 

Thanks dude,
I looked for Catton's books but the first one in his trilogy, "Mr. Lincoln's Army", seems to be out of print. I opted for the Foote trilogy instead. I am familiar with his works through a PBS series I watched on television years ago.

I figure my initial approach to the Civil War will be general and once digested, maybe I'll delve into the specific battles and personalities involved. No doubt there is a great breadth of material out there. Thank you again for the suggestions.

Orwell,

Check out these titles after you read the best Civil War fiction writer out there, Shelby Foote.

1. Attack and Die--McWhiney and Jamieson. This book is about Civil War tactics as practiced by both the Northern and Southern military minds. It talks about and explores the changes in weaponry. Most importantly, though, it shows how reckless some military commanders were, namely Hood, Lee, Buell, and Grant.

2. For Cause and Comrades: Why Soldiers Fought in the Civil War--James McPherson. This book explores soldiers' letters written to family left behind. It explores the psychology of the front line soldier during those trying years. One thing McPherson examines quite well is the Southern soldiers' contradiction and that was, most Rebel soldiers claimed in 1861 that they were going to fight to protect their homes, their families, their states. As the war was carried out, leaving their homes only made them susceptible to Yankee armies coming in their wake. By 1863 hordes of Rebel soldiers fled the front lines to go home and protect their wives and daughters. The book is short and it is an easy read.

3. Rebel Private--Bill Fletcher. This book is a primary source memoir of the war as experienced by a Rebel private from Texas. He talks about why he joined the CSA, why he left home, and he offers some unique perspectives on the political causes of the war. This book is a must for anyone reading about the CW. It is told in story book fashion and uncovers exactly what the "elephant" was like for one Texas private.

4. Battle Cry of Freedom--J. McPherson. This epic length book examines the prelude to war, starting as early as 1808 when the slave trade was abolished in this country. It continues until the surrender at Appomatox. It leaves no stone unturned and is the most conclusive work on the CW to my knowledge. Juxtapose this book and its scholarly findings with Shelby Foote's fiction.

5. After Secession: Jeff Davis and the Failure of Confederate Nationalism--Paul Escott. Another short read that explores why the South did not suceed in their secession movement. Escott critically examines Jeff Davis and his policies, and the reasons Davis' policies were a failure. Escott also examines the dis-unity of the secession movement. Did you know that most Southern states did not turn the issue of secession over to the voters of their states? Most southern politicrats circa 1861 merely seceded without popular support. States most affected by Unionists were, of course, Missouri, Arkansas, East Tennessee, North Carolina, and the western counties of Virginia. Did you now that some counties in the Confederacy organized their own militias in order to repel Confederate authorities from coming into their counties. The book does much to dispel the theory that the South was united from 1860-1865, and it dispels the myth that the war was 'between the states'. No, actually it was a civil war in all sense of the term.

This should keep you busy for now. I expect a full report on these title by this time next week, so you better get crackin', cracka!

email me at buckethead22000@yahoo.com if you want a more extensive reading list.

Orwell,

Check out these titles after you read the best Civil War fiction writer out there, Shelby Foote.

1. Attack and Die--McWhiney and Jamieson. This book is about Civil War tactics as practiced by both the Northern and Southern military minds. It talks about and explores the changes in weaponry. Most importantly, though, it shows how reckless some military commanders were, namely Hood, Lee, Buell, and Grant.

2. For Cause and Comrades: Why Soldiers Fought in the Civil War--James McPherson. This book explores soldiers' letters written to family left behind. It explores the psychology of the front line soldier during those trying years. One thing McPherson examines quite well is the Southern soldiers' contradiction and that was, most Rebel soldiers claimed in 1861 that they were going to fight to protect their homes, their families, their states. As the war was carried out, leaving their homes only made them susceptible to Yankee armies coming in their wake. By 1863 hordes of Rebel soldiers fled the front lines to go home and protect their wives and daughters. The book is short and it is an easy read.

3. Rebel Private--Bill Fletcher. This book is a primary source memoir of the war as experienced by a Rebel private from Texas. He talks about why he joined the CSA, why he left home, and he offers some unique perspectives on the political causes of the war. This book is a must for anyone reading about the CW. It is told in story book fashion and uncovers exactly what the "elephant" was like for one Texas private.

4. Battle Cry of Freedom--J. McPherson. This epic length book examines the prelude to war, starting as early as 1808 when the slave trade was abolished in this country. It continues until the surrender at Appomatox. It leaves no stone unturned and is the most conclusive work on the CW to my knowledge. Juxtapose this book and its scholarly findings with Shelby Foote's fiction.

5. After Secession: Jeff Davis and the Failure of Confederate Nationalism--Paul Escott. Another short read that explores why the South did not suceed in their secession movement. Escott critically examines Jeff Davis and his policies, and the reasons Davis' policies were a failure. Escott also examines the dis-unity of the secession movement. Did you know that most Southern states did not turn the issue of secession over to the voters of their states? Most southern politicrats circa 1861 merely seceded without popular support. States most affected by Unionists were, of course, Missouri, Arkansas, East Tennessee, North Carolina, and the western counties of Virginia. Did you now that some counties in the Confederacy organized their own militias in order to repel Confederate authorities from coming into their counties. The book does much to dispel the theory that the South was united from 1860-1865, and it dispels the myth that the war was 'between the states'. No, actually it was a civil war in all sense of the term.

This should keep you busy for now. I expect a full report on these title by this time next week, so you better get crackin', cracka!

email me at buckethead22000@yahoo.com if you want a more extensive reading list.

Congratulations on figuring out my handle.

Thank you, as well, on the reading recommendations. As I said above, my approach, at first, will be of a general nature. Once digested, I'll move on to some of the intricacies surrounding the war. Your suggestions seem to reflect that aspect.

You're correct on the amount of reading keeping me tied up for awhile. I think, given today's performance in Memphis, I'll be able to devote more time to that instead of OM football. Man, we ain't gonna win JACK this year and that's fo'sho. Who knows, the Saints will probably get thumped tomorrow too and due to that, I'll be able to give up Sundays to the War also. :crying:

Layta

KlutzDio I Wrote:Orwell,

Check out these titles after you read the best Civil War fiction writer out there, Shelby Foote.

1. Attack and Die--McWhiney and Jamieson. This book is about Civil War tactics as practiced by both the Northern and Southern military minds. It talks about and explores the changes in weaponry. Most importantly, though, it shows how reckless some military commanders were, namely Hood, Lee, Buell, and Grant.

2. For Cause and Comrades: Why Soldiers Fought in the Civil War--James McPherson. This book explores soldiers' letters written to family left behind. It explores the psychology of the front line soldier during those trying years. One thing McPherson examines quite well is the Southern soldiers' contradiction and that was, most Rebel soldiers claimed in 1861 that they were going to fight to protect their homes, their families, their states. As the war was carried out, leaving their homes only made them susceptible to Yankee armies coming in their wake. By 1863 hordes of Rebel soldiers fled the front lines to go home and protect their wives and daughters. The book is short and it is an easy read.

3. Rebel Private--Bill Fletcher. This book is a primary source memoir of the war as experienced by a Rebel private from Texas. He talks about why he joined the CSA, why he left home, and he offers some unique perspectives on the political causes of the war. This book is a must for anyone reading about the CW. It is told in story book fashion and uncovers exactly what the "elephant" was like for one Texas private.

4. Battle Cry of Freedom--J. McPherson. This epic length book examines the prelude to war, starting as early as 1808 when the slave trade was abolished in this country. It continues until the surrender at Appomatox. It leaves no stone unturned and is the most conclusive work on the CW to my knowledge. Juxtapose this book and its scholarly findings with Shelby Foote's fiction.

5. After Secession: Jeff Davis and the Failure of Confederate Nationalism--Paul Escott. Another short read that explores why the South did not suceed in their secession movement. Escott critically examines Jeff Davis and his policies, and the reasons Davis' policies were a failure. Escott also examines the dis-unity of the secession movement. Did you know that most Southern states did not turn the issue of secession over to the voters of their states? Most southern politicrats circa 1861 merely seceded without popular support. States most affected by Unionists were, of course, Missouri, Arkansas, East Tennessee, North Carolina, and the western counties of Virginia. Did you now that some counties in the Confederacy organized their own militias in order to repel Confederate authorities from coming into their counties. The book does much to dispel the theory that the South was united from 1860-1865, and it dispels the myth that the war was 'between the states'. No, actually it was a civil war in all sense of the term.

This should keep you busy for now. I expect a full report on these title by this time next week, so you better get crackin', cracka!

email me at buckethead22000@yahoo.com if you want a more extensive reading list.

Okay, Klutz, you and I have read all those too. But the guy wanted something more general, and those books really aren't, though certainly they are well worth reading.

Shelby Foote is NOT -- I said not -- a fiction writer.

EricBlairReb Wrote:

joebordenrebel Wrote:And what a cowinkidink. . .guess who's reading this post at the same time as yours truly. . .

Hey, Di[ld]o! Man, you really are obsessed with us, aren't you? Weren't you the one yelling about how happy you were on the old board because you had run us off?

So now that you've succeeded, go back and play with yourself, geek breath. :wave:

Based on your 2 posts in this thread(and others that I've read) one might conclude that you are obsessed with Dio, just as he is obsessed with this board.

Yeah, I'm obsessed with the guy. I follow him around to every board where he posts, disparage any comment he makes and come up with reams of alternate realities to support my obsession.

You got me, EBR. I'm a real loser. :stupid:

Sorry, folks, but this movie sucked as bad as Dio said it did. Wow, I couldn't even finish it. At least "Gone With the Wind" was entertaining in parts!

Somebody answer me this: Why won't film people make a movie about the western theater of the war (i.e., the part of the war that actually mattered)?