(11-29-2016 10:28 PM)NorthTexan95 Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 10:00 PM)Cerebus Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 08:41 PM)El Runner Wrote:  Actual football history:

North Texas football since 1913 has a .502 winning percentage. That's 103 years of suck.

UTSA has a .467 winning percentage. Why would you trash talk us on that stat?

North Texas has played football for 103 years. We have a lot of to be proud of, 25 conference championships, 8 bowl games, several AFL/NFL draft picks.

One of those draft picks, Abner Hayes, was the first black player to play college football in the state of Texas. He integrated football in Texas 9 years before Jerry Levias played in the Southwest Conference. In Abner Haynes senior year, North Texas State was ranked #19 in the AP poll.

You should concentrate on helping your program build its own history, instead of trash talking conference mates.

A .502 winning percentage is really solid and really impressive considering the horrible teams we've had for most of the past 20 years. Abner Haynes, Joe Greene, 25 conference championships ... there's a lot of history with UNT football and a lot to be proud of. It's even more impressive considering the lack of support from our administration for most of our history.

I don't knock UTSA for their lack of football history since they've just haven't been around very long. It would be kinda exciting to be part of a brand new program making history every year. I do get tired of UTSA fans knocking our history but that's more of a reflection of their lack of knowledge.

North Texas rightfully should be proud of their rich history. Best of luck in your bowl. If it's the HoD then props. If it's the Zona bowl at least its a bowl.

(11-29-2016 09:31 PM)SApuro Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 09:17 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 08:50 PM)SApuro Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 08:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 08:14 PM)SApuro Wrote:  Signature bet that UTSA out draws UNT...regardless of what bowl is drawn.

With all the horse trading that goes on within the bowl system, UTSA could end up anywhere, like the Idaho Potato Bowl. I'll pass on the bet, but I will let you know that we are still being considered for the Heart of Dallas Bowl and Armed Forces Bowl. If we land in either of those bowls, UTSA has no chance of out drawing us. I think UTSA is probably going to the New Mexico Bowl. I know you guys are hoping to land somewhere closer, or flashier, but that probably won't be the case.

Zero chance UTSA goes to the Idaho Bowl. Outside chance UNT lands AF but zero chance they go to HoD. CUSA isn't sending our worst record team to our most lucrative bowl.

My guess is UTSA or NM, Tech to HoD, and UNT to Arizona.

You could be wrong. C-USA could send North Texas to the HOD, if it means the C-USA champ goes to the Las Vegas bowl in our place. The Vegas Bowl pays great too, and the conference pools all the bowl money anyway. If swapped the Vegas Bowl would feature the C-USA champ against the MWC champ on ABC. So yeah, C-USA could place North Texas into the HOD.

Remember, I posted a while back that the HOD sent representatives to our game with Southern Miss. A source I trust has indicated that even after losing horribly to UTEP and finishing 5-7, the HOD is still very interested in getting us for their bowl. Even our AD has been quoted saying the HOD is still a possibility.

Fill-ins don't get the same payout as contracted slots. You know conference champ choose their bowl. Would WKU take Vegas over Boca? Possibly. Would Tech take Vegas over HoD? Probably. If that's the case what prevents UTSA from getting the nod? Better record, better attendance, and won the head-to-head.

NT will pick 78th (USA and UL most likely win). Do you think the one Vegas slot will be available?

I can't see a scenario how the NT goes to HoD. AF long shot.

Best case for NT - AF
Worst case - Arizona

UTSA best - HoD
Worst - NM

Your record, and such don't mean as much to the HOD as you hope. They know North Texas will drop a least 30K into their seats. Remember, only the C-USA Champ gets preference in selecting their bowl. The loser of the championship game gets placed just like the other teams, and it appears C-USA and ESPN place teams based on how many fans they can draw to a bowl. That is why a 9-3 ODU team is headed to the Bahamas to face Eastern Michigan, and a 6-6 Southern Miss team is probably going to the New Orleans Bowl. Not saying it is fair, just saying that's how it seems to work. No other team in C-USA can fill the seats of the Cotton Bowl like North Texas.

Sure, we could end up in the Armed Forces Bowl, but remember it isn't contracted to C-USA this season. It would have to be negotiated and swapped for something else. Just like the Vegas Bowl would have to be part of a swap.

Right now the Sun Belt only has 4 eligible teams. Even if one of ULL or USA wins this week, they are still obligated to fill their final bowl slot (The Arizona Internet Bowl). If both win, they still have no tie to the Vegas Bowl.

It is simple. The BIG12 and PAC12 can't fill their bowl slots. Some bowls will get swapped around. The MWC Champ won't play a PAC team in the Vegas Bowl, so they will try to fill it with the highest profile match-up they can wrangle. The BIG10 and SEC appear to be filling their bowl slots. The MAC Champ will probably be in a New Year's Day BCS game. A C-USA Champ versus the MWC Champ in the Las Vegas Bowl makes the most sense. That match-up might very well place North Texas into the HOD.

(11-29-2016 10:28 PM)NorthTexan95 Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 10:00 PM)Cerebus Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 08:41 PM)El Runner Wrote:  Actual football history:

North Texas football since 1913 has a .502 winning percentage. That's 103 years of suck.

UTSA has a .467 winning percentage. Why would you trash talk us on that stat?

North Texas has played football for 103 years. We have a lot of to be proud of, 25 conference championships, 8 bowl games, several AFL/NFL draft picks.

One of those draft picks, Abner Hayes, was the first black player to play college football in the state of Texas. He integrated football in Texas 9 years before Jerry Levias played in the Southwest Conference. In Abner Haynes senior year, North Texas State was ranked #19 in the AP poll.

You should concentrate on helping your program build its own history, instead of trash talking conference mates.

A .502 winning percentage is really solid and really impressive considering the horrible teams we've had for most of the past 20 years. Abner Haynes, Joe Greene, 25 conference championships ... there's a lot of history with UNT football and a lot to be proud of. It's even more impressive considering the lack of support from our administration for most of our history.

I don't knock UTSA for their lack of football history since they've just haven't been around very long. It would be kinda exciting to be part of a brand new program making history every year. I do get tired of UTSA fans knocking our history but that's more of a reflection of their lack of knowledge.

Wow UNT posters start talking about their rich football history then we respond and suddenly we have no knowledge? 8 bowls in 103 years is really great I guess. We have one in 6 years. Your arch rival has 15 bowls. UH has 24. So I may not have much learnin comin frum a back cuntry skool but I figger 8 bowls in 103 years ain't exactly sumthin to brag about.

Curious to know what UNT's recent history looks like. Maybe like the last 25 years or 50 years. I'm betting its probably not "rich". Most likely why a 6 year old program with no history joined CUSA the same year you did.

If history helped schools win games, unt wouldn't be 1-3 against UTSA. Just saying...


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(11-29-2016 01:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-06-2016 04:46 PM)correcamino Wrote:  Looks like ODU fans are getting the cocky bug now that they're good.

Let's not ever be that obnoxious, UTSA fans.

http://www.csnbbs.com/thread-797229-post...id13756845


6 wins was all it took apparently

It's more of a dislike for UNT than anything else.

(11-29-2016 11:22 PM)El Runner Wrote:  8 bowls in 103 years is really great I guess. We have one in 6 years.

Also 25 conference championships in those 103 years, how many have you pulled down in six?

You have to remember there were far fewer bowls back in the day.

(11-29-2016 11:38 PM)correcamino Wrote:  Curious to know what UNT's recent history looks like.

We returned to FBS/1A in 1995. In those 22 years we've pulled down 6 bowl games (1 every 3.7 years, compared to UTSA's 1 every 6) and 4 conference championships (1 every 5.5 years compared to... you'll get there one day.)


Seriously guys, not sure what is making you so salty. Build your program and don't worry about anyone else.

(11-29-2016 11:52 PM)Cerebus Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 11:22 PM)El Runner Wrote:  8 bowls in 103 years is really great I guess. We have one in 6 years.

Also 25 conference championships in those 103 years, how many have you pulled down in six?

You have to remember there were far fewer bowls back in the day.

(11-29-2016 11:38 PM)correcamino Wrote:  Curious to know what UNT's recent history looks like.

We returned to FBS/1A in 1995. In those 22 years we've pulled down 6 bowl games (1 every 3.7 years, compared to UTSA's 1 every 6) and 4 conference championships (1 every 5.5 years compared to... you'll get there one day.)


Seriously guys, not sure what is making you so salty. Build your program and don't worry about anyone else.

1 Bowl in 3 years, UTSA wasn't full pledge FBS until the 2014 season .


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(11-29-2016 11:47 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  If history helped schools win games, unt wouldn't be 1-3 against UTSA. Just saying...

You guys sure crow about a minuscule 4 game series. A series in which you:

• Won by 8
• Won by 7
• Lost by 7
• Won by 14
  

I mean I guess it's nice to be your super bowl, but we've played Pacific more than we've played you. Hell we've beaten Texas Tech more than we've played you.

It's fine, I know this is all new to you. You'll find your rival, probably UTEP. Keep growing your own program.

(11-29-2016 11:57 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1 Bowl in 3 years, UTSA wasn't full pledge FBS until the 2014 season .

How do you compare the decades North Texas played when there was only about 15 bowls? Or when the school shut down the football program for World War II? Which happened about 25 years before UTSA existed?

(11-30-2016 12:00 AM)Cerebus Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 11:47 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  If history helped schools win games, unt wouldn't be 1-3 against UTSA. Just saying...

You guys sure crow about a minuscule 4 game series. A series in which you:

• Won by 8
• Won by 7
• Lost by 7
• Won by 14
  

I mean I guess it's nice to be your super bowl, but we've played Pacific more than we've played you. Hell we've beaten Texas Tech more than we've played you.

It's fine, I know this is all new to you. You'll find your rival, probably UTEP. Keep growing your own program.

You are right, we should look for a team that can actually beat us year in and year out, not some school that we already passed by. We should look ahead, not what's in our rear view mirror.


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(11-29-2016 11:52 PM)Cerebus Wrote:  We returned to FBS/1A in 1995. In those 22 years we've pulled down 6 bowl games (1 every 3.7 years, compared to UTSA's 1 every 6) and 4 conference championships (1 every 5.5 years compared to... you'll get there one day.)


Seriously guys, not sure what is making you so salty. Build your program and don't worry about anyone else.

You're a whopping 89-171 (.342 winning pct) since '95. Including two 1-win seasons, five 2-win seasons, and four 3-win seasons. You had a good little three year run in the early 2000s in the Sunbelt, outside of that you've consistently been the poster child for terrible FBS programs.

It's not hard to look things up. Quit trying to paint your program out as more than mediocre because it's really not hard to prove otherwise.

There's not enough money in the world to motivate me to want to play Navy in a bowl game again. The whole experience was a sham. Our coaching staff and team were treated like second class citizens the whole week. Total setup and Navy's players were spitting on our players and were taking cheap shots all game long. A couple of our players were candid about it. Blunt retaliated and got caught on camera doing it.

Screw Navy. Playing in the Armed Forces bowl against them is a total no win. You're the villain no matter what. They have to cut block and swipe knees just to win games. Good luck to whoever has to go to play in that crapshow.

(11-30-2016 12:03 AM)Cerebus Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 11:57 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1 Bowl in 3 years, UTSA wasn't full pledge FBS until the 2014 season .

How do you compare the decades North Texas played when there was only about 15 bowls? Or when the school shut down the football program for World War II? Which happened about 25 years before UTSA existed?

You don't, that's comparing apples to oranges, but anytime y'all unt-ers want to talk down to UTSA, y'all always pull out your history, which is not impressive at all. How about we compare the years that we have been in CUSA?


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(11-30-2016 12:00 AM)Cerebus Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 11:47 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  If history helped schools win games, unt wouldn't be 1-3 against UTSA. Just saying...

You guys sure crow about a minuscule 4 game series. A series in which you:

• Won by 8
• Won by 7
• Lost by 7
• Won by 14
  

I mean I guess it's nice to be your super bowl, but we've played Pacific more than we've played you. Hell we've beaten Texas Tech more than we've played you.

It's fine, I know this is all new to you. You'll find your rival, probably UTEP. Keep growing your own program.

Speaking of rivalries. I chuckled when I saw us listed as rivals on your wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Texa...n_football

Man so much salt from UTSA whenever anyone talks about North Texas. Again, it's nice to be your super bowl, it's just that we don't care that much about you.

Grow your program.

Each of us have positives we should focus on and not worry about each other.

For example:

North Texas built a beautiful $70+ million stadium:


UTSA sublet from the San Antonio Riders:


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North Texas has won 25 conference championships, including 4 since our return to 1A:


UTSA has some pretty decent club sports, or so I hear:


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North Texas chose for it's mascot the majestic symbol of the American people:


UTSA chose one of the fastest ground based cuckoos in the American Southwest:


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North Texas was the first Texas school to integrate college football:


UTSA was the first Texas school to integrate the Colonel's 11 herbs and spices:




As you can see there is a lot for each school to be proud of, no need to trash each other.

(11-30-2016 12:05 AM)correcamino Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 11:52 PM)Cerebus Wrote:  We returned to FBS/1A in 1995. In those 22 years we've pulled down 6 bowl games (1 every 3.7 years, compared to UTSA's 1 every 6) and 4 conference championships (1 every 5.5 years compared to... you'll get there one day.)


Seriously guys, not sure what is making you so salty. Build your program and don't worry about anyone else.

You're a whopping 89-171 (.342 winning pct) since '95. Including two 1-win seasons, five 2-win seasons, and four 3-win seasons. You had a good little three year run in the early 2000s in the Sunbelt, outside of that you've consistently been the poster child for terrible FBS programs.

It's not hard to look things up. Quit trying to paint your program out as more than mediocre because it's really not hard to prove otherwise.

Yep. Dark times indeed ... really since shortly after Hayden Fry left. It's been truly awful during the reign of our last AD, Rick Villreal. In spite of all that we're still above .500.

You guys go on and on about betting us 3 out of four times and rightfully so. We go one about our history which has a lot of accomplishments, and rightfully so.

Are y'all going to keep up with the trash talking all year? I may be biased but I see most of it coming from the UTSA side. Honestly, for most UNT fans the most we talk about UTSA is during that game week. We obsess much more over SMU, uniforms, and flying banners than we do about UTSA.

Cerebus, thoughts on your "rich" .342 win pct since '95?

(11-30-2016 12:36 AM)Cerebus Wrote:  Man so much salt from UTSA whenever anyone talks about North Texas. Again, it's nice to be your super bowl, it's just that we don't care that much about you.

Grow your program.

Each of us have positives we should focus on and not worry about each other.

For example:

North Texas built a beautiful $70+ million stadium:


UTSA sublet from the San Antonio Riders:

Don't knock the San Antonio Roughriders. They were one of my favorite USFL teams. Roughriders was an awesome mascot for a San Antonio team.

(11-30-2016 12:41 AM)NorthTexan95 Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:05 AM)correcamino Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 11:52 PM)Cerebus Wrote:  We returned to FBS/1A in 1995. In those 22 years we've pulled down 6 bowl games (1 every 3.7 years, compared to UTSA's 1 every 6) and 4 conference championships (1 every 5.5 years compared to... you'll get there one day.)


Seriously guys, not sure what is making you so salty. Build your program and don't worry about anyone else.

You're a whopping 89-171 (.342 winning pct) since '95. Including two 1-win seasons, five 2-win seasons, and four 3-win seasons. You had a good little three year run in the early 2000s in the Sunbelt, outside of that you've consistently been the poster child for terrible FBS programs.

It's not hard to look things up. Quit trying to paint your program out as more than mediocre because it's really not hard to prove otherwise.

Yep. Dark times indeed ... really since shortly after Hayden Fry left. It's been truly awful during the reign of our last AD, Rick Villreal. In spite of all that we're still above .500.

You guys go on and on about betting us 3 out of four times and rightfully so. We go one about our history which has a lot of accomplishments, and rightfully so.

Are y'all going to keep up with the trash talking all year? I may be biased but I see most of it coming from the UTSA side. Honestly, for most UNT fans the most we talk about UTSA is during that game week. We obsess much more over SMU, uniforms, and flying banners than we do about UTSA.

Dark times? That's what I'd call what USM went through with Ellis Johnson.

What UNT has gone through since returning to FBS is so prolonged that it's pretty much your reality. Poor results. Poor recruiting. Poor fan support. I know it's hard to accept the reality of it, but you're just a bad program.