"Where would you have gone? Nowhere UNTIL the BE opened up - and you would have gone there ECU or no ECU in C-USA."

"Tell Goin nice job putting together an athletic program that has enjoyed 60% fewer all sports NCAA appearances than lil ole Tulane."

We are going where we wanted to go - to the Big East conference. It is a perfect fit for UC and the Big East. And I agree I don't think ECU or any other team in CUSA had anything to do with it.

In the first place, Bob Goin has only been at Cincinnati since 1997. And in that time, he has overseen the following:

Goin's vision has created Varsity Village, a comprehensive $80.3 million enhancement of all of the university's athletic facilities to include a new athletics center, baseball stadium, soccer/track complex, natatorium, offices, hall of fame, student recreation center. Construction began in 2002-03 with completion expected in 2005.

Varsity Village is the crown jewel on a list of accomplishments witnessed during Goin's five-year tenure as Cincinnati's athletics director. Among them:

* installation of new grass-like artificial surfaces in Nippert Stadium and the Meyers Track/Soccer Complex.
* enhancement of Nippert Stadium with the conversion of approximately 9,000 bench seats into individual seating.
* new video boards for Nippert Stadium and the Shoemaker Center.
* increased academic support for current student-athletes and launched a program to help recent student-athletes complete their degrees.
* implemented a gender equity plan which upped all women's sports to full scholarship levels and added rowing for women.
* balanced the athletic department's budget through more stringent fiscal management and the development of new streams of revenue.
* inaugurated community outreach programs.
* Highly instrumental in gaining UC an invitation to join the Big East Conference.

why would they want to play games they prob would lose.. better off going out of conf against sunbelt boys.. :rofl:

DrBox Wrote:Where would you have gone? Nowhere UNTIL the BE opened up - and you would have gone there ECU or no ECU in C-USA.

UC has been positioning itself for a position in the Big East for years. Once the dominos started to fall, UC was right there to step up. There is a reason why so many BE opponents have been on UCs football schedule in recent years (WVU, Syracuse, UConn). There is a reason why UC has upgraded all its athletic complexes.

Bob Goin knows how to build a whole athletic program, just look at WVU, Florida State (he was instrumental in getting them in the ACC), and now UC. Other schools apparently don't like him, but at the same time, look where he has taken UC in 8 years (6 years at the point that UC gained entry into the Big East). Other schools didn't have the vision to take their university to the next step, but Goin did. I, for one, think he will be looked at as the greatest AD ever at UC. Nobody else has accomplished so much while at UC. When he steps down next year, it will be a sad day for UC fans.

goodknightfl Wrote:why would they want to play games they prob would lose.. better off going out of conf against sunbelt boys.. :rofl:

analogy time!!

UCF fans talking trash about UC football is as....

Houston fans talking trash about UC basketball

notice I knocked your team... I didnt brag on ours.

goodknightfl Wrote:notice I knocked your team... I didnt brag on ours.

I think his point is that no UCF fan should ever talk sh!t about another football program. You guys going to win a game this year? Or are you going to continue on your longest losing streak in college football? That is something to be proud of. I forgot, your coach also is a liar and got fired from his previous employer for it, that is another thing to be proud of your program. :laugh: :laugh:

Like I said, you guys have no room to ever talk sh!t about another football program, whether you compare it to your own or not.

OK, but I still do not get it. You say 'forced', 'have to' play CUSA teams? If UC would play Marshall we would bring 8 to 10k fans to Cinncinnati and that is more than any be or mac team. As much as wvu will bring. Why play Miami home and home?

bct4373 Wrote:OK, but I still do not get it. You say 'forced', 'have to' play CUSA teams? If UC would play Marshall we would bring 8 to 10k fans to Cinncinnati and that is more than any be or mac team. As much as wvu will bring. Why play Miami home and home?

Everyone needs to relax. This was a basketball radio show. It's held at a local rib place - the Montgomery Inn. It's a laid back atmosphere- this was not some press conference where the U.C. athletic director was making official comments about specific schools.

bct4373 Wrote:OK, but I still do not get it. You say 'forced', 'have to' play CUSA teams? If UC would play Marshall we would bring 8 to 10k fans to Cinncinnati and that is more than any be or mac team. As much as wvu will bring. Why play Miami home and home?

UC vs. Miami is the oldest rivalry west of the Appalachians, that is not going away any time soon. Both teams are within about an hours driving distance, and both teams sell out when they play each other.

I'd be happy to play Marshall every year, but that is not my call.

As far as playing C-USA teams, the issue is that none of the current C-USA teams have been a draw for UC fans (outside of UL). Most people believe it is because they aren't regional teams. WVU, Miami, OSU, UL, Purdue, Syracuse, Wisconsin, and Indiana have all been good draws to UC in recent years. Meanwhile, we struggle to get 22K for USM, Memphis, UAB, and Houston...

mlbUC Wrote:

DrBox Wrote:Where would you have gone?  Nowhere UNTIL the BE opened up - and you would have gone there ECU or no ECU in C-USA.

UC has been positioning itself for a position in the Big East for years. Once the dominos started to fall, UC was right there to step up. There is a reason why so many BE opponents have been on UCs football schedule in recent years (WVU, Syracuse, UConn). There is a reason why UC has upgraded all its athletic complexes.

Bob Goin knows how to build a whole athletic program, just look at WVU, Florida State (he was instrumental in getting them in the ACC), and now UC. Other schools apparently don't like him, but at the same time, look where he has taken UC in 8 years (6 years at the point that UC gained entry into the Big East). Other schools didn't have the vision to take their university to the next step, but Goin did. I, for one, think he will be looked at as the greatest AD ever at UC. Nobody else has accomplished so much while at UC. When he steps down next year, it will be a sad day for UC fans.

But it would never have happened had Miami et al not left.

Your football program is terrible - one of the worst in history. A minor bowl here and there -all during c-usa (a 50 year dry spell before c-usa) is the pinnacle of achievement.

As for your total athletic program, again, it's solid, 5th or 6th in c-usa.
.

If UC's overall athletic program was 5th or 6th in C-USA I can guarantee you they wouldn't have gotten the Big East invite.

mlbUC Wrote:If UC's overall athletic program was 5th or 6th in C-USA I can guarantee you they wouldn't have gotten the Big East invite.

Of course they would have - because they did and they are. What is cincy good in except men's basketball? Pretty much nothing. It was Cincy or ECU or Marshall - you got it because of baskets. Lou is the only program who earned it on its own merits. What great programs does USF have?


And I don't know what "it" is - it's not like that collection in the BE is anything special, other than basketball.
And now they've downgraded their academic credibility and sears cup sports by a large amount (that's where USF is pretty good - some sears cup). They hope that Cincy and USF football will cause no harm - historically, that's a wish and a prayer, but we'll see.

UL and UC hoops are on a different "level" than any other C-USA team outside of perhaps Memphis....that alone was the key ingredient for Big East inclusion. But, even though UC may not be that top-notch in other sports, don't forget to consider their facilities (and UL's as well). They are top drawer in football (major bucks have been spent to upgrade Nippert stadium), baseball (new stadium), and basketball (relatively new arena), plus they have a major spending program going on in terms of upgrading other sports facilities.

mlbUC Wrote:As far as playing C-USA teams, the issue is that none of the current C-USA teams have been a draw for UC fans (outside of UL). Most people believe it is because they aren't regional teams. WVU, Miami, OSU, UL, Purdue, Syracuse, Wisconsin, and Indiana have all been good draws to UC in recent years. Meanwhile, we struggle to get 22K for USM, Memphis, UAB, and Houston...

Which tells me that people aren't coming to see Cincy play but rather their competition. So Cincy football isn't even a draw in Cincinnati. Much like UAB Football isn't a draw in Birmingham.

Good fan bases follow their program regardless of who they're playing. I hope that one day UAB football gets to a point where people want to see us playing as well as the opponent.

exCincy Kid1 Wrote:UL and UC hoops are on a different "level" than any other C-USA team outside of perhaps Memphis....that alone was the key ingredient for Big East inclusion. But, even though UC may not be that top-notch in other sports, don't forget to consider their facilities (and UL's as well). They are top drawer in football (major bucks have been spent to upgrade Nippert stadium), baseball (new stadium), and basketball (relatively new arena), plus they have a major spending program going on in terms of upgrading other sports facilities.

I wouldn't necessarily put UC and UL in the same class either. And no offense to Memphis but what in the world has the Tigers done in basketball over the past 10 years??? You guys act as if Memphis has gone to a Final 4 or Elite 8 recently. And if they have please excuse my ignorance.

And if they haven't then why do some of you put Memphis basketball in this "elite" status? Is it because of potential? Please someone tell me. I know they have talented players and a great coach but some please show me the money!

UC basketball has IMO underacheived greatly with the talent they've had over the past 10 years. Yes they've won conference titles and made the tourney like oogles of times but at some point they should have won another title.

So excuse if I don't think UC basketball is light years ahead teams like Memphis, Marquette and DePaul. Better tradition and history; maybe and questionable at best!

MAN4UAB Wrote:His remarks seemed to a little arrogant to me. Their football team (which I thought was the rationale for realignment) never drew any interest when they played us. Outside of the basketball team, does anyone really care if Cincy leaves?

Trust me, we could care less if anyone misses us or not in C-USA. I'm not going to lose any sleep.

HiddenDragon Wrote:

exCincy Kid1 Wrote:UL and UC hoops are on a different "level" than any other C-USA team outside of perhaps Memphis....that alone was the key ingredient for Big East inclusion.  But, even though UC may not be that top-notch in other sports, don't forget to consider their facilities (and UL's as well).  They are top drawer in football (major bucks have been spent to upgrade Nippert stadium), baseball (new stadium), and basketball (relatively new arena), plus they have a major spending program going on in terms of upgrading other sports facilities.

I wouldn't necessarily put UC and UL in the same class either. And no offense to Memphis but what in the world has the Tigers done in basketball over the past 10 years??? You guys act as if Memphis has gone to a Final 4 or Elite 8 recently. And if they have please excuse my ignorance.

And if they haven't then why do some of you put Memphis basketball in this "elite" status? Is it because of potential? Please someone tell me. I know they have talented players and a great coach but some please show me the money!

UC basketball has IMO underacheived greatly with the talent they've had over the past 10 years. Yes they've won conference titles and made the tourney like oogles of times but at some point they should have won another title.

So excuse if I don't think UC basketball is light years ahead teams like Memphis, Marquette and DePaul. Better tradition and history; maybe and questionable at best!

Bottomline, underachieving or not UC has been to 13 straight NCAA Tournaments, just because Louisville made a Final Four this year doesn't mean UC isn't on their level. Louisville had a great year. UC has done what no other C-USA team could do, make the NCAAs every year they were in the conference, and won FAR more C-USA regular season titles then anyone in the conference and more conference tournament titles then anyone in C-USA, so you can forget trying to minimize UC's value because it's not going to cut it. Every year UC made the 2nd round of the tournament that's 300,000+ dollars made. So saying that UC not going deep in the NCAAs every year means they didn't have great value or put them on another level in the conference is ridiculous. UC gave this conference the majority of it's consistent national attention mainly because UC was a national name and consider a national power EVERY YEAR. You'll find out just how big UC was starting next year.